TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Imagine if you were discriminated against for, say, your skin color? I’m sure you wouldn’t like it at all. I liken that to how transgender people probably feel, to some extent, when they’re discriminated against or encounter a transphobic person.

Then, why become a transgendered person? I mean, people say they are "uneasy" with their gender identity, but I have absolutely no idea what that means.

Because there’s incongruence between their sex and their gender, which is not of their choosing. Not trying to be mean but check the Original Post. It has a few definitions that can help you understand what being transgender means.

[Imperial Joseon]

Then, why become a transgendered person? I mean, people say they are "uneasy" with their gender identity, but I have absolutely no idea what that means.

Because there’s incongruence between their sex and their gender, which is not of their choosing. Not trying to be mean but check the Original Post. It has a few definitions that can help you understand what being transgender means.

Interesting. Korea has a trasgendered celebrity who got married after she(he) changed her(his) gender, and she was a sensation back in the 2000s. Korea is mostly conservative, when it comes to homosexuality and transgendered people, but they allowed her to star on TV shows, because she was really pretty.

[Grenartia]

Ah, shit. I forgot to clear the poll results. It is fixed.

God damn it, I thought you were doing a clever play on Iowa.

Ah, shit. I forgot to clear the poll results. It is fixed.

So it wasn't intentional after all.

I swear, if it was intentional, Trump would not have been put in a place with that many votes.

It's "Linehan".

It is now. You're welcome.

Thanks.

And somehow 45 still has votes in the poll.

I promise, I cleared the poll.

I'm curious who in God with a capital G's name thinks Donald Trump is the best for trans people.

1. Trolls who think we need a good purging
2. Misguided individuals (the politest possible term I can use) who think that holding up an upside down rainbow flag hastily scribbled on by some PR guy at the last minute is more meaningful than all of the material harm he has done to us.

I'm curious who in God with a capital G's name thinks Donald Trump is the best for trans people.

I'm fairly certain it's the more transphobic members of this forum taking advantage of the anonymity of polls in order to get "kekz" or whatever they call them now.

Basically option 1.

If there were more than 10 options avaliable, I would have done the cis/trans dichotomy. Maybe in a few months once the field thins out more, I'll redo it.

Hey, all. I suppose some of you might recognize me, if only vaguely, seeing as I've been around since 2013. In any case, I figured I might as well introduce myself.

Hi, I'm North Arkana, and I wrestled with my identity as a transwoman for years, most likely since at least middle school looking back with the benefit of hindsight. I only really came to grips with it about two years ago, and started transitioning a couple months ago. I never really put much thought or effort into it, but I guess I prefer feminine pronouns. Nice to meet all of you?

Gonna be honest I spent like 2 whole hours just debating whether to even post this due to nerves.

I'm glad you're taking the steps you need to be yourself, and welcome to our humble thread.

So, in Korea, there is a (former) guy who had a transgender(for lack of a better term) surgery in Thailand and was accepted into womens' army.

Do you think womens' army, in generral, should accept people who have changed their genders from male to female?

I don't believe the military should be sex-segregated at all, rendering the question quite moot. If memory serves, the US military has more or less complete integration on that front.

Lots of transphobic Labour party members whining about "science" on Twitter because the prospective leadership candidates aren't transphobic and saying "#ExpelMe". All rather depressing.

Has Labor always been on the transphobic side?

This article is actually pretty insightful.

Has Labor always been on the transphobic side?

Honestly, I wonder how transgendered people think about transphobic people. Just want to understand their perspectives.

We don't like their attitudes, the things they say to and about us, and the things they do to us. It seems like that would have been self-evident. Its like asking how people of minority races feel about racists.

Imagine if you were discriminated against for, say, your skin color? I’m sure you wouldn’t like it at all. I liken that to how transgender people probably feel, to some extent, when they’re discriminated against or encounter a transphobic person.

Then, why become a transgendered person? I mean, people say they are "uneasy" with their gender identity, but I have absolutely no idea what that means.

I've never heard anyone else in the community say they were "uneasy". Uncomfortable? Incredibly. Dysphoria is terrible. Its mentally, emotionally, and sometimes even physically painful. And frustratingly, its also incredibly hard to give an accurate description of it in a way that cis people can adequately understand.

Also, for future reference, transgender is not a verb, there is no '-ed' suffix for it.

[Imperial Joseon]

Also, for future reference, transgender is not a verb, there is no '-ed' suffix for it.

I thought it'd be disrespectful if I said, "transgender". Some people do not seem to like that term.

[Grenartia]

Also, for future reference, transgender is not a verb, there is no '-ed' suffix for it.

I thought it'd be disrespectful if I said, "transgender". Some people do not seem to like that term.

I mean, just don't use it for people who don't want it (though the people who don't like it would be almost just as likely to not like "transgendered" as much as they dislike "transgender", the '-ed' suffix doesn't improve things). And transgender is pretty much the default term for us.

[Imperial Joseon]

I thought it'd be disrespectful if I said, "transgender". Some people do not seem to like that term.

I mean, just don't use it for people who don't want it (though the people who don't like it would be almost just as likely to not like "transgendered" as much as they dislike "transgender", the '-ed' suffix doesn't improve things). And transgender is pretty much the default term for us.

So, I can call a "transgendered"(For lack of a better term) "transgender"?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I mean, just don't use it for people who don't want it (though the people who don't like it would be almost just as likely to not like "transgendered" as much as they dislike "transgender", the '-ed' suffix doesn't improve things). And transgender is pretty much the default term for us.

So, I can call a "transgendered"(For lack of a better term) "transgender"?

Pro tip: say transgender person. Or ask preferred pronouns.

[Imperial Joseon]

So, I can call a "transgendered"(For lack of a better term) "transgender"?

Pro tip: say transgender person. Or ask preferred pronouns.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.

[Cekoviu]

So, in Korea, there is a (former) guy who had a transgender(for lack of a better term) surgery in Thailand and was accepted into womens' army.

Do you think womens' army, in generral, should accept people who have changed their genders from male to female?

Yes. Though I really don't see any reason for there to be separate men's and women's armies...

Imagine if you were discriminated against for, say, your skin color? I’m sure you wouldn’t like it at all. I liken that to how transgender people probably feel, to some extent, when they’re discriminated against or encounter a transphobic person.

Then, why become a transgendered person? I mean, people say they are "uneasy" with their gender identity, but I have absolutely no idea what that means.

You don't 'become' transgender. You can choose not to transition, but you will still be transgender if you don't. And 'uneasy' does not even begin to describe the utter psychological torture resulting from mind-body incongruence - the only viable option for a transgender person to live a happy and full life is almost always transition.

Because there’s incongruence between their sex and their gender, which is not of their choosing. Not trying to be mean but check the Original Post. It has a few definitions that can help you understand what being transgender means.

Interesting. Korea has a trasgendered celebrity who got married after she(he) changed her(his) gender, and she was a sensation back in the 2000s. Korea is mostly conservative, when it comes to homosexuality and transgendered people, but they allowed her to star on TV shows, because she was really pretty.

You don't have to misgender transgender people in parentheses when you first introduce them. In fact, you shouldn't.

[Khasinkonia]

Random question because I'm curious:

Given that many trans teenagers suffer from significant parental obstruction (to varying degrees) when it comes to medical transition, what say the peanut gallery with regards to making obtaining gender-related counselling and HRT grounds for a child being potentially able to take their own Medical Power of Attourney, given, of course, reasonable evidence that they're capable of making an informed decision.

This is also applicable for things like vaccinations, I would say, but given the thread, I just wanted to throw around this question with regards to medical transitioning. It's a topic of conversation among a lot of trans teens I've met who are aware of Medical POA, so I'm curious to hear the thoughts of older trans folks too.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Random question because I'm curious:

Given that many trans teenagers suffer from significant parental obstruction (to varying degrees) when it comes to medical transition, what say the peanut gallery with regards to making obtaining gender-related counselling and HRT grounds for a child being potentially able to take their own Medical Power of Attourney, given, of course, reasonable evidence that they're capable of making an informed decision.

This is also applicable for things like vaccinations, I would say, but given the thread, I just wanted to throw around this question with regards to medical transitioning. It's a topic of conversation among a lot of trans teens I've met who are aware of Medical POA, so I'm curious to hear the thoughts of older trans folks too.

While you are a minor and not financially independent, the messy reality is that compromise and negotiation with parents and guardians is unavoidable.

The case for prescribing blockers over the heads of a dug-in parent is a reasonable one in my view, but since such parents are likely to strongly oppose transition at home and school it is difficult for any degree of life experience in the preferred gender role to take place or for regular counselling by someone probably trained to be accessed. This limits how sure and informed someone can be in starting hormones so HRT is quite a different matter.

It is also the sort of thing that would be possibly be likely to exacerbate tensions in the household, leading to violence, trans kids getting kicked out etc.

[Cekoviu]

Random question because I'm curious:

Given that many trans teenagers suffer from significant parental obstruction (to varying degrees) when it comes to medical transition, what say the peanut gallery with regards to making obtaining gender-related counselling and HRT grounds for a child being potentially able to take their own Medical Power of Attourney, given, of course, reasonable evidence that they're capable of making an informed decision.

This is also applicable for things like vaccinations, I would say, but given the thread, I just wanted to throw around this question with regards to medical transitioning. It's a topic of conversation among a lot of trans teens I've met who are aware of Medical POA, so I'm curious to hear the thoughts of older trans folks too.

While you are a minor and not financially independent, the messy reality is that compromise and negotiation with parents and guardians is unavoidable.

The case for prescribing blockers over the heads of a dug-in parent is a reasonable one in my view, but since such parents are likely to strongly oppose transition at home and school it is difficult for any degree of life experience in the preferred gender role to take place or for regular counselling by someone probably trained to be accessed. This limits how sure and informed someone can be in starting hormones so HRT is quite a different matter.

It is also the sort of thing that would be possibly be likely to exacerbate tensions in the household, leading to violence, trans kids getting kicked out etc.

The issue is that this (in the US and other developing countries) could be imposing a mandatory financial burden on the parents, which may be considered a legal no-no.

[Dumb Ideologies]

While you are a minor and not financially independent, the messy reality is that compromise and negotiation with parents and guardians is unavoidable.

The case for prescribing blockers over the heads of a dug-in parent is a reasonable one in my view, but since such parents are likely to strongly oppose transition at home and school it is difficult for any degree of life experience in the preferred gender role to take place or for regular counselling by someone probably trained to be accessed. This limits how sure and informed someone can be in starting hormones so HRT is quite a different matter.

It is also the sort of thing that would be possibly be likely to exacerbate tensions in the household, leading to violence, trans kids getting kicked out etc.

The issue is that this (in the US and other developing countries) could be imposing a mandatory financial burden on the parents, which may be considered a legal no-no.

Fair. That's another important layer I didn't think of due to living in NHSerland. Forcing parents to fund something they either don't agree with or can't afford is a bit problematic, certainly.

[Khasinkonia]

The issue is that this (in the US and other developing countries) could be imposing a mandatory financial burden on the parents, which may be considered a legal no-no.

Fair. That's another important layer I didn't think of due to living in NHSerland. Forcing parents to fund something they either don't agree with or can't afford is a bit problematic, certainly.

The optimistic side of me would like to believe that in places with massive government budgets like the United States, one could rely on the government to step in at least in for this circumstance, but that would greatly overestimate administrative generosity. I understand the practical side of this issue is tricky in places where private healthcare is the norm, but, assuming there is universal healthcare or a bit of government subsidy, would it be ethical to permit trans youth bypass parental opposition to transition, with medical oversight as a given.

[Auzkhia]

Hey, all. I suppose some of you might recognize me, if only vaguely, seeing as I've been around since 2013. In any case, I figured I might as well introduce myself.

Hi, I'm North Arkana, and I wrestled with my identity as a transwoman for years, most likely since at least middle school looking back with the benefit of hindsight. I only really came to grips with it about two years ago, and started transitioning a couple months ago. I never really put much thought or effort into it, but I guess I prefer feminine pronouns. Nice to meet all of you?

Gonna be honest I spent like 2 whole hours just debating whether to even post this due to nerves.

Welcome, new friend!

I'm a transfemme enby myself and I knew what it was like too. Much solidarity to you.

[Cekoviu]

Fair. That's another important layer I didn't think of due to living in NHSerland. Forcing parents to fund something they either don't agree with or can't afford is a bit problematic, certainly.

The optimistic side of me would like to believe that in places with massive government budgets like the United States, one could rely on the government to step in at least in for this circumstance, but that would greatly overestimate administrative generosity. I understand the practical side of this issue is tricky in places where private healthcare is the norm, but, assuming there is universal healthcare or a bit of government subsidy, would it be ethical to permit trans youth bypass parental opposition to transition, with medical oversight as a given.

Yes, but the other requirements for obtaining any form of HRT should remain the same.

[Imperial Joseon]

Yes. Though I really don't see any reason for there to be separate men's and women's armies...

Self-consciousness, perhaps?

You don't have to misgender transgender people in parentheses when you first introduce them. In fact, you shouldn't.

New here. Please go easy on me.

[Cekoviu]

Yes. Though I really don't see any reason for there to be separate men's and women's armies...

Self-consciousness, perhaps?

If you can't handle being in the same army as someone of the opposite gender, you're probably not tough enough to be in an army. (I say that as someone who isn't tough enough to be in an army, mind you.)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Random question because I'm curious:

Given that many trans teenagers suffer from significant parental obstruction (to varying degrees) when it comes to medical transition, what say the peanut gallery with regards to making obtaining gender-related counselling and HRT grounds for a child being potentially able to take their own Medical Power of Attourney, given, of course, reasonable evidence that they're capable of making an informed decision.

This is also applicable for things like vaccinations, I would say, but given the thread, I just wanted to throw around this question with regards to medical transitioning. It's a topic of conversation among a lot of trans teens I've met who are aware of Medical POA, so I'm curious to hear the thoughts of older trans folks too.

Tricky question. It would have to proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a panel of physicians that a child not getting the required treatment would endanger their life greatly for a court to override parental authority and discretion.

[Imperial Joseon]

Self-consciousness, perhaps?

If you can't handle being in the same army as someone of the opposite gender, you're probably not tough enough to be in an army. (I say that as someone who isn't tough enough to be in an army, mind you.)

I personally wouldn't mind, but women mind, for some reason. I don't know.

[Cekoviu]

If you can't handle being in the same army as someone of the opposite gender, you're probably not tough enough to be in an army. (I say that as someone who isn't tough enough to be in an army, mind you.)

I personally wouldn't mind, but women mind, for some reason. I don't know.

To be fair, I know that Korea has absolutely insane beauty standards for women. But perhaps segregating the army is worsening, not improving, the problem.

[Imperial Joseon]

I personally wouldn't mind, but women mind, for some reason. I don't know.

To be fair, I know that Korea has absolutely insane beauty standards for women. But perhaps segregating the army is worsening, not improving, the problem.

Yes, but. in terms of military. they don't really care about that. Korea has recently approved a transgendered person into the womens' army. So, in your perspective, it should be improving.

[Cekoviu]

To be fair, I know that Korea has absolutely insane beauty standards for women. But perhaps segregating the army is worsening, not improving, the problem.

Yes, but. in terms of military. they don't really care about that. Korea has recently approved a transgendered person into the womens' army. So, in your perspective, it should be improving.

Accepting a trans woman into the army doesn't improve women's self image issues resulting from unfair societal standards. It's certainly a great step, but not in that issue.

[Imperial Joseon]

Yes, but. in terms of military. they don't really care about that. Korea has recently approved a transgendered person into the womens' army. So, in your perspective, it should be improving.

Accepting a trans woman into the army doesn't improve women's self image issues resulting from unfair societal standards. It's certainly a great step, but not in that issue.

it's a first step definitely.

[Cekoviu]

Accepting a trans woman into the army doesn't improve women's self image issues resulting from unfair societal standards. It's certainly a great step, but not in that issue.

it's a first step definitely.

How so?