TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Cekoviu]

This thought process is dependent on having a very simplistic understanding of the nature of gender and sex, but more importantly: why is this relevant in this discussion?

Well...identity is very relevant to our discussion, I think?

[Cappuccina]

Well...identity is very relevant to our discussion, I think?

It's relevant to the discussion. Humans are either female or male, we aren't slime mold.

[Necroghastia]

It's relevant to the discussion. Humans are either female or male, we aren't slime mold.

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

[Grenartia]

You said, unironically after using the word "ok", which was a word that was made up out of the blue.

Honestly. Enlighten us what that difference is. All "actual words" were made up out of the blue at one point.

No they where not just made up out of the blue.

Words develop organically along linguistic, cultural, and social trends. For example the English word Milk came about do to centuries of change from the Proto-Proto-Germanic meluks. Which is why the English, Dutch, and German words for milk are all similar.

Forcibly changing language to suit your needs doesn’t make the rest of language made up.

Trans lesbians calling ourselves transbians is an organic evolution along linguistic, cultural, and social trends, and is not "forcibly changing language". Take your L.

This just in, thermo says kinsey scales 1,2, 4, and 5 are completely invalid. Who's being "captain pedantic" now?

Its you. The answer is you. Look in a mirror. You are the very thing you criticized Auzi for being.

Looks like a stuck a nerve.

Said the person who is unironically triggered by a pansexual transbian.

Also that’s a lot of straw you got there.

I just picked up the straw that fell out of your clothes.

First off I think the Kinsey scale is a stupid metric and I refuse to recognize the validity of such.

I thought you transphobes were all about having a solid scientific understanding of things.

But if you must 1,2,3,4 and 5 are all the same thing, bisexuality just different variations of the same.

If that were true, they wouldn't be different things on the scale.

I refer you to the previous that the Kinsey scale is an outmoded piece of shit. But if you must no a lesbian is not a 5, that would be a bisexual.

Who died and made you the Lesbian Police?

This. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

You really don’t have a leg to stand on as you claim to be pansexual, yet also you claim to not be attracted to men.

I dare you to quote where I said that. I triple dog doctor dare you to quote it.

There is a difference between organic language evolution and Newspeak, kids.

You obviously don't know what that difference is if you think people calling themselves transbians is the latter instead of the former.

This is hard to express without sounding snarky or hostile, but words have meaning, and "pansexual lesbian" is mutually exclusive. Sexuality is much more fluid and hard to categorize in neat little boxes like some in the thread want to do, and there are women who don't fully fit either of the three on the spectrum but might consider themselves one of the three, but if you identify as bisexual or pansexual, then you aren't a lesbian. It's not "policing other people's identities" to expect them to use words in their universally agreed upon definition.

I don't know where I would fully fit on the spectrum, but I consider myself a lesbian because I'm exclusively romantically attracted to women and would only date another woman (whether trans or cis).

I'd be willing to accept that a woman who is attracted to multiple genders but exclusively or near-exclusively dates women (intentionally) is functionally a lesbian while being technically bisexual, so identifying herself as both might be justified.

And we have a winner. You have basically beat me to the point I was going to make.

There's no such thing as a meaningfully non-binary man or woman.

Am I gonna have to drag out the gender triangle and give a lecture in gender trig?

[Neu California]

It's relevant to the discussion. Humans are either female or male, we aren't slime mold.

So, what does that make hermaphrodites?

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile the South Dakota state legislature wants to make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way.

[Crockerland]

Meanwhile the South Dakota state legislature wants to make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way.

Actually, it says right there in the source you linked that what the law would actually do is "make it a felony for doctors to perform surgeries or administer hormone therapy to help minors change gender." That is definitely different from a law that would "make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way."

Said the person who is unironically triggered by a pansexual transbian.

le triggered ur triggered, u got owned epic style

edit: thanks 4 the gold kind stranger

[Jack Thomas Lang]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They're an aberration. Treating them as an excuse to completely ignore the validity of binary sex is a disingenuous trick. And most Trans People aren't even intersex anyway, so doubly disingenuous.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile the South Dakota state legislature wants to make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way.

Actually, it says right there in the source you linked that what the law would actually do is "make it a felony for doctors to perform surgeries or administer hormone therapy to help minors change gender." That is definitely different from a law that would "make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way."

Said the person who is unironically triggered by a pansexual transbian.

le triggered ur triggered, u got owned epic style

edit: thanks 4 the gold kind stranger

So why is denying puberty blockers a good thing then?

[Necroghastia]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They're an aberration. Treating them as an excuse to completely ignore the validity of binary sex is a disingenuous trick. And most Trans People aren't even intersex anyway, so doubly disingenuous.

I'd say the disingenuousness only comes in when you call a group of people aberrations in order to justify ignorance.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I'd say the disingenuousness only comes in when you call a group of people aberrations in order to justify ignorance.

Saying that Humans are either male and female is not ignorance but fact. A small deviation of the norm (which is what aberration literally means) does not make that fact any less true. There are people who are born without limbs, does that make the statement that Humans are a four-limbed mammal wrong?

[Ifreann]

They totes were tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespea ... Vocabulary

Among Shakespeare's greatest contributions to the English language must be the introduction of new vocabulary and phrases which have enriched the language making it more colourful and expressive. Some estimates at the number of words coined by Shakespeare number in the several thousands. Warren King clarifies by saying that, "In all of his work – the plays, the sonnets and the narrative poems – Shakespeare uses 17,677 words: Of those, 1,700 were first used by Shakespeare."[32] He is also well known for borrowing from the classical literature and foreign languages.[21] He created these words by "changing nouns into verbs, changing verbs into adjectives, connecting words never before used together, adding prefixes and suffixes, and devising words wholly original."[33]

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Yes, Newspeak is an attempt to make certain ideas impossible to express, and thus destroy them entirely, by way of an ever shrinking vocabulary and by words only ever having one meaning. Coining new words and phrases and using words and phrases in different senses than their literal meaning are literally the opposite of Newspeak. It's not a coincidence that the authoritarian is the one saying that "lesbian" means one and only one thing and that new words can't just be invented.

Lesbian does only mean one thing....a woman, trans or not...who is attracted to other women.

Or someone or something of or related to the island Lesbos. Words can mean lots of things

I don't know how you read my post, but I wasn't disagreeing with the majority opinion of the thread, not necessarily. I was simply pointing out that, people are taking this way too seriously.

Words are important. Why else does Big Brother try to control how they're used?

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So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They're an aberration. Treating them as an excuse to completely ignore the validity of binary sex is a disingenuous trick. And most Trans People aren't even intersex anyway, so doubly disingenuous.

What's disingenuous is the suggestion that when speaking of the biological nature of human beings, there are certain people whose biology doesn't count. And if you have to selectively exclude data that contradicts your conclusion then you are just objectively wrong. You may as well be saying that there are only two human hair colours, blonde and brunette. Red hair? They don't count. Why not? Because I want human hair colour to be binary.

[Rojava Free State]

It's relevant to the discussion. Humans are either female or male, we aren't slime mold.

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They make up less than 0.5% of the human population. For the most part 99% of the time, you're either male or female

Also there isn't 63 genders

[Kowani]

I'd say the disingenuousness only comes in when you call a group of people aberrations in order to justify ignorance.

Saying that Humans are either male and female is not ignorance but fact. A small deviation of the norm (which is what aberration literally means) does not make that fact any less true.

Aberration has a negative connotation, so try again.

There are people who are born without limbs, does that make the statement that Humans are a four-limbed mammal wrong?

If you say all humans, then yes.

[Ifreann]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They make up less than 0.5% of the human population. For the most part 99% of the time, you're either male or female

Also there isn't 63 genders

Red hair occurs in 1-2% of humans. Therefore, humans do not have red hair.

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So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They make up less than 0.5% of the human population. For the most part 99% of the time, you're either male or female

Also there isn't 63 genders

0.5% isn't nothing. If 0.5% of planes crashed, no one would fly. If you had a 0.5% chance of winning the Powerball, you would spend every cent you have on tickets. 0.5% is quite a lot, especially when there are close to 8 billion people on the planet.

And there are not 63 genders. There are not two, three, or zero genders. There is no "amount" of gender at all that can be assigned a finite number. Gender is not quantifiable.

"How many genders are there?" is like asking "What color is Christianity?" or "What does socialism taste like?"

[Cappuccina]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They're an aberration. Treating them as an excuse to completely ignore the validity of binary sex is a disingenuous trick. And most Trans People aren't even intersex anyway, so doubly disingenuous.

Basically this.

[Cappuccina]

They make up less than 0.5% of the human population. For the most part 99% of the time, you're either male or female

Also there isn't 63 genders

Red hair occurs in 1-2% of humans. Therefore, humans do not have red hair.

Red hair is still within a normal healthy human variation, hermaphroditicism (?) isn't.

[Auzkhia]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

They make up less than 0.5% of the human population. For the most part 99% of the time, you're either male or female

Also there isn't 63 genders

You're right. There aren't 63 genders.

There are 69 genders!

Though on a more serious note. Infinite is probably the most correct answer like there just isn't a countable number of gender, however, saying how many genders are there? It's a loaded trick question.

Meanwhile the South Dakota state legislature wants to make it flat out illegal to affirm trans kids or support them to transition in any way.

Doctors don't give HRT or any surgeries to kids, though 16 is the youngest age for HRT and that is technically minor, however, this bill is just there to stir up bigoted sentiments. It's bullshit.

[The New California Republic]

Red hair occurs in 1-2% of humans. Therefore, humans do not have red hair.

Red hair is still within a normal healthy human variation, hermaphroditicism (?) isn't.

Being intersex is not "healthy"? Care to tell us why?

[The Blaatschapen]

Red hair occurs in 1-2% of humans. Therefore, humans do not have red hair.

Red hair is still within a normal healthy human variation, hermaphroditicism (?) isn't.

Please, gingers have no souls, hermaphroditicismists (??) have two.

[Fahran]

This thought process is dependent on having a very simplistic understanding of the nature of gender and sex, but more importantly: why is this relevant in this discussion?

It's not simplistic. It's functional. We can assert that gender exists as a spectrum all we want but that's not how people outside of the LGBT+ community or even most people within the LGBT+ community construct and interact with gender. I divide people into men, women, and other because those are the functional genders that have been given a seat in my social and cultural experience. Saying there are infinite genders is socially meaningless. Gender might be constructed differently based on particular contexts but that's the rough outline.

[Fahran]

Please, gingers have no souls, hermaphroditicismists (??) have two.

I had a sensible chuckle.

[Fahran]

So intersex people do not exist. Gotcha.

Intersex people are usually men or women because sex and gender are not the same thing and gender assignments are ubiquitous. Every so often you'll have someone who is neither, but we shouldn't put all intersex people into the non-binary category automatically. It's misgendering. Let people tell you who they are with their presentation or their words.

[Cappuccina]

Red hair is still within a normal healthy human variation, hermaphroditicism (?) isn't.

Please, gingers have no souls, hermaphroditicismists (??) have two.

Not gonna lie, this had me weak AF.