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by Saciu » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:27 pm
by Saciu » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:29 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Crockerland wrote:There has been a lot of muddying of the waters with even groups like pedophiles and fetishists trying to grift themselves into the classification, so here's a comprehensive list - the LGBT/LGBTI/LGBTIA umbrella (there is no "Q", it's an offensive slur) encompasses:
-Anyone who is a sexual orientation other than straight (gay, bi, or asexual),
-Anyone who does not identify with the gender they were born with,
-Anyone who is born with an intersex condition.
And also, sometimes anyone who is "Gender Nonconforming" is included (LGBTIAGNC) which includes things like straight cisgender crossdressers.
I'm queer. It's been reclaimed, and I use it and find it useful since it's easier to say that than just explaining my gender and sexuality with a few run on sentences.
by Crockerland » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:47 pm
by Page » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 am
by Crockerland » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:02 am
by Page » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:25 am
by Grenartia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:20 am
Thermodolia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Trans lesbians calling ourselves transbians is an organic evolution along linguistic, cultural, and social trends, and is not "forcibly changing language". Take your L.
No it’s not. You can’t claim that there is a cultural or linguistic trend for a word that is only really found in the bowels of Tumblr.
Also aren’t you supposedly androgynous and therefore not Trans because trans implies that you are transitioning?
Said the person who is unironically triggered by a pansexual transbian.
No I’m not triggered I just hate when people butcher language to the point that it has no meaning. Words mean things. You can’t claim to be pansexual while also claiming to be transbian. You are either one or the other. Not both. It’s fine if you want to be a transbian, but you can’t claim to be pansexual at the same time because it makes no fucking sense.
I just picked up the straw that fell out of your clothes.
I am not the one creating strawmen. Which is where the term straw comes from, strawmen is the act of creating a false argument and misconstruing an argument so that one can argue against it.
I’m not the one who is butchering the English language and misusing words.
I thought you transphobes were all about having a solid scientific understanding of things.
First off where is the Kinsey Scale solidly scientific?
Please show me because there is nothing that proves that humans are a 1, 2, 3 or so on.
The entire scale is based on self reporting evidence and I will not accept it as scientific fact.
If that were true, they wouldn't be different things on the scale.
Only if you are operating from the assumption that the scale is fact, which I am not. Therefore bisexuality is the attraction to both male and females no matter how much.
If one likes men 90% of the time yet 10% of the time they like women then they are still bisexual. To claim otherwise is the eraser of bisexuals
Who died and made you the Lesbian Police?
The Dictionary, which is not a dictator or dictatorship just so you know.
I dare you to quote where I said that. I triple dog doctor dare you to quote it.Grenartia wrote:
Honestly, I've just taken to calling myself a transbian, but once in a blue blood super moon, I can be attracted to a guy.
Next!!
No, but the only person bringing that possibility up is you. All we want is for the minority to not have their equal rights being trampled by the majority.
No you want me to change my beliefs
and force me to believe that a man is a woman and vice versa. That’s not equal rights. You want be to believe and cater to the idea that there are 63+ sexualities and genders when there aren’t. That’s not equal rights.
Equal rights are me not firing someone because of who they are. Equal rights are not forcing me to play along so you don’t get your feelings hurt.
Grenartia wrote: Tell me, what is your fucking goal here? Do you think you're going to succeed where every TERF and Bean Sharpie clone before you has failed? Do you honestly think you'll finally hit the right combination of condescension, concern trolling, and bullshit that'll magically make every trans person here go into conversion therapy and start detransitioning?
Saciu wrote:I don't get how you can be lesbian and pansexual (ignoring my skepticism of pansexuality).
Thermodolia wrote:Also I don’t hate trans people.
I do not want to see them killed or harmed
Fahran wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Because they have the power of God and Anime on their side. Allegedly.
I thought anime was pro-trans. Really, anime hurts whichever side it's on.
With regard to transphobic people, I imagine they believe they're on the right side of history and, if not, then that they're on the right side of morality/truth and that we're all spiralling towards dystopia. I mean they're right about that last part (dystopia) but for different reasons.
Fahran wrote:Page wrote:Jesus being XX is more plausible than Jesus not having a biological father at all. It's very unlikely that Jesus of Nazareth was XX it's at least possible. Conception without sperm is not.
I'm waiting for the Catholics to storm in here and verbally smack you around for committing blasphemy repeatedly and ignorantly. Also, naming a girl child Josh is just absurd.
Vassenor wrote:Crockerland wrote:There has been a lot of muddying of the waters with even groups like pedophiles and fetishists trying to grift themselves into the classification, so here's a comprehensive list - the LGBT/LGBTI/LGBTIA umbrella (there is no "Q", it's an offensive slur) encompasses:
-Anyone who is a sexual orientation other than straight (gay, bi, or asexual),
-Anyone who does not identify with the gender they were born with,
-Anyone who is born with an intersex condition.
And also, sometimes anyone who is "Gender Nonconforming" is included (LGBTIAGNC) which includes things like straight cisgender crossdressers.
So who is actually seriously trying to include paedophilia in the definition?
Fahran wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:I'm incredibly reluctant to consider any historical person transgender, and I'm pretty sure that the historical Jesus was a cishet man, but if someone is outright offended at the idea that Jesus was trans, that says a lot about what they believe about the value of trans people.
I don't know too many people who'd be offended by the insinuation if it were honestly made and not simply intended as a bit of trolling. I think the more common response would be "um, no." But, yeah, I wouldn't leap to identifying the sexual orientations and gender identities of people in the past without knowledge of how sex, sexuality, and gender fit into their society.
Thermodolia wrote:Ifreann wrote:Even if Therm's tiny number is accurate, 0.005% of the population is still hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands of people that we have to pretend aren't real in order to carry on believing that human sex is binary. It'd be like ignoring the city of Atlanta.
The city of Atlanta doesn’t get to dictate national policy.
Auze wrote:Grenartia wrote:
XXY? XYY? XXYY? XO?
No, but the only person bringing that possibility up is you. All we want is for the minority to not have their equal rights being trampled by the majority.
By that logic, saying "humans have two legs" is a false statement, because some are missing a leg or have a third.
Page wrote:The Rurkovich Imperium wrote:That's probably because bathrooms are based on gender, hence why there isn't an intersex bathroom.
Once on this forum I asked a bathroom bill supporter "So which bathroom should intersex people use?" and they actually responded "They should just hold it until they get home."
The other thing they fail to consider is that when gender in public bathrooms is policed, some cis people will be harassed too. What if you're a cis man but kind of androgynous looking, are you okay with someone demanding you carry your birth certificate with you to prove you're allowed to use the men's room? They never think of that.
by Grenartia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:37 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:15 am
by Ifreann » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:56 am
Crockerland wrote:Ifreann wrote:Nah, that's just 4chan doin' an op.
4chan time travelers in the 1970s.Ifreann wrote:But that's exactly what people are doing. To say that sex is binary is to say that intersex people are not real, and they definitely are real.
How? Intersex people are real, and are compatible with the binary, because intersex people, even those with chromosomes other than XY or XX, are either male (XXY, XYY, XXYY) or female (XO).
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by Crockerland » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:33 am
Ifreann wrote:Crockerland wrote:4chan time travelers in the 1970s.
How? Intersex people are real, and are compatible with the binary, because intersex people, even those with chromosomes other than XY or XX, are either male (XXY, XYY, XXYY) or female (XO).
Because if there's more than two possibilities, it isn't a binary.
by Ifreann » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:07 am
Crockerland wrote:Ifreann wrote:Because if there's more than two possibilities, it isn't a binary.
Here are the possibilities:
-Male
-Female
So it's a binary.
Intersex people are not a third possibility, any more than bald people, or black people, or tall people. Like all other groups, intersex people are born either male or female.
by Cekoviu » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:22 am
Crockerland wrote:Ifreann wrote:Because if there's more than two possibilities, it isn't a binary.
Here are the possibilities:
-Male
-Female
So it's a binary.
Intersex people are not a third possibility, any more than bald people, or black people, or tall people. Like all other groups, intersex people are born either male or female.
by Ifreann » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 am
by Des-Bal » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:30 am
Ifreann wrote:Because if there's more than two possibilities, it isn't a binary.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Des-Bal » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 am
Cekoviu wrote:>bald isn't a gender
Are you even hearing yourself right now?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Des-Bal » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:35 am
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:12 am
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by Saciu » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:06 am
Grenartia wrote:Saciu wrote:Has something puzzled you?
Look, as a trans Christian, and someone who has pulled very few punches with Therm lately, and someone who has gotten into many, many fights with various people on this forum about God being ok with LGBT+ people, and someone who is quite blunt that anyone who is offended at the suggestion that Jesus was trans is inherently transphobic, I'll be the first to agree that yeah, there's no basis for your claim. There is plenty of biblical evidence that directly contradicts the "Jesus was trans" narrative.
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:45 am
by Saciu » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:04 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Cekoviu wrote:Every time I've ever taken a Hogwarts sorting quiz, I've gotten Hufflepuff.
In times long past my result tended to be Ravenclaw but now I always get Slytherin. This, I think, reflects the natural cycle of growth from naive nerdy intellectualism to the righteous desire to purge society of the impure.
In other news my partner's surgery is tomorrow and I'm most definitely not panicking about everything being okay and my dubious capabilities when it comes to looking after someone.
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