TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Cekoviu]

And now you get to be even more annoying by taking on a smug enlightened moderate persona, while simultaneously bragging about no longer being an annoying stereotype. And now I get to mention that and feel superior about myself.
Each and every one of us, no matter how oppressed, is a pompous self-righteous dick underneath. Truly, these are beautiful times. :^]

When we realise these profound truths of our inner nature we shall become one, reabsorbed into the great cosmic phallus.

Hot.

Quite literally, I'm guessing.

[Dumb Ideologies]

When we realise these profound truths of our inner nature we shall become one, reabsorbed into the great cosmic phallus.

Hot.

Quite literally, I'm guessing.

That depends on whether you're a member of the Exothermic or Endothermic school of Phallunitarianism. It's a fascinating and fraught theological question over which many have fought with their lives, but this isn't the place for theology.

[Cekoviu]

Hot.

Quite literally, I'm guessing.

That depends on whether you're a member of the Exothermic or Endothermic school of Phallunitarianism. It's a fascinating and fraught theological question over which many have fought with their lives, but this isn't the place for theology.

Obviously exothermic. More importantly, how do I find Phallunitarianist churches near me?

[Ifreann]

That depends on whether you're a member of the Exothermic or Endothermic school of Phallunitarianism. It's a fascinating and fraught theological question over which many have fought with their lives, but this isn't the place for theology.

Obviously exothermic. More importantly, how do I find Phallunitarianist churches near me?

They tend to stand out. Except when its cold.

[Mettaton-EX]

I’ve personally never met anyone who used “it” as their preferred pronoun. I do remember someone, a while back in one of the incarnations of this thread using “it” to refer to themselves.

You think the prevalence is low, then.

I know Mettaton-EX allegedly preferred it/its, but I interpreted that as somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

not at all

[Cekoviu]

I know Mettaton-EX allegedly preferred it/its, but I interpreted that as somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

not at all

Okay, so that's one then.

[Mettaton-EX]

not at all

Okay, so that's one then.

i know a bunch of other people on twitter/tumblr who use it/its pronouns (i guess it's only natural that we'd gravitate towards each other) but the only person i've met irl has been an ex whom i initially met on twitter

[Grenartia]

Okay, so that's one then.

i know a bunch of other people on twitter/tumblr who use it/its pronouns (i guess it's only natural that we'd gravitate towards each other) but the only person i've met irl has been an ex whom i initially met on twitter

I've noticed a decent number of people on twitter with a preference for it, which is why I included it on the last pronoun survey.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is a very specific example. You're saying this is multiple people?

A few months back one of the largeish UK trans servers had a big fuss over these issues end of last year and it was a contributing factor to a community splitting.

One of the splits then tried to put in rules to ensure that moderation was representative of the various subsections of the community to avoid such biases. There was then another fuss about whether "alts" should be allowed to hold multiple moderation positions representing different sections of the community and when mods said no, some people then started arguing for an additional new split because EVEN MORE pluralphobia...

Trans online communities, they're a trip. My partner's on a lot of them and is quite an activisty type but she's increasingly joining me in the opinion that trans people are their own worst enemy and that one of the best argument against trans rights is watching trans groups inevitably explode or slide into the sewer.

I actually got banned from a trans communist server, partially for offending someone who was "plural."

Then a trans capitalist server I was on had a massive split as well, but it wasn't due to headmates BS it was due internal politics about some members being Socialists, and what to do about the Socialists, and the owner being paranoid the Socialists would start a coup, and then the owner was eventually forced out of ownership, and left the server to start her own server.

[Grenartia]

A few months back one of the largeish UK trans servers had a big fuss over these issues end of last year and it was a contributing factor to a community splitting.

One of the splits then tried to put in rules to ensure that moderation was representative of the various subsections of the community to avoid such biases. There was then another fuss about whether "alts" should be allowed to hold multiple moderation positions representing different sections of the community and when mods said no, some people then started arguing for an additional new split because EVEN MORE pluralphobia...

Trans online communities, they're a trip. My partner's on a lot of them and is quite an activisty type but she's increasingly joining me in the opinion that trans people are their own worst enemy and that one of the best argument against trans rights is watching trans groups inevitably explode or slide into the sewer.

I actually got banned from a trans communist server, partially for offending someone who was "plural."

Then a trans capitalist server I was on had a massive split as well, but it wasn't due to headmates BS it was due internal politics about some members being Socialists, and what to do about the Socialists, and the owner being paranoid the Socialists would start a coup, and then the owner was eventually forced out of ownership, and left the server to start her own server.

I mean, what did you even say?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I actually got banned from a trans communist server, partially for offending someone who was "plural."
I told xem that neopronouns seemed ridiculous to me. That was probably too impolite and I did walk back on it. It was also a general pattern from me of arguing against their left wing ideas and increasing antagonism between me and the rest of the group.
Then a trans capitalist server I was on had a massive split as well, but it wasn't due to headmates BS it was due internal politics about some members being Socialists, and what to do about the Socialists, and the owner being paranoid the Socialists would start a coup, and then the owner was eventually forced out of ownership, and left the server to start her own server.

I mean, what did you even say?

[Fahran]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

[Auzkhia]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and genderfluid identity.

It's not inherently, though most people I know with DID are trans/nb. Most headmates may be of a different gender than the "host"

[Grenartia]

I mean, what did you even say?

Ah. I see.

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and genderfluid identity.

It's not inherently, though most people I know with DID are trans/nb. Most headmates may be of a different gender than the "host"

More or less this, though its also important to note that not all plural people have DID. Source: I know a few plural people.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

In some cases, yes. In other cases, it's people trying to win the oppression Olympics by appropriating the language of another group without understanding, either because there's some part of themselves they want to explore without taking any responsibility for their oversharing by going "not me guv", or simply in an effort to be the most transgressive and edgy person in the room. In a similiar way to how people who don't have PTSD nabbed the whole vocabulary around "triggers" and devalued it in varying shades of innocence and victim-playing.

It's very observable how these "headmates" often have presence of mind to use the plural bot or whatever its called to change their identification on server and how I spotted a couple of them communicating perfectly normally as their main on other less bullshit-friendly servers at the same time.

As well as being annoying, fake and a goldmine for anti-trans memes, it's also a bit worrying because permanently putting off committing to any identity characteristic and just "playing" is likely to end up causing social dysfunction and mental illness since people often turn into the things they frequently enact even if they weren't "truly" that thing in the beginning.

It needs not to be recognised and normalised in the community both for the good of that community and of its members. Unfortunately that's very difficult in a community that at least pretends to be defined by radical openness. How do you close the door to unhealthy things when the culture doubts the existence of doors, walls, rooves and foundations?

It makes me very sad because the trans community was an important stepping point for me at a vulnerable time of my life and I'm not sure I'd come out the other end at least functionally sane if I'd emerged into such an environment as we have today.

[Imperial Joseon]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

Wait, plural as in both genders?

[Grenartia]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

Wait, plural as in both genders?

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

[Luminesa]

Wait, plural as in both genders?

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

I mean that doesn't really sound like a gender identity then. Even if personalities can be different genders, they're all part of one person. Having multiple true gender identities sounds like it would be stressful to manage.

[Imperial Joseon]

Wait, plural as in both genders?

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

Isn't that common in most people? I mean, both men and women have hormones of both genders, thus they act in a way both genders do.

[Luminesa]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

In some cases, yes. In other cases, it's people trying to win the oppression Olympics by appropriating the language of another group without understanding, either because there's some part of themselves they want to explore without taking any responsibility for their oversharing by going "not me guv", or simply in an effort to be the most transgressive and edgy person in the room. In a similiar way to how people who don't have PTSD nabbed the whole vocabulary around "triggers" and devalued it in varying shades of innocence and victim-playing.

It's very observable how these "headmates" often have presence of mind to use the plural bot or whatever its called to change their identification on server and how I spotted a couple of them communicating perfectly normally as their main on other less bullshit-friendly servers at the same time.

As well as being annoying, fake and a goldmine for anti-trans memes, it's also a bit worrying because permanently putting off committing to any identity characteristic and just "playing" is likely to end up causing social dysfunction and mental illness since people often turn into the things they frequently enact even if they weren't "truly" that thing in the beginning.

It needs not to be recognised and normalised in the community both for the good of that community and of its members. Unfortunately that's very difficult in a community that at least pretends to be defined by radical openness. How do you close the door to unhealthy things when the culture doubts the existence of doors, walls, rooves and foundations?

It makes me very sad because the trans community was an important stepping point for me at a vulnerable time of my life and I'm not sure I'd come out the other end at least functionally sane if I'd emerged into such an environment as we have today.

There's also the issue that DID is a pretty serious mental disorder that oftentimes results from severe trauma. Turning it into a trendy pronoun could harm people who actually have DID, and could make people think they're also just being trendy.

[Luminesa]

No. Plural as in more than one personality.

Isn't that common in most people? I mean, both men and women have hormones of both genders, thus they act in a way both genders do.

DID results when a person has to create another personality to handle certain situations, people, or consequences. It's not like simply behaving one way online and one way offline, it's when a person has to create a whole new other person in their heads, in order to function in their everyday life. It's not super common, and it's not super well-understood, but it exists.

[Imperial Joseon]

Isn't that common in most people? I mean, both men and women have hormones of both genders, thus they act in a way both genders do.

DID results when a person has to create another personality to handle certain situations, people, or consequences. It's not like simply behaving one way online and one way offline, it's when a person has to create a whole new other person in their heads, in order to function in their everyday life. It's not super common, and it's not super well-understood, but it exists.

Hard to understand, but that could be quite frustrating for some people.

[Luminesa]

DID results when a person has to create another personality to handle certain situations, people, or consequences. It's not like simply behaving one way online and one way offline, it's when a person has to create a whole new other person in their heads, in order to function in their everyday life. It's not super common, and it's not super well-understood, but it exists.

Hard to understand, but that could be quite frustrating for some people.

It's rather fascinating, I watched a video of this couple in which both partners have it, and while it was rather confusing, it was enlightening on how some people live with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONcWhh-S0uo

I love this channel, btw, and the guy who runs the channel is very sweet, considerate, and thoughtful toward the people he speaks to. This is a good channel to help expose people to individuals living everyday lives with a variety of conditions, such as DID. Not really related to this thread, but since it came up, I had to mention this specific channel.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

Interestingly enough I’ve read about this but in certain patients with BPD (borderline personality disorder).

[Proctopeo]

Is plural even a gender identity? It sounds more like a textbook example of Dissociative Identity Disorder contextualized through the lens of transgender and gender fluid identity.

It's usually people who have self-diagnosed themselves with DID. Given the broad range of overlapping symptoms with other things, the prevalence of malingering, and the general controversy surrounding if DID even exists, that is, you know, bullshit.

Maybe they actually have something, but that "something" is borderline, or schizophrenia. Maybe they're trying to look cool on the Internet. Maybe they just don't understand how different emotions work, either as an inherent property of themselves or because someone on the Internet deceived them.

More or less this, though its also important to note that not all plural people have DID. Source: I know a few plural people.

I think that overlaps more with otherkin/soulbonders and "tulpamancers".