TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Fahran]

And yet again this thread has disappeared from my "view your posts" list.

Weird. I've never had that problem. Maybe it's a bug?

[The New California Republic]

And yet again this thread has disappeared from my "view your posts" list.

Weird. I've never had that problem. Maybe it's a bug?

I keep meaning to report it, because it has happened to me at least a dozen times now.

[Fahran]

Is useless at best.

I disagree. This is an argument.

I think you can conjure up a bit more than that if you disagree.

[Cekoviu]

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transmedicalism

Is the correct opinion.

I also disagree. This is another argument.

I disagree. This is an argument.

I think you can conjure up a bit more than that if you disagree.

Better?

[Grenartia]

For those here interested in graphic novels, Marvel released a graphic novel describing the experience and activism of 12yo transgender advocate Rebekah. Her story is a pretty interesting one.

Marvel's Hero Project — the first nonscripted production from the superhero studio — recounts Rebekah's remarkable journey as a young activist. The docuseries shows that, in addition to a being public advocate, Rebekah is a role model for other young trans people in a support group and a singer in her Christian church, where her father is a pastor. She even spoke about her story at a youth conference organized by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America in 2018.

The episode of Marvel's Hero Project also shows her coming-out journey. She articulated that she was trans by age 8, when her mother outlined the LGBTQ acronym after a search for gender-nonconforming bathing suits.

Below, Rebekah and her mother, Jamie, discuss the episode, her activism, a surprise appearance from a possibility model, and her own history-making role as the first transgender hero in a Marvel production.

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Shit, if I could afford a comic, I'd get it.

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transmedicalism

Is bad and its proponents should feel bad.

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transmedicalism

It's pertinent in any discussion where we propose to employ horomone therapy and/or gender reassignment surgery as covered and medically supported treatments for a medical condition known as gender dysphoria, in this context not excluding diagnosable body and social dysphoria. That is not to say that we should invalidate the gender identity of people who are not suffering from gender dysphoria but, rather, that we do not need to treat their transgender identity as a medical concern because, frankly, it isn't one. And I don't suspect that's going to be a popular opinion here.

Nobody's saying medical professionals shouldn't be involved in transition. But the core idea behind transmedicalism is that they are the sole arbiters of whether or not a trans individual is valid enough to get to transition, and more often than not, only binary people and those with certain kinds of physical gender dysphoria get deemed "valid". Furthermore, the gatekeepers also have a history of denying you access to transition if you wouldn't pass, or if you're not exclusively heterosexual relative to your gender identity, and any number of countless other bullshit reasons.

Weird. I've never had that problem. Maybe it's a bug?

I keep meaning to report it, because it has happened to me at least a dozen times now.

You should do that.

[Cekoviu]

And yet again this thread has disappeared from my "view your posts" list.

Weird. I've never had that problem. Maybe it's a bug?

No, phpBB has a feature that eases the pain of cis people having to read lengthy arguments about transmedicalism by deleting threads from their view when the topic arises. It's generally been received quite well.

[The New California Republic]

I keep meaning to report it, because it has happened to me at least a dozen times now.

You should do that.

Done.

Weird. I've never had that problem. Maybe it's a bug?

No, phpBB has a feature that eases the pain of cis people having to read lengthy arguments about transmedicalism by deleting threads from their view when the topic arises. It's generally been received quite well.

[Mamori-tai]

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transmedicalism

Is useless at best.

And makes young trans kids terrified of being themselves out of fear for being "trenders" at worse.

I hate the popularity of people like Kalvin Garrah.

Also, most medical sources seem to state that most trans people have dysphoria, but not all - so there's that.

[Cekoviu]

Is useless at best.

And makes young trans kids terrified of being themselves out of fear for being "trenders" at worse.

I hate the popularity of people like Kalvin Garrah.

Also, most medical sources seem to state that most trans people have dysphoria, but not all - so there's that.

You should not be trans unless you have or had some kind of dysphoria. It is possible to be trans without dysphoria, however.

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[Cekoviu]

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This is some quality low-effort shitposting. Makes the attack helicopter meme look like the Odyssey.

[Fahran]

Nobody's saying medical professionals shouldn't be involved in transition. But the core idea behind transmedicalism is that they are the sole arbiters of whether or not a trans individual is valid enough to get to transition, and more often than not, only binary people and those with certain kinds of physical gender dysphoria get deemed "valid". Furthermore, the gatekeepers also have a history of denying you access to transition if you wouldn't pass, or if you're not exclusively heterosexual relative to your gender identity, and any number of countless other bullshit reasons.

I'm distinguishing between people who transition to treat mental health issues and/or gender dysphoria and people who transition for reasons unrelated to either of those - gender euphoria, social preference, and such. I'm not arguing that anyone is necessarily invalid, but, rather, that transitioning is not a set of medically necessary procedures for people who aren't experiencing adverse health effects as a result of their trans identity and dysphoria. It's more cosmetic, personal, and social than medical in that context. Though, if they elect to transition, they shouldn't be barred from it. It just shouldn't be covered in the same way.

[Fahran]

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You can add a P if you want, I guess.

[Cekoviu]

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You can add a P if you want, I guess.

Also, that conclusion simply doesn't follow in any way, shape, or form. The image also is unrelated. It's a rich tapestry.

[Grenartia]

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Like, do you actually want an answer, or are you just hunting for an easy notch on your "how many snowflakes I triggered" scoreboard?

Nobody's saying medical professionals shouldn't be involved in transition. But the core idea behind transmedicalism is that they are the sole arbiters of whether or not a trans individual is valid enough to get to transition, and more often than not, only binary people and those with certain kinds of physical gender dysphoria get deemed "valid". Furthermore, the gatekeepers also have a history of denying you access to transition if you wouldn't pass, or if you're not exclusively heterosexual relative to your gender identity, and any number of countless other bullshit reasons.

I'm distinguishing between people who transition to treat mental health issues and/or gender dysphoria and people who transition for reasons unrelated to either of those - gender euphoria, social preference, and such. I'm not arguing that anyone is necessarily invalid, but, rather, that transitioning is not a set of medically necessary procedures for people who aren't experiencing adverse health effects as a result of their trans identity and dysphoria. It's more cosmetic, personal, and social than medical in that context. Though, if they elect to transition, they shouldn't be barred from it. It just shouldn't be covered in the same way.

I mean, I broadly agree, but that's not transmedicalism.

[Fahran]

I mean, I broadly agree, but that's not transmedicalism.

I could see my perspective being painted as transmedicalism by some and, in all frankness, I'm not absolutely adverse to some degree of gatekeeping when we're discussing gender-specific settings. Really, my stance is basic common sense and respect for everyone else's comfort - whether they be cis or trans. If you're a hulking five hundred pound non-binary trans-woman who hasn't even contemplated transition, maybe don't go into gender-exclusive settings when it'll freak everyone else there out and make them feel unsafe. On the flip-side, don't genital check people walking into gender-exclusive settings or be an ass to people who are minding their own business. Those are mostly hypothetical in all frankness because I've never actually met a trans-person who didn't pass to some degree even before some of the more major surgeries. I can't really think of many high-profile trans activists and personalities who would make me feel uncomfortable either.

[Adamantaean Magocrate]

I'm not arguing that anyone is necessarily invalid, but, rather, that transitioning is not a set of medically necessary procedures for people who aren't experiencing adverse health effects as a result of their trans identity and dysphoria. It's more cosmetic, personal, and social than medical in that context. Though, if they elect to transition, they shouldn't be barred from it. It just shouldn't be covered in the same way.

I'm not aware of anyone who has done HRT who wasn't experiencing some form of dysphoria, one doesn't typically just do it for the hell of it.

[Auzkhia]

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transmedicalism

It's trash ideology that validates transphobia over trans people.

Is useless at best.

And makes young trans kids terrified of being themselves out of fear for being "trenders" at worse.

I hate the popularity of people like Kalvin Garrah.

Also, most medical sources seem to state that most trans people have dysphoria, but not all - so there's that.

Personally I don't care about needing dysphoria to be trans, but people like him are even worse is that he indirectly harasses people, especially nonbinary and gender non conforming trans people.

[Fahran]

I'm not aware of anyone who has done HRT who wasn't experiencing some form of dysphoria, one doesn't typically just do it for the hell of it.

There are trans people who don't necessarily suffer from dysphoria according to a few different organizations and I believe that even a couple people active in this thread have mentioned that they aren't necessarily suffering from dysphoria, but don't quote me on that. I'd rather not speak for anyone else's experiences.

Horrible source but I'll take it as a primer given it popped up first.

[Adamantaean Magocrate]

There are trans people who don't necessarily suffer from dysphoria according to a few different organizations and I believe that even a couple people active in this thread have mentioned that they aren't necessarily suffering from dysphoria, but don't quote me on that. I'd rather not speak for anyone else's experiences.

I'd be curious if they've done HRT then?

[Ifreann]

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This is some quality low-effort shitposting. Makes the attack helicopter meme look like the Odyssey.

Big bonus points for finding an image with a watermark over the bottom text.

[The New California Republic]

This is some quality low-effort shitposting. Makes the attack helicopter meme look like the Odyssey.

Big bonus points for finding an image with a watermark over the bottom text.

[CivitasDei]

This is some quality low-effort shitposting. Makes the attack helicopter meme look like the Odyssey.

Big bonus points for finding an image with a watermark over the bottom text.

Imagine hating enbies but being so low energy you can’t even make your own post. Instead, you have to get a midget to present a strawman in a meme.

[Fahran]

I'd be curious if they've done HRT then?

You'd have to ask them. Really, I wouldn't be able to give personal advice or testimony on anything related to being transgender or having body dysphoria. I can only send loving vibes towards people and tell them that they matter and are beautiful.

[Saciu]

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transmedicalism

Gets strawmanned sooooooooooooo much here