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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:22 pm

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So what's getting people harassed for not being stereotypically feminine enough to be in the bathroom?

Transphobes who probably aren't TERFs. Or are stupid TERFs. You seem to be latching onto this idea that the typical Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist would screech at any short haired woman they saw entering the female restrooms. TERFs are bad, but they're not THAT bad.

I know at least terves love to taunt that they can clock any trans person, especially trans women, and assume everyone else can to, but they cannot. I bet you most cis people don't know what trans people really look like.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:09 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Transphobes who probably aren't TERFs. Or are stupid TERFs. You seem to be latching onto this idea that the typical Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist would screech at any short haired woman they saw entering the female restrooms. TERFs are bad, but they're not THAT bad.

I know at least terves love to taunt that they can clock any trans person, especially trans women, and assume everyone else can to, but they cannot. I bet you most cis people don't know what trans people really look like.

Even trans people don't know what trans people really look like, given how many of us there are! Transmission gives us a hand with that tho

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Postby New Paine » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:39 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Transphobes who probably aren't TERFs. Or are stupid TERFs. You seem to be latching onto this idea that the typical Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist would screech at any short haired woman they saw entering the female restrooms. TERFs are bad, but they're not THAT bad.

I know at least terves love to taunt that they can clock any trans person, especially trans women, and assume everyone else can to, but they cannot. I bet you most cis people don't know what trans people really look like.


I would say that would be a fair statement a decade ago but with the increase of trans actors playing trans characters on television, the awareness of trans people is increasing.
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:46 pm

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Auzkhia wrote:I know at least terves love to taunt that they can clock any trans person, especially trans women, and assume everyone else can to, but they cannot. I bet you most cis people don't know what trans people really look like.


I would say that would be a fair statement a decade ago but with the increase of trans actors playing trans characters on television, the awareness of trans people is increasing.

Either I pass better than I think or most people around me are so clueless.

We have trans awareness, sure but still, it's not like most people are really looking out.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:06 pm

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Fahran wrote:Except TERF's aren't reactionary and aren't appropriating feminism. Really, the one part that's true is that they're transphobic.


TERF's are comparable to Nation of Islam and the IRA, in the way that they all stem from a noble movement for rights and equality but have become extremely hateful and somewhat dangerous.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:13 pm

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TERF's are comparable to Nation of Islam and the IRA, in the way that they all stem from a noble movement for rights and equality but have become extremely hateful and somewhat dangerous.

Nation Of Islam, if I have my history right, was never about equality.


Amongst other things the Farrakhan threatened the Jews repeatedly with the "Oven".

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Postby Page » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:51 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
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TERF's are comparable to Nation of Islam and the IRA, in the way that they all stem from a noble movement for rights and equality but have become extremely hateful and somewhat dangerous.

Nation Of Islam, if I have my history right, was never about equality.


I more so meant that NOI stems from a broader movement for black civil rights as TERF's stem from the broader movement of feminism.
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Postby Fahran » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:23 pm

Page wrote:I more so meant that NOI stems from a broader movement for black civil rights as TERF's stem from the broader movement of feminism.

And both were pretty integral to their respective movements. It's difficult to discuss black or women's empowerment historically without mentioning luminaries and figureheads like Malcolm X and Germaine Greer. Farrakhan doesn't have quite that level of standing as a civil rights figure. Several older and more prominent TERF's arguably do.
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Postby Hediacrana » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:57 pm

Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:

(Source: CNN)

Transgender youth have a much greater risk of suicide, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. However, if they have access to a puberty blocker, their chances of suicide and mental health problems in the immediate term and down the road decline significantly, a new study finds.

The study, the first of its kind to examine access to pubertal suppression and suicidality, was published Thursday in the medical journal Pediatrics. The research comes as a handful of states are considering placing restrictions on transgender health care.

One state, South Dakota is considering a law that would make it a felony for health care providers to prescribe medication to stop puberty, among other gender affirming health care treatments. South Carolina and Missouri are also considering similar restrictions.
The legislation would contradict medical guidelines from several associations, including the Endocrine Society, which has guidelines that recommend doctors offer transgender teens pubertal suppression therapy, also known as puberty blocking. It became a treatment option in the United States in 1998.

With this therapy, doctors can inject a compound or use an implant that mimics the actions of a puberty-stimulating hormone that is released in the brain known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone. The compound makes the pituitary gland less sensitive to that hormone and, in doing so, it essentially pauses puberty. It's a noninvasive process that can be reversed. Puberty starts again after the drugs are stopped.

The practice has become more common in the US recently, studies have found. The latest study, though, found that 16.9% of those who were part of a survey of the transgender community wanted pubertal suppression as a part of their gender-related care. Of those who were surveyed, only 2.5% got this treatment. Those who underwent the puberty-blocking treatment had lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation and past-month severe psychological distress, compared to those who wanted the treatment but did not receive it. Researchers reached that conclusion by analyzing data from the 2015 US Transgender Survey, involving 20,619 people between the ages of 18 and 36 years old.

Some smaller studies in the past have shown that people who have undergone puberty-blocking treatments early in life, along with psychological support, have better mental health outcomes later in life.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:39 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:

(Source: CNN)

Transgender youth have a much greater risk of suicide, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. However, if they have access to a puberty blocker, their chances of suicide and mental health problems in the immediate term and down the road decline significantly, a new study finds.

The study, the first of its kind to examine access to pubertal suppression and suicidality, was published Thursday in the medical journal Pediatrics. The research comes as a handful of states are considering placing restrictions on transgender health care.

One state, South Dakota is considering a law that would make it a felony for health care providers to prescribe medication to stop puberty, among other gender affirming health care treatments. South Carolina and Missouri are also considering similar restrictions.
The legislation would contradict medical guidelines from several associations, including the Endocrine Society, which has guidelines that recommend doctors offer transgender teens pubertal suppression therapy, also known as puberty blocking. It became a treatment option in the United States in 1998.

With this therapy, doctors can inject a compound or use an implant that mimics the actions of a puberty-stimulating hormone that is released in the brain known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone. The compound makes the pituitary gland less sensitive to that hormone and, in doing so, it essentially pauses puberty. It's a noninvasive process that can be reversed. Puberty starts again after the drugs are stopped.

The practice has become more common in the US recently, studies have found. The latest study, though, found that 16.9% of those who were part of a survey of the transgender community wanted pubertal suppression as a part of their gender-related care. Of those who were surveyed, only 2.5% got this treatment. Those who underwent the puberty-blocking treatment had lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation and past-month severe psychological distress, compared to those who wanted the treatment but did not receive it. Researchers reached that conclusion by analyzing data from the 2015 US Transgender Survey, involving 20,619 people between the ages of 18 and 36 years old.

Some smaller studies in the past have shown that people who have undergone puberty-blocking treatments early in life, along with psychological support, have better mental health outcomes later in life.
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So, my next idea for a poll is kind of a joke, tbh, but I need your help. The question is going to be "If "TERF" is a slur, why don't 13 year olds shout it on XBox Live?"

Give me your funniest answers.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:03 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:



In other news, sky blue.

So, my next idea for a poll is kind of a joke, tbh, but I need your help. The question is going to be "If "TERF" is a slur, why don't 13 year olds shout it on XBox Live?"

Give me your funniest answers.


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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:19 am

Hediacrana wrote:Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:

(Source: CNN)

Transgender youth have a much greater risk of suicide, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. However, if they have access to a puberty blocker, their chances of suicide and mental health problems in the immediate term and down the road decline significantly, a new study finds.

The study, the first of its kind to examine access to pubertal suppression and suicidality, was published Thursday in the medical journal Pediatrics. The research comes as a handful of states are considering placing restrictions on transgender health care.

One state, South Dakota is considering a law that would make it a felony for health care providers to prescribe medication to stop puberty, among other gender affirming health care treatments. South Carolina and Missouri are also considering similar restrictions.
The legislation would contradict medical guidelines from several associations, including the Endocrine Society, which has guidelines that recommend doctors offer transgender teens pubertal suppression therapy, also known as puberty blocking. It became a treatment option in the United States in 1998.

With this therapy, doctors can inject a compound or use an implant that mimics the actions of a puberty-stimulating hormone that is released in the brain known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone. The compound makes the pituitary gland less sensitive to that hormone and, in doing so, it essentially pauses puberty. It's a noninvasive process that can be reversed. Puberty starts again after the drugs are stopped.

The practice has become more common in the US recently, studies have found. The latest study, though, found that 16.9% of those who were part of a survey of the transgender community wanted pubertal suppression as a part of their gender-related care. Of those who were surveyed, only 2.5% got this treatment. Those who underwent the puberty-blocking treatment had lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation and past-month severe psychological distress, compared to those who wanted the treatment but did not receive it. Researchers reached that conclusion by analyzing data from the 2015 US Transgender Survey, involving 20,619 people between the ages of 18 and 36 years old.

Some smaller studies in the past have shown that people who have undergone puberty-blocking treatments early in life, along with psychological support, have better mental health outcomes later in life.
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And yet the SD legislature still wants to ban them. Because reasons.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:24 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
In other news, sky blue.

So, my next idea for a poll is kind of a joke, tbh, but I need your help. The question is going to be "If "TERF" is a slur, why don't 13 year olds shout it on XBox Live?"

Give me your funniest answers.


Radical feminists will only play vidya when they release Vagina Monologues Battle Royale.


I tried to play that, but the lip sync of the NPCs was awful.
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Postby Hediacrana » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:38 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:



In other news, sky blue.

Sure; but I'd say that in a world where many people are for some reason predisposed to believing that the sky is orange, a study that is pointing out the contrary is still a good thing to amplify. And that is even more the case if a misguided but widespread belief is causing people to die.
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Postby Auzkhia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:35 am

Grenartia wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Study shows that puberty blockers can be 'life-saving' drugs for trans teenagers:



In other news, sky blue.

So, my next idea for a poll is kind of a joke, tbh, but I need your help. The question is going to be "If "TERF" is a slur, why don't 13 year olds shout it on XBox Live?"

Give me your funniest answers.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:32 pm

The only right answer is "patriarchy."

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Postby Red Roja » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:36 pm

I knew one transgender person. Physically female, but identified as a male. He was alright and we were good friends for a while, but sadly adult life got in the way with both of us getting jobs and ultimately moving. Life can be cruel.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:42 am

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Fahran wrote:Except TERF's aren't reactionary and aren't appropriating feminism. Really, the one part that's true is that they're transphobic.


Yeah, I don't think that you can say that the political lesbians and free bleeders are conservative.

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Hediacrana wrote:Good news: the governor of NJ has banned the trans/gay panic defenses for charges of criminal homicide.


Kudos to NJ for that.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:53 pm

There's currently a controversy that's been reported on the BBC about a feminist professor having security arranged due to supposed threats from trans activists (any evidence of these threats and information on the nature of them is scant).

Reading through The Discourse on twitter kind of illustrates why shouting and being aggressive towards transphobic feminists doesn't work, even more than it doesn't work as a general tactic. Scattered around the usual suspects declaring "solidarity" are comments about how threatening violence and trying to silence women is an archetypal "male" strategy and it proves that female spaces need to be kept safe from them.

To use a sports analogy, their top scorer is the other team's own goals.
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So managed to make use of the ladies' bathroom in a shopping centre today without anxiety and stuff happening.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:26 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
In other news, sky blue.

So, my next idea for a poll is kind of a joke, tbh, but I need your help. The question is going to be "If "TERF" is a slur, why don't 13 year olds shout it on XBox Live?"

Give me your funniest answers.

Because it's not the Gamer Word
Because TERFs don't game
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Fahran wrote:The only right answer is "patriarchy."


These are great, keep them coming.

Vassenor wrote:So managed to make use of the ladies' bathroom in a shopping centre today without anxiety and stuff happening.


Hooray!
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Vassenor wrote:So managed to make use of the ladies' bathroom in a shopping centre today without anxiety and stuff happening.

Great!
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Postby New Paine » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:22 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:There's currently a controversy that's been reported on the BBC about a feminist professor having security arranged due to supposed threats from trans activists (any evidence of these threats and information on the nature of them is scant).

Reading through The Discourse on twitter kind of illustrates why shouting and being aggressive towards transphobic feminists doesn't work, even more than it doesn't work as a general tactic. Scattered around the usual suspects declaring "solidarity" are comments about how threatening violence and trying to silence women is an archetypal "male" strategy and it proves that female spaces need to be kept safe from them.

To use a sports analogy, their top scorer is the other team's own goals.


So, don’t be a dick and harass people that disagree with you. That sounds very reasonable and something strive to do. However, in the age of social media, that becomes impossible to enforce.
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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:20 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:There's currently a controversy that's been reported on the BBC about a feminist professor having security arranged due to supposed threats from trans activists (any evidence of these threats and information on the nature of them is scant).

Reading through The Discourse on twitter kind of illustrates why shouting and being aggressive towards transphobic feminists doesn't work, even more than it doesn't work as a general tactic. Scattered around the usual suspects declaring "solidarity" are comments about how threatening violence and trying to silence women is an archetypal "male" strategy and it proves that female spaces need to be kept safe from them.

To use a sports analogy, their top scorer is the other team's own goals.

How else to deal with terfs?

Often a lot of trans people in public refuse to concede space or dialogue as it may serve to legitimize their bigotry. It may seem like being aggressive is giving the ammo, however, terfs are gonna hate trans people no matter what. They often hide in ivory towers unlike torch carrying neo nazis in the streets. But is the pen truly mightier than the sword?

However, this seems like the BBC is trying to sympathize with what I perceive to be hatred. If I were empress of the world, TERF groups would be condemned as hate groups. They are, so what then? Kill them with kindness?
Vassenor wrote:So managed to make use of the ladies' bathroom in a shopping centre today without anxiety and stuff happening.

Nice! Bathrooms were tricky for me early in transition, but I seem to use women's rooms without any problem, but I'm still a little nervous each time.
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