TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Saciu]

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transmedicalism

Is bad and its proponents should feel bad.

Perhaps there's a case for it. But its proponents shouldn't feel bad. We believe that we're trying to help the trans community by keeping it medicalised so A) middle class trans people don't go bankrupt and B) poor trans people can actually get treatment. If it becomes demedicalised, it will become much harder for some people to transition.

[Yirophia]

For whatever reason, the title of this thread reminds me of Chain of Command.

"There are only two genders. Can't you see? Why, it is plain as day before your very eyes...."

"There... are... MORE... genders...!"

[Gopniks Union]

Ha that watermark is retarded. But sex dysphoria is a serious mental illness. It’s should be treated not have the flames fanned (Transitional surgery).

[Cekoviu]

Ha that watermark is retarded. But sex dysphoria is a serious mental illness. It’s should be treated not have the flames fanned (Transitional surgery).

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I can tell it's going to be bad!

[Juristonia]

Ha that watermark is retarded. But sex dysphoria is a serious mental illness. It’s should be treated not have the flames fanned (Transitional surgery).

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I can tell it's going to be bad!

New account, edgy hit and run post.
I wouldn't even bother.

[Yirophia]

Ha that watermark is retarded. But sex dysphoria is a serious mental illness. It’s should be treated not have the flames fanned (Transitional surgery).

Oh boy, let's begin.

"Sex dysphoria" does not exist. It is not a pair of words that corresponds to a real thing. Gender dysphoria, formerly known as gender identity disorder, however, does.

"Mental illness," while technically an existing term, has, far as I know at least, begun to very much fall out of fashion, in favour of "mental disorder" or "psychiatric disorder."

It would be technically correct to state that gender dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder. Definitionally and literally, this is true. Definitionally so because that's essentially what the DSM-5 says. Literally because it is a disorder which is associated with the mental state; that is to say a disharmony, a disarray, a root of internal turmoil and distress and misery.

However, you don't even need to know the second thing about psychology to realise that the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria is what's called "biological intervention," i.e. transition.

The first thing about psychology? It's the most goddamn difficult and unruly field of medicine there is, to the point that, speaking from a holistic perspective, it is pretty much always easier to circumvent any and all psychological issues whenever and wherever possible by changing the environment to mitigate if not entirely remove their ill effects.

And, in recognition of the fact that it is true to say "you do not have a brain; you are a brain, and you have a body," it can be said that in effect everything outside of the brain is part of the environment. The body is that flesh golem part of the environment which relays information about itself and what it can of the environment further afield to oneself, as well as (if they are reasonably fortunate) what one sees when they look down, what they hear tapping about as it carries them from where they are to where they desire to be and performs tasks delegated to it to affect the environment, what they feel both innately as brushing against any clothing, other surfaces it happens to connect with, and air, and also rubbing against itself should they happen to do something like turn the same construct's elbow inward sufficiently far.

Realising only this much, it is not exactly some incomprehensible item of great and mystic curiosity that the only effective treatment for persistent gender dysphoria is transition.

Now, if we dumb monkeys had the means to make it an effective treatment in the first place, (and by any point we do we'd probably have very nearly solved psychology to the point that we'd be, not at the onset, but rather at the tail end of a long and hopefully successful civilisation-wide struggle against a whole new breed of techno-totalitarianism where governments seek to control the masses increasingly close to the source) and if extreme religious whackjobs weren't given to abuse such power by forcing the treatment upon those who don't want it, (and the only time this would ever be the case is when they inevitably become a global minority) I for one would have nothing against a wholly psychological treatment for gender dysphoria, for those who voluntarily wish to go through with it.

The present problem, preceding all of this, is that such a thing does not exist within the realm of currently known and good psychology.

[Auzkhia]

Ha that watermark is retarded. But sex dysphoria is a serious mental illness. It’s should be treated not have the flames fanned (Transitional surgery).

You're a little confused but you got Spirit.

Transitioning is the best way to alleviate gender dysphoria.

Mind you, non-op trans people can still transition. Hormone Replacement Therapy is much more common as it is comparatively more affordable and almost always covered by most insurance plans. It's easier to claim medication than surgeries since a lot of companies consider most forms of Gender Confirmation Surgery to be cosmetic or experimental.

[Servilis]

My boyfriend just came out as Bigender I love him so much.

[Cekoviu]

My boyfriend just came out as Bigender I love him so much.

*bifriend

[Fahran]

My boyfriend just came out as Bigender I love him so much.

*bifriend

Bifriend v. Bi Friend.

[Cameroi]

whatever body anyone is born in, identity has nothing to do with gender, physical or otherwise.

and there's at least FIVE (make that six) not four, not just just biological and counter biological male and female, that makes four, but there's also herms, biologically extremely rare, but psycologically not rare nor unnatural at all, and the total neutral neutral, yes it is possible,
those of us for whom gender has no logical place in everyday society, outside of the actual acts of sexual union and childbirth themselves.

so please, NOT four genders, but ALL six, at least.

the self, the awareness, mine anyway, is a formless, locationless blob of spirit energy.
granted my own is currently connected if not entirely attached,
to a physical form that is male and human,

but when that form becomes disfuntional, my true self, that spirit energy blob called a soul,
is just as likely to be born on any one of billions of sapiently populated worlds as any other,
and these populations, each having evolved on their own worlds, may not even have binary sexual reproduction,
but may reproduce in a number of other possible ways. ways that may require more then two genders, or ways that don't require any at all.

i think humans are just being increadibly silly to even make this a thing at all.
the body you occupy is an accident of circumstance and need not be of any particular consiquence at all,
were it not for completely arbitrary cultural perspectives.

[Grenartia]

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transmedicalism

Gets strawmanned sooooooooooooo much here

Perhaps you think its a strawman, but it isn't to those of us who have been harmed by the things most transmeds say and call for.

Is bad and its proponents should feel bad.

Perhaps there's a case for it. But its proponents shouldn't feel bad. We believe that we're trying to help the trans community by keeping it medicalised so A) middle class trans people don't go bankrupt and B) poor trans people can actually get treatment.

We can maintain (or even increase) access to transition while eliminating the exclusionary and backwards standards used under 'medicalization'.

If it becomes demedicalised, it will become much harder for some people to transition.

Its already hard enough for many trans people to transition, because of the unnecessary and harmful restrictions powered by the standards you're defending. We can make it easier for all of us to transition by getting rid of those standards, and the restrictions they cause.

[Luminesa]

whatever body anyone is born in, identity has nothing to do with gender, physical or otherwise.

and there's at least FIVE (make that six) not four, not just just biological and counter biological male and female, that makes four, but there's also herms, biologically extremely rare, but psycologically not rare nor unnatural at all, and the total neutral neutral, yes it is possible,
those of us for whom gender has no logical place in everyday society, outside of the actual acts of sexual union and childbirth themselves.

so please, NOT four genders, but ALL six, at least.

the self, the awareness, mine anyway, is a formless, locationless blob of spirit energy.
granted my own is currently connected if not entirely attached,
to a physical form that is male and human,

but when that form becomes disfuntional, my true self, that spirit energy blob called a soul,
is just as likely to be born on any one of billions of sapiently populated worlds as any other,
and these populations, each having evolved on their own worlds, may not even have binary sexual reproduction,
but may reproduce in a number of other possible ways. ways that may require more then two genders, or ways that don't require any at all.

i think humans are just being increadibly silly to even make this a thing at all.
the body you occupy is an accident of circumstance and need not be of any particular consiquence at all,
were it not for completely arbitrary cultural perspectives.

...I'm sorry...six?

[Kowani]

whatever body anyone is born in, identity has nothing to do with gender, physical or otherwise.

and there's at least FIVE (make that six) not four, not just just biological and counter biological male and female, that makes four, but there's also herms, biologically extremely rare, but psycologically not rare nor unnatural at all, and the total neutral neutral, yes it is possible,
those of us for whom gender has no logical place in everyday society, outside of the actual acts of sexual union and childbirth themselves.

so please, NOT four genders, but ALL six, at least.

the self, the awareness, mine anyway, is a formless, locationless blob of spirit energy.
granted my own is currently connected if not entirely attached,
to a physical form that is male and human,

but when that form becomes disfuntional, my true self, that spirit energy blob called a soul,
is just as likely to be born on any one of billions of sapiently populated worlds as any other,
and these populations, each having evolved on their own worlds, may not even have binary sexual reproduction,
but may reproduce in a number of other possible ways. ways that may require more then two genders, or ways that don't require any at all.

i think humans are just being increadibly silly to even make this a thing at all.
the body you occupy is an accident of circumstance and need not be of any particular consiquence at all,
were it not for completely arbitrary cultural perspectives.

...I'm sorry...six?

There seems to be a whole range of XY chromosome allocations.

[Saciu]

Gets strawmanned sooooooooooooo much here

Perhaps you think its a strawman, but it isn't to those of us who have been harmed by the things most transmeds say and call for.

Perhaps there's a case for it. But its proponents shouldn't feel bad. We believe that we're trying to help the trans community by keeping it medicalised so A) middle class trans people don't go bankrupt and B) poor trans people can actually get treatment.

We can maintain (or even increase) access to transition while eliminating the exclusionary and backwards standards used under 'medicalization'.

If it becomes demedicalised, it will become much harder for some people to transition.

Its already hard enough for many trans people to transition, because of the unnecessary and harmful restrictions powered by the standards you're defending. We can make it easier for all of us to transition by getting rid of those standards, and the restrictions they cause.

No. Here, I'm only able to get treatment because it is covered by the NHS. If it were demedicalised, it wouldn't be covered by the NHS. Though I don't support exclusionism - nor do most transmeds. There's absolutely NO point debating that here, though.

[Auzkhia]

My problem with transmedicalism is largely a concern of gatekeeping, and that it won't be helpful for questioning people who are entertaining the idea of transition because of how often it leaves the impression of thinking you might not be dysphoric or trans enough to do it.

Not sure if it is inherent to the idea, but a lot of proponents often disqualify non-binary and gender non-conforming trans people, and buying into respectability politics that motivate said gatekeeping.

Informed consent and being covered as an essential service should not go away for those who are physically transitioning, but medicalizing being trans would put pressure people into getting procedures they may not want, and only did it to clear the gate and fit in with the real transsexuals™.

[West Leas Oros 2]

...I'm sorry...six?

There seems to be a whole range of XY chromosome allocations.

roll 1d% to determine your chromosome allocations

[Proctopeo]

My problem with transmedicalism is largely a concern of gatekeeping,

Gatekeeping is not fundamentally a bad thing.

and that it won't be helpful for questioning people who are entertaining the idea of transition because of how often it leaves the impression of thinking you might not be dysphoric or trans enough to do it.

That's a good thing, though; transitioning unnecessarily causes problems instead of resolving them, and only some effects are reversible. People should question if their dysphoria is significant (or even exists in the first place) before taking action.

Not sure if it is inherent to the idea, but a lot of proponents often disqualify non-binary and gender non-conforming trans people,

Most of what I see is just disqualification of total lunacy; more grounded non-binary identities just get some skepticism leveled against them (which I think is warranted, since much of it seems rooted in gender stereotypes).

and buying into respectability politics that motivate said gatekeeping.

"Respectability politics" is code for "someone told me to stop being an asshole and that makes me feel ANGRY" more often than not.

Informed consent and being covered as an essential service should not go away for those who are physically transitioning, but medicalizing being trans would put pressure people into getting procedures they may not want, and only did it to clear the gate and fit in with the real transsexuals™.

Given how insurance, private or public, tends to act, you can't have both.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What is a transmedicalism?

[Cekoviu]

What is a transmedicalism?

It's when somebody goes back to school to be a medical specialist such as a gynecologist. I have no idea why we're talking about it here.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

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transmedicalism

Is the correct opinion.

Is actually not.

What is a transmedicalism?

The belief that someone isn’t really Trans unless they have gender dysphoria and go through all the surgeries.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What is a transmedicalism?

It's when somebody goes back to school to be a medical specialist such as a gynecologist. I have no idea why we're talking about it here.

Is it though? the thread seems to say otherwise....

[West Leas Oros 2]

Is the correct opinion.

Is actually not.

What is a transmedicalism?

The belief that someone isn’t really Trans unless they have gender dysphoria and go through all the surgeries.

Ah, I see. What does it even mean to be "really Trans" anyway?

[Proctopeo]

Is the correct opinion.

Is actually not.

It is.

What is a transmedicalism?

The belief that someone isn’t really Trans unless they have gender dysphoria and go through all the surgeries.

Not quite...

[Saciu]

Is the correct opinion.

Is actually not.

What is a transmedicalism?

The belief that someone isn’t really Trans unless they have gender dysphoria and go through all the surgeries.

...No. It is simply the belief that being trans has a medical reason.