TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Cekoviu]

Phalloplasty definitely isn't as effective or as mature a surgery as vaginoplasty. The latter often produces a vagina externally indistinguishable from that of a cis woman apart from the lack of self-lubrication, but phalloplasties vary quite a bit in results despite being much more expensive.

FTM bottom surgery requires a skin graft, making the surgery much more complex, though a vaginoplasty usually doesn't, it can happen, especially if one opts to keep the penis.

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

[Necroghastia]

FTM bottom surgery requires a skin graft, making the surgery much more complex, though a vaginoplasty usually doesn't, it can happen, especially if one opts to keep the penis.

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

I dunno about pointless... that sounds kinda ideal from my perspective.

[Cekoviu]

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

I dunno about pointless... that sounds kinda ideal from my perspective.

I mean, I guess nonbinary people might like it? It sounds horrible from the perspective of a woman, and women are probably the majority of people seeking vaginoplasties.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

I dunno about pointless... that sounds kinda ideal from my perspective.

How’s the process of a phalloplasty, for those who are trans men? I’m curious.

[Luminesa]

But some people do say they're born into the wrong body, and what then? The difficulty of understanding this condition is that it seems there's a spectrum of symptoms that come with being transgender, and even if you don't feel you have to justify it, scientists have to be able to understand it to further studies on it, and that requires studying the pathology of being trans. For many others who do feel they were "born in the wrong body", developing studies could be helpful to understanding their bodies some 10, 20 years down the road, because it's not just a "social" issue for them, but a "physical" issue.

I didn't say stop saying that, I said, "hey this narrative that everyone knows doesn't apply to everyone!"

Gender is very complex and therefore people will have many differing narratives.

What do you mean by "feeling at ease"? I don't know how one feels when one is insecure about one's gender.

People transition, especially when it's medical procedures like hormone therapy, for example, to alleviate gender dysphoria, and/or to increase gender euphoria by changing their body to be inline with their target gender.

There are a variety of surgical procedures. I think you're thinking of sexual reassignment surgery, which is known as either a vaginoplasty (for a person who previously had a penis) or a phalloplasty (the reverse). In a vaginoplasty, there are several parts that must be performed: partial orchiectomy, reuse of penile tissue to produce a vaginal cavity, construction of a clitoris and labia from the head and scrotum respectively, and repositioning the urethra. I've got no idea how a phalloplasty works, but I imagine it's basically the reverse. The former typically costs about $20k in the US and the latter can run a person upwards of $100k.

There are other transgender surgeries, which are not as huge of changes. Facial feminization surgeries alter some part of a woman's face to make it look more feminine. Breast augmentation/removal surgeries may be desired, especially breast removal for transgender men who underwent puberty (trans women will normally grow breasts during hormone therapy, so breast augmentation is not needed as much). Vocal feminization surgery alters the vocal cords to make them sound more feminine. Male forms of FFS and VFS aren't really needed because trans men get more masculine faces and voices when taking testosterone, a common step prior to any surgical intervention.

Pretty much this. Though sometimes non-binary people may get surgeries too. Some non-binary people may get FTM top surgery, a double mastectomy, but not go on testosterone for example.

However, I'd like to go on a tangent on the differences that transmasculine and transfeminine people may have with physical transition. Men can get away with more than women can in terms of looks. Men are "allowed" to be ugly, or at least they don't have to worry about beauty as much since women get pressured into always being as conventionally beautiful as they can.

Even minor stuff like having dysphoria over body hair, where does this idea that women have no leg hair come from? Gender Dysphoria does not exist in a vacuum. Something like FFS and even BA/top surgery aren't totally unique to the trans experience as cis women do surgeries like those too, plastic surgery to look a certain way, and even my own other got breast augmentation, and she told me this when I expressed dysphoria over my lack of prominent breasts and wondered if I too needed that. I still think about ffs but that's probably just me trying to assimilate into standards I heavily criticize. However, body autonomy is a paramount right and any person should be able to have the body they feel the most comfortable in.

Technically FMS is a thing, though it's usually incels that are talking about it.

Phalloplasty definitely isn't as effective or as mature a surgery as vaginoplasty. The latter often produces a vagina externally indistinguishable from that of a cis woman apart from the lack of self-lubrication, but phalloplasties vary quite a bit in results despite being much more expensive.

FTM bottom surgery requires a skin graft, making the surgery much more complex, though a vaginoplasty usually doesn't, it can happen, especially if one opts to keep the penis.

It's not really a narrative if some people who are trans do claim that they knew they were trans because they played with certain toys, dressed a certain way, or acted a certain way. Or if they say they felt they were born in the wrong body. You're in the minority, not in the majority.

[Auzkhia]

FTM bottom surgery requires a skin graft, making the surgery much more complex, though a vaginoplasty usually doesn't, it can happen, especially if one opts to keep the penis.

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

Yes, it is a thing, and has been done before. I have a friend who is pursuing it. She would have to go to San Francisco for it since that's where the only practice that does it, MoZaic care, is located. And they also do metoidplasty that keeps the vagina.

[Imperial Joseon]

Does the cost of having a transgender surgery cost more in America than Thailand?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Does the cost of having a transgender surgery cost more in America than Thailand?

Yes. Hence why Asia and South America have become big for many transgender people to get SRS.

[Imperial Joseon]

Does the cost of having a transgender surgery cost more in America than Thailand?

Yes. Hence why Asia and South America have become big for many transgender people to get SRS.

Ah, I see. It's legal to have a transgender surgery in America, though, right?

[Cekoviu]

Yes. Hence why Asia and South America have become big for many transgender people to get SRS.

Ah, I see. It's legal to have a transgender surgery in America, though, right?

Yes.

[Imperial Joseon]

Ah, I see. It's legal to have a transgender surgery in America, though, right?

Yes.

Thanks for the information. Just was curious. Good to know something outside of just sports and games.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes. Hence why Asia and South America have become big for many transgender people to get SRS.

Ah, I see. It's legal to have a transgender surgery in America, though, right?

It is legal, just very costly.

[Hediacrana]

I feel like a lot of transfemmes are expected to say in regards to their childhoods and past "When I was four years old I tried on my mother's high heels and stole my sister's dresses and knew that I was a female soul in the body of a crossdressing baby" or nothing at all. Even though I literally have done that.

I don't totally buy the feminine essence theory of transsexuality. I feel like "born into the wrong social role" is more accurate than "born in the wrong body" for me. Though I think it's not that important to justify why we are transgender, though a lot of people keep asking, and I just am me, I'm not sorry? I transitioned and feel much more happier that in itself shouldn't need a reason why. Maybe some people want to just because it will keep the Cis™ of off our backs, and sadly, the "born in the wrong body" narrative lines up with their own beliefs and preconceptions about gender.

Same here, pretty much.

[Auzkhia]

Does the cost of having a transgender surgery cost more in America than Thailand?

Yes, and not all insurance plans cover it. My girlfriend's insurance she gets from work won't cover GRS that she wants. However, my insurance does and I don't want The Surgery™, how perverse.

Medical tourism is a thing, not for pre-op trans people, but anyone suffering from not having enough money to get the necessary treatment.

[Grenartia]

https://twitter.com/TheChrisMosier/status/1227955845562085376

The Chris Mosier
@TheChrisMosier

ARIZONA HB2706 is being heard today - the bill would allow anyone to dispute if a girl is "really a girl" on any sports team in the state & then subject that student to an examination of their internal & external reproductive anatomy to decide if they can play.

#AZleg

Sexually assaulting children to own the transes.

And yet, we're supposedly the real threat.

FTM bottom surgery requires a skin graft, making the surgery much more complex, though a vaginoplasty usually doesn't, it can happen, especially if one opts to keep the penis.

Has that actually been done? That sounds like it would create severe complications and is rather pointless.

Apparently, it has been done many times, though only recently has it become a widely-known about option. Complications are said to be minimal. And its not really pointless to those of us who want it.

For those interested, one of its nicknames is androgynoplasty.

I dunno about pointless... that sounds kinda ideal from my perspective.

I mean, I guess nonbinary people might like it? It sounds horrible from the perspective of a woman, and women are probably the majority of people seeking vaginoplasties.

There seem to be a decent amount of women interested in it as well. But if you don't want one, don't get one. Simple as.

Does the cost of having a transgender surgery cost more in America than Thailand?

Yes, and not all insurance plans cover it. My girlfriend's insurance she gets from work won't cover GRS that she wants. However, my insurance does and I don't want The Surgery™, how perverse.

Medical tourism is a thing, not for pre-op trans people, but anyone suffering from not having enough money to get the necessary treatment.

And the really fucked up thing is that the institutional transmedicalism in the UK and other countries with nationalized healthcare means there exists medical tourism to the US, not because our system has better quality, or is cheaper, but because our medical system is more open-minded, and doesn't string people along for years before even writing an HRT prescription. *glares at the UK's NHS*

[Vassenor]

So remember how we kept being told that the FARTs weren't trying to police bodies in order to enforce traditional ideas about femininity?

Yeah, about that...

[Dumb Ideologies]

So remember how we kept being told that the FARTs weren't trying to police bodies in order to enforce traditional ideas about femininity?

Yeah, about that...

Hi Vass, this person is a nutter but it doesn't amount to a rebuttal of the arguments made by users last time this was discussed on the thread. People argued that the logic of transphobic feminists didn't necessarily imply policing traditional ideas about femininity, and that when it occurred it was often an unintended effect rather than the primary intention.

A deranged tumblr post doesn't negate that fundamental line of reasoning, shine a light on everyone's super secret real opinion, nor establish this as a primary identifying feature of the ideology any more than some activist screaming about how not wanting to sleep with transwomen is transphobic or a single incident of a trans rapist proves that transwomen are dangerously rapey and feel entitled to sexual access.

Someone on the other side being a nutter (or possibly even attempting a wind-up) does not equate to auto-winning an argument from weeks ago that you weren't doing very well in.

[Imperial Joseon]

So remember how we kept being told that the FARTs weren't trying to police bodies in order to enforce traditional ideas about femininity?

Yeah, about that...

I still don't get what FARTs are.

[Grenartia]

So remember how we kept being told that the FARTs weren't trying to police bodies in order to enforce traditional ideas about femininity?

Yeah, about that...

I still don't get what FARTs are.

Feminism
Appropriating
Reactionary
Transphobes.

Or, our polite alternative term for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist (a term one of their own coined for them about 12 years ago, but which they have the gall to say is "a slur").

[Imperial Joseon]

I still don't get what FARTs are.

Feminism
Appropriating
Reactionary
Transphobes.

Or, our polite alternative term for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist (a term one of their own coined for them about 12 years ago, but which they have the gall to say is "a slur").

Ah, there's one person in Korea who is like that. Han Seo-Hee is her name. She's a singer/celebrity.

[Cekoviu]

So remember how we kept being told that the FARTs weren't trying to police bodies in order to enforce traditional ideas about femininity?

Yeah, about that...

Excuse me while I vomit.

[The New California Republic]

Transgender patients are choosing to self-medicate with hormones bought online from unregulated sources due to waiting times to see NHS specialists, the BBC has learned.

In many areas, some patients wait over two years to be seen, new figures show. England's target time is 18 weeks. One woman said she was so low it felt like a choice between self-medicating or suicide. NHS England said it had increased investment to respond to rising demand.

Law student Kara told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme she began buying oestrogen - the hormone prescribed to trans women - last summer online, to begin her transition. She has been on an NHS gender identity clinic waiting list now for two years. She admitted she was "absolutely petrified" of the effects it could have on her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51530274

[Vassenor]

Transgender patients are choosing to self-medicate with hormones bought online from unregulated sources due to waiting times to see NHS specialists, the BBC has learned.

In many areas, some patients wait over two years to be seen, new figures show. England's target time is 18 weeks. One woman said she was so low it felt like a choice between self-medicating or suicide. NHS England said it had increased investment to respond to rising demand.

Law student Kara told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme she began buying oestrogen - the hormone prescribed to trans women - last summer online, to begin her transition. She has been on an NHS gender identity clinic waiting list now for two years. She admitted she was "absolutely petrified" of the effects it could have on her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51530274

>110 week "maximum" wait at the clinic I'm waiting at

>been on the waiting list for 140 weeks

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[Cekoviu]

Transgender patients are choosing to self-medicate with hormones bought online from unregulated sources due to waiting times to see NHS specialists, the BBC has learned.

In many areas, some patients wait over two years to be seen, new figures show. England's target time is 18 weeks. One woman said she was so low it felt like a choice between self-medicating or suicide. NHS England said it had increased investment to respond to rising demand.

Law student Kara told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme she began buying oestrogen - the hormone prescribed to trans women - last summer online, to begin her transition. She has been on an NHS gender identity clinic waiting list now for two years. She admitted she was "absolutely petrified" of the effects it could have on her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51530274

The UK is worse than America at this point.

[Grenartia]

The UK is worse than America at this point.

I'd like to think it wouldn't happen here because we'd literally riot over delayed healthcare, but we can't even seem to get off our asses to demand public healthcare.