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by Sundiata » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:36 pm
by Grenartia » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:49 pm
by Sundiata » Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:19 pm
by Khasinkonia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:11 am
Grenartia wrote:Title has been updated. Unsure what to put as the next poll, so I'm leaving it blank until I get an idea or someone suggests a good one. A plurality of people seem to think I should do the next thread, so I will, but if a thread regular wants to throw their hat in the ring, I'll make that the poll.
by Ifreann » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:50 am
The New California Republic wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If there’s no medical condition, sure. But when it comes to the diagnosis of gender non-conformity in minors, more often than not, doctors tend to prescribe blockers because they deem the psychological treatment to be more beneficial than the possible side effects or no treatment at all.
Yes. It's a very common thing that trans people mention: that the most psychologically damaging aspect of the process is the significant delay between wanting to begin the process and actually being able to, the delay either caused by a lack of provision for trans-related needs in the local healthcare provider, or regulations that push the date back so far that the person has more or less completed puberty by the time the process begins, which then can entail physically traumatic surgery that the puberty blockers would have partially or near completely eliminated the need for. The ruling says that it's to protect children, but all that it is going to do is put them at more risk of psychological damage.
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:52 am
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:15 am
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Shout out to based Elliot Page for coming out and using his platform to address serious issues.
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:20 am
by Ifreann » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am
by Nea Chora » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:41 am
Ifreann wrote:Can't let people make irreversible and life-changing decisions like going through puberty, even if they have the full support of their parents and physicians. People will either have to wait until they're 16 to undergo puberty, or in extreme cases receive a court-ordered exemption.Auzkhia wrote:Hotter take put everyone on puberty blockers unless they can confirm that they are genuinely cisgender.
by Auzkhia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:16 am
by Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:17 am
by Ifreann » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:36 am
Nea Chora wrote:Ifreann wrote:Can't let people make irreversible and life-changing decisions like going through puberty, even if they have the full support of their parents and physicians. People will either have to wait until they're 16 to undergo puberty, or in extreme cases receive a court-ordered exemption.
based ifreann preventing teens from ruining lives by going through puberty?
by Hediacrana » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:39 am
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:41 am
by Fahran » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Ifreann wrote:Smacks a bit of telling a pregnant teenager about available supports for minor parents. A solution exists if people were just allowed to use it.
by Hediacrana » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:42 pm
Vassenor wrote:I mean I guess I do feel a little bit sad that I've got to wait a little while longer to go start medical, but at the same time I don't want to burn myself out trying to get everything I need to do done extremely quickly.
by Ifreann » Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:22 am
Fahran wrote:Ifreann wrote:Smacks a bit of telling a pregnant teenager about available supports for minor parents. A solution exists if people were just allowed to use it.
In the absence of parental consent or approval from a physician/psychologist, both of which I believe should be readily available by law depending on the circumstances, I acknowledge that the treatment would be less effective. The issue is that unemancipated minors who don't have symptoms of dysphoria and/or the approval of a physician should not be taking or have access to drugs of that sort. Which is the law as written in the UK being applied consistently.
And, no, it's not at all like telling a pregnant teenager she's going to carry to term. Trans patients who weren't above the threshhold or never got to consult with a physician as minors would still transition if they so desired. They would just have to do in adulthood, which, as I acknowledged, probably isn't as effective.
But I think I still prefer that to dealing with massive levels of desistance and potential bone issues,
not to mention the ethical dilemma that comes with simply giving children drugs they want without parents or physician/psychologists involved at all.
I want dysphoria treated as a medical condition. And potentially have all treatment options covered completely under the NHS. That requires us treating these as medically necessary procedures rather than elective procedures.
by Suriyanakhon » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:42 am
by Sundiata » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:46 am
Suriyanakhon wrote:
My favorite take from the comment section is that letting youth transition caused the downfall of the Roman Empire.
by Neanderthaland » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:49 am
Suriyanakhon wrote:
My favorite take from the comment section is that letting youth transition caused the downfall of the Roman Empire.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:08 am
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:32 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:People will possibly be aware from previous conversations that I have my scepticism on whether the entire very rapid rise in youngsters declaring themselves transgender is the result of people "discovering the truth" due to better information rather than struggling to fit in and feeling out of place and thinking "oh it must be that".
I have some concern that people with other latent issues are being "funnelled" by the zeitgeist and rush to tell kids about this and the constant presence of this in the news. This is not "trending", I'm sure the people going through the assessment process believe that they're transgender - they just now have all their previous difficulties they would have done plus worries about gender they perhaps previously would not have had. This additive effect would begin to explain at least part of the suicide rate, some will of course be social attitudes but other discriminated groups of young people don't kill themselves at this rate so something else is likely going on.
That said, even from this position I find the stopping of blockers to be inhumane. If we've overadjusted in education and culturally, the problem is there. You have kids anxious and obsessed on how their body is going to change in a way they don't currently want. If you don't let them press pause you're going to make them much unhappier and surely produce much worse outcomes.
I'm aware that the argument is the impact of blockers in the long run is unknown and that those who start blockers almost always end up transitioning, some openly regret it, and others kill themselves, but it does not logically follow that stopping something that helps to mitigate the discomfort will somehow improve these statistics and lead to less ill health than the additional stress it causes.
I cannot see the logic of the position.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:45 pm
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by Pasong Tirad » Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:33 pm
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