TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Mettaton-EX]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

[Cekoviu]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

[Imperial Joseon]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

How's that a system?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

How's that a system?

Not sure about DID, but trying to talk alters in people with BPD is not easy.

[Mettaton-EX]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

case in point

[Fahran]

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

case in point

The term "system" occurs pretty frequently in the plural community from what I surmised after a ten minute Google search. I imagine its used to not invalidate the multiple persons belonging to the system, correct?

[Mettaton-EX]

case in point

The term "system" occurs pretty frequently in the plural community from what I surmised after a ten minute Google search. I imagine its used to not invalidate the multiple persons belonging to the system, correct?

pretty much

[Proctopeo]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Depending on how strictly you define "talk", I'm pretty sure I've talked with a few, and I've seen many more.

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

They call it a "system" because these types tend to either have or be orbiters. :^)

[Grenartia]

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

I mean that doesn't really sound like a gender identity then. Even if personalities can be different genders, they're all part of one person. Having multiple true gender identities sounds like it would be stressful to manage.

Nobody said being plural was a gender identity. And with plural people, based on what they've told me, its not as stressful to manage as you might think, and many who aren't open about being plural just say they're genderfluid (which isn't at all to imply that all genderfluid people are secretly plural, and I cannot stress that enough).

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

Isn't that common in most people? I mean, both men and women have hormones of both genders, thus they act in a way both genders do.

The amount of T in women and E in men isn't significant enough to affect how either acts, and that's if we assume that hormones can dictate how someone acts (influence, perhaps, but conscious control is still a thing people are capable of exercising). However, that has nothing to do with being plural.

There's also the issue that DID is a pretty serious mental disorder that oftentimes results from severe trauma. Turning it into a trendy pronoun could harm people who actually have DID, and could make people think they're also just being trendy.

its also important to note that not all plural people have DID.

Isn't that common in most people? I mean, both men and women have hormones of both genders, thus they act in a way both genders do.

DID results when a person has to create another personality to handle certain situations, people, or consequences. It's not like simply behaving one way online and one way offline, it's when a person has to create a whole new other person in their heads, in order to function in their everyday life. It's not super common, and it's not super well-understood, but it exists.

In the plural community, DID systems are often called traumagenic systems, while non-DID systems are known as endogenic systems.

Hard to understand, but that could be quite frustrating for some people.

It's rather fascinating, I watched a video of this couple in which both partners have it, and while it was rather confusing, it was enlightening on how some people live with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONcWhh-S0uo

I love this channel, btw, and the guy who runs the channel is very sweet, considerate, and thoughtful toward the people he speaks to. This is a good channel to help expose people to individuals living everyday lives with a variety of conditions, such as DID. Not really related to this thread, but since it came up, I had to mention this specific channel.

Neat video, thanks.

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Indeed.

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

Elaborate.

[Imperial Joseon]

The amount of T in women and E in men isn't significant enough to affect how either acts, and that's if we assume that hormones can dictate how someone acts (influence, perhaps, but conscious control is still a thing people are capable of exercising). However, that has nothing to do with being plural.

Well, I'm fairly new to knowing about transgender people, so forgive me, as I am researching more into it.

[Grenartia]

The amount of T in women and E in men isn't significant enough to affect how either acts, and that's if we assume that hormones can dictate how someone acts (influence, perhaps, but conscious control is still a thing people are capable of exercising). However, that has nothing to do with being plural.

Well, I'm fairly new to knowing about transgender people, so forgive me, as I am researching more into it.

Trust me, I wasn't angry or anything.

[Imperial Joseon]

Well, I'm fairly new to knowing about transgender people, so forgive me, as I am researching more into it.

Trust me, I wasn't angry or anything.

Oh, I thought you were. Perhaps, I'm mistaken.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

lot of people in this thread have clearly never talked to a plural system

Depending on how strictly you define "talk", I'm pretty sure I've talked with a few, and I've seen many more.

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

They call it a "system" because these types tend to either have or be orbiters. :^)

I thought it was really alter but eh.

I’ve come across these too in people who participate in the Little community. I can’t say I understand the whole “brat/prey/predator” talk when they talk about their Little personas though.

[Ayytaly]

HOT TAKE: If I funded for a sports/athletic competition that was exclusively for trans, would you support it or protest it and prefer competing with cisgen folk?

[Proctopeo]

Depending on how strictly you define "talk", I'm pretty sure I've talked with a few, and I've seen many more.


They call it a "system" because these types tend to either have or be orbiters. :^)

I thought it was really alter but eh.

I think "alter" is a term used (though not always) for the individual personalities themselves.

I’ve come across these too in people who participate in the Little community. I can’t say I understand the whole “brat/prey/predator” talk when they talk about their Little personas though.

Somehow I both understand what you're saying completely and am entirely confused

[Grenartia]

Depending on how strictly you define "talk", I'm pretty sure I've talked with a few, and I've seen many more.


They call it a "system" because these types tend to either have or be orbiters. :^)

I thought it was really alter but eh.

I’ve come across these too in people who participate in the Little community. I can’t say I understand the whole “brat/prey/predator” talk when they talk about their Little personas though.

I have no idea about anything in the Little community. Not even close to my cup of tea. I don't know what that has to do with Proct's "orbiters" comment, but to him I say it takes one to know one.

[Salus Maior]

HOT TAKE: If I funded for a sports/athletic competition that was exclusively for trans, would you support it or protest it and prefer competing with cisgen folk?

That wouldn't solve the problem with physical disparity.

A MtF person would demolish a FtM person just as much as they do with cis women.

Short of dividing the sporting leagues even further, there really isn't a fair solution to any of this. Physicality can't be handwaived like the concept of gender has been.

[Cekoviu]

Oh, for fuck's sake. "System"? Are you kidding?

Elaborate.

A human being is strictly a biological system, but that is not at all necessary or useful in common parlance when there already exists a perfectly good term. Furthermore, I'm not sure if encouraging plural personalities is the best choice for people with DID (a massive asterisk here, though, as I'm not familiar with the specifics of the disorder - if that actually is considered appropriate by the psychiatric community, disregard that point).

HOT TAKE: If I funded for a sports/athletic competition that was exclusively for trans, would you support it or protest it and prefer competing with cisgen folk?

Heavily depends on context and specifics.

[Cekoviu]

I thought it was really alter but eh.

I’ve come across these too in people who participate in the Little community. I can’t say I understand the whole “brat/prey/predator” talk when they talk about their Little personas though.

I have no idea about anything in the Little community. Not even close to my cup of tea. I don't know what that has to do with Proct's "orbiters" comment, but to him I say it takes one to know one.

Isn't that just a sexual fetish?

[Grenartia]

HOT TAKE: If I funded for a sports/athletic competition that was exclusively for trans, would you support it or protest it and prefer competing with cisgen folk?

That wouldn't solve the problem with physical disparity.

A MtF person would demolish a FtM person just as much as they do with cis women.

Which is to say, not at all. Trans women lose to cis women pretty often, and trans men wipe the floor with cis women. The issue is less about how much testosterone one has ever had flowing through their veins, and more about how much currently is. The reason T is considered a performance enhancer, as I understand it, is because it helps maintain more muscle mass than otherwise. Trans women often have less T in their system than even cis women, so they're actually at a disadvantage.

[Imperial Joseon]

HOT TAKE: If I funded for a sports/athletic competition that was exclusively for trans, would you support it or protest it and prefer competing with cisgen folk?

Personally, I wouldn't mind.

[Cekoviu]

That wouldn't solve the problem with physical disparity.

A MtF person would demolish a FtM person just as much as they do with cis women.

Which is to say, not at all. Trans women lose to cis women pretty often, and trans men wipe the floor with cis women. The issue is less about how much testosterone one has ever had flowing through their veins, and more about how much currently is. The reason T is considered a performance enhancer, as I understand it, is because it helps maintain more muscle mass than otherwise. Trans women often have less T in their system than even cis women, so they're actually at a disadvantage.

The unfortunate thing is that trans women who have legitimately worked very hard to win are questioned because of their transness even in places where they have no natural advantage against their cisgender competitors.

[Grenartia]

Elaborate.

A human being is strictly a biological system, but that is not at all necessary or useful in common parlance when there already exists a perfectly good term. Furthermore, I'm not sure if encouraging plural personalities is the best choice for people with DID (a massive asterisk here, though, as I'm not familiar with the specifics of the disorder - if that actually is considered appropriate by the psychiatric community, disregard that point).

I recommend watching the video Lumi linked. As for the terminology, its a useful way to talk about groups of personalities in one brain, one that shouldn't be abandoned if it allows us to better talk about the phenomenon.

I have no idea about anything in the Little community. Not even close to my cup of tea. I don't know what that has to do with Proct's "orbiters" comment, but to him I say it takes one to know one.

Isn't that just a sexual fetish?

I think so. Definitely not mine.

Which is to say, not at all. Trans women lose to cis women pretty often, and trans men wipe the floor with cis women. The issue is less about how much testosterone one has ever had flowing through their veins, and more about how much currently is. The reason T is considered a performance enhancer, as I understand it, is because it helps maintain more muscle mass than otherwise. Trans women often have less T in their system than even cis women, so they're actually at a disadvantage.

The unfortunate thing is that trans women who have legitimately worked very hard to win are questioned because of their transness even in places where they have no natural advantage against their cisgender competitors.

Indeed. They always like to talk about "bones", but bones alone don't do shit. Its the muscles that truly matter.

[Salus Maior]

That wouldn't solve the problem with physical disparity.

A MtF person would demolish a FtM person just as much as they do with cis women.

Which is to say, not at all. Trans women lose to cis women pretty often, and trans men wipe the floor with cis women. The issue is less about how much testosterone one has ever had flowing through their veins, and more about how much currently is. The reason T is considered a performance enhancer, as I understand it, is because it helps maintain more muscle mass than otherwise. Trans women often have less T in their system than even cis women, so they're actually at a disadvantage.

So then would solution be a mandatory measuring of testosterone in the body in order to compete in mens/women's categories?

That seems messy.

[Proctopeo]

I thought it was really alter but eh.

I’ve come across these too in people who participate in the Little community. I can’t say I understand the whole “brat/prey/predator” talk when they talk about their Little personas though.

I have no idea about anything in the Little community. Not even close to my cup of tea. I don't know what that has to do with Proct's "orbiters" comment, but to him I say it takes one to know one.

I feel as if I struck a nerve. Whups.

I have no idea about anything in the Little community. Not even close to my cup of tea. I don't know what that has to do with Proct's "orbiters" comment, but to him I say it takes one to know one.

Isn't that just a sexual fetish?

I think so, yes.