TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Philjia]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

"God doesn't hate trans people he just hates that they exist"
That's you.
And every fucking religious person trying to bend over backwards to try to make their bastard deities not bastards somehow.
At least people who make liberal readings of religious texts have the guts to just change the nasty parts of doctrine to better suit their desire for a deity that isn't a bastard.

[New haven america]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

Being trans isn't a sin.....

Yes it is.

Hell, crossdressing is a sin. Men can't wear skirts and women can't wear pants.

[New haven america]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

"God doesn't hate trans people he just hates that they exist"
That's you.
And every fucking religious person trying to bend over backwards to try to make their bastard deities not bastards somehow.
At least people who make liberal readings of religious texts have the guts to just change the nasty parts of doctrine to better suit their desire for a deity that isn't a bastard.

And when you try to call out these behaviors or ideas, you get called a fedora wearing atheist.

Even if you're a Christian who's researched the bloody book.

[True Refuge]

"God doesn't hate trans people he just hates that they exist"
That's you.
And every fucking religious person trying to bend over backwards to try to make their bastard deities not bastards somehow.
At least people who make liberal readings of religious texts have the guts to just change the nasty parts of doctrine to better suit their desire for a deity that isn't a bastard.

And when you try to call out these behaviors or ideas, you get called a fedora wearing atheist.

Even if you're a Christian who's researched the bloody book.

Even then there’s the question of why God would create gender dysphoria. It’s not linked to free will, it’s just making some people’s lives harder for no reason but “this is a test lmao sorry for fucking up your childhood mental health because I forbid you from transitioning even if you repressed your identity”.

[Ifreann]

And when you try to call out these behaviors or ideas, you get called a fedora wearing atheist.

Even if you're a Christian who's researched the bloody book.

Even then there’s the question of why God would create gender dysphoria. It’s not linked to free will, it’s just making some people’s lives harder for no reason but “this is a test lmao sorry for fucking up your childhood mental health because I forbid you from transitioning even if you repressed your identity”.

Psst.

There is no God.

[True Refuge]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

Therefore, MLK’s activism politicised being black. Okay.

Why would God craft someone’s brain in a way that results in gender dysphoria later on if xe wanted them to be cis?

[True Refuge]

Even then there’s the question of why God would create gender dysphoria. It’s not linked to free will, it’s just making some people’s lives harder for no reason but “this is a test lmao sorry for fucking up your childhood mental health because I forbid you from transitioning even if you repressed your identity”.

Psst.

There is no God.

Well duh. But that’s not going to get a Christian to change their mind on their perception of GSRM issues.

[Ifreann]

Psst.

There is no God.

Well duh. But that’s not going to get a Christian to change their mind on their perception of GSRM issues.

But sometimes it's fun to just reject God and not even entertain Christian arguments.

[True Refuge]

Well duh. But that’s not going to get a Christian to change their mind on their perception of GSRM issues.

But sometimes it's fun to just reject God and not even entertain Christian arguments.

I prefer referencing Lawrence Freedman’s interpretation of God’s intentions from his book Strategy: A History, in which the Old Testament God is thought to be a narcissist who manipulates both good and evil in order to maximise the amount of glory they can bask in afterwards.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Y'all, don't bother with the pepe's bait. It ain't worth it.

[True Refuge]

Y'all, don't bother with the pepe's bait. It ain't worth it.

Hasn’t this thread seen much worse opinions that are completely genuine?

It’s not an accomplishment to ‘bait’ people using relatively moderate opinions.

[Cekoviu]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

Some argue that the soul being created prior to the body and people being created the way they are justifies transitioning, since there's no reason the body is always reflective of the soul. Much less of a strerch than this silliness.

[Auzkhia]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

10-15 years ago, you'd saying this word for word about gay and queer people, and specifically same-sex marriage rather than trans and nb people transitioning.

[CivitasDei]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

10-15 years ago, you'd saying this word for word about gay and queer people, and specifically same-sex marriage rather than trans and nb people transitioning.

He’s yer dad, as PhilosophyTube would put it

[Auzkhia]

10-15 years ago, you'd saying this word for word about gay and queer people, and specifically same-sex marriage rather than trans and nb people transitioning.

He’s yer dad, as PhilosophyTube would put it

Maybe, not really? I remember people saying this exact stuff specifically about gay and queer people, they used Christian language, argumentum ad Biblia, saying God made you a certain way, and of course my favorite line "love the sinner, hate the sin". This is the same rhetoric but they replaced the word gay with trans.

[Hediacrana]

He’s yer dad, as PhilosophyTube would put it

Maybe, not really? I remember people saying this exact stuff specifically about gay and queer people, they used Christian language, argumentum ad Biblia, saying God made you a certain way, and of course my favorite line "love the sinner, hate the sin". This is the same rhetoric but they replaced the word gay with trans.

Yup. And in many cases, continue to say it about gay people too - even though social conservatives at large seems to have moved on to trans and non-binary people as their favorite scapegoat. René Girard could have a field day with this.

Anyhow, as we're back to the good old 'being a Christian equals being anti-LGBTQ' bullshit (despite a ton of LGBTQ-affirming denominations and congregations and despite the fact that queer theology has been around for decades), it feels like a fine day for posting an alternative take again. This one is from Desmond Tutu in 2013:

Archbishop Desmond Tutu says God demands he speak out for LGBT rights.

The 81-year-old anti-apartheid champion has also welcomed the new Pope and his softer line on gay people.

He made the comments in an interview ahead of Butler University and neighboring Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis, USA naming a new center for him.

Tutu said: ‘Anywhere where the humanity of people is undermined, anywhere where people are left in the dust, there we will find our cause. Sometimes you wish you could keep quiet.

‘It’s the kind of thing you heard the prophet Jeremiah complain of where he says, “You know God, I didn’t want to be a prophet and you made me speak words of condemnation against a people I love deeply. Your word is like a fire burning in my breast.”

‘It isn’t that it’s questionable when you speak up for the right of people with different sexual orientation. People took some part of us and used it to discriminate against us. In our case, it was our ethnicity; it’s precisely the same thing for sexual orientation. People are killed because they’re gay.

‘I don’t think, “What do I want to do today? I want to speak up on gay rights.” No. It’s God catching me by my neck. I wish I could keep quiet about the plight of the Palestinians. I can’t!’

The interviewer from the Religion News Service went on to ask what he thought of Pope Francis and his recent comment on gay people ‘Who am I to judge?’

Tutu said: ‘He’s a tremendous breath of fresh air. The things he has done in a short period of time: the fact that he does not live in a huge papal mansion and just dropped by in the dining room where ordinary people have meals.

‘I’ve got to say to you that I’m so, so thrilled that he is there at this crucial moment in the history of our world.’

Nobel Peace Prize winner Tutu has repeatedly argued for LGBT rights, making headlines by likening Uganda’s ‘Kill the Gays’ Bill to apartheid.

Earlier this year he backed a United Nations gay rights campaign saying: ‘I am as passionate about this [United Nations] campaign as I ever was about apartheid. For me, it is at the same level.’

And he added: ‘I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.

‘I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. I would much rather go to the other place.'

[Veceria]

He’s yer dad, as PhilosophyTube would put it

Maybe, not really? I remember people saying this exact stuff specifically about gay and queer people, they used Christian language, argumentum ad Biblia, saying God made you a certain way, and of course my favorite line "love the sinner, hate the sin". This is the same rhetoric but they replaced the word gay with trans.

It's the typical "search for a common enemy to unite against" approach. Christianity in most developed countries is on a slow decline, so they try to get more people by attacking whoever society is currently "unsure" about. Same why Christian officials in nearly all eastern European countries join any single right-wing party in spewing hate against immigrants, non-heterosexuality, non-gendercomformity, etc. They just think it strengthens their base, totally ignorant that this will just turn even more people away from religion.

[The Blaatschapen]

I don’t have any prejudice against the gay community and so forth. It’s just that it doesn’t agree with me. I’m a hardcore Lutheran who follows the Bible closely. I’m just saying that the LGBTQ+ community is simply over politicized. Say to a Christian being a trans has morals to me because the Bible says no. Because God created you the way you are he knew you before you were conceived in the womb. So why would you want to change something beautiful that God created and loves? God doesn’t hate trans people he hates the sin.

I'm saying that the Christian community is over politicized. There are more openly christian people in public office than openly trans ones

[Hediacrana]

Maybe, not really? I remember people saying this exact stuff specifically about gay and queer people, they used Christian language, argumentum ad Biblia, saying God made you a certain way, and of course my favorite line "love the sinner, hate the sin". This is the same rhetoric but they replaced the word gay with trans.

It's the typical "search for a common enemy to unite against" approach. Christianity in most developed countries is on a slow decline, so they try to get more people by attacking whoever society is currently "unsure" about. Same why Christian officials in nearly all eastern European countries join any single right-wing party in spewing hate against immigrants, non-heterosexuality, non-gendercomformity, etc. They just think it strengthens their base, totally ignorant that this will just turn even more people away from religion.

As I said, René Girard could have a field day with how LGBTQ folks are treated by conservative politicians.

[Hediacrana]

And yet another region will start to allow non-binary birth certificates: the Canadian province of Manitoba. The province was also forced to pay 50 000 in damages to the pangender person who filed the complaint that made this possible.

[Fahran]

And yet another region will start to allow non-binary birth certificates: the Canadian province of Manitoba. The province was also forced to pay 50 000 in damages to the pangender person who filed the complaint that made this possible.

What precisely does it mean to be pangender? This isn't a snide comment either. I'm genuinely curious since it's an identification I've never heard of.

[Grenartia]

So, I've had a stressful and busy week lately. Working on a post now to address all the bullshit that's popped up since my last post.

[Hediacrana]

And yet another region will start to allow non-binary birth certificates: the Canadian province of Manitoba. The province was also forced to pay 50 000 in damages to the pangender person who filed the complaint that made this possible.

What precisely does it mean to be pangender? This isn't a snide comment either. I'm genuinely curious since it's an identification I've never heard of.

In my understanding, it means that one does not feel limited to a particular gender, but can identify as a member of all gender categories simultaneously. However, as it is not how I personally identify, please do not put too much stock in that description.

The main point of me sharing the article is not so much what particular gender the person under consideration identifies as, but that this is yet another jurisdiction where the needs of non-binary people are acknowledged.

[Cekoviu]

So, I've had a stressful and busy week lately. Working on a post now to address all the bullshit that's popped up since my last post.

Could you maybe split it into multiple posts? The massive posts are hard to quote.

[Nakena]

So, I've had a stressful and busy week lately. Working on a post now to address all the bullshit that's popped up since my last post.

Could you maybe split it into multiple posts? The massive posts are hard to quote.

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