TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Thermodolia]

I did read the article. And as I explained there is no way that the kid made his own decision as a kid at two and four years old has no concept of what a girl is other than the fact that they wear dresses and play with dolls.

"This can't be possible because I think kids are too stupid to think for themselves" is not sound logic.

I’m not saying that kids are too stupid to think for themselves but at a certain point in time children do not understand certain topics or what they mean. My little brothers played with dolls and wore dresses, according to this ladies logic and yours they should be considered trans and have had drugs injected into them yet neither of them are trans.

Maybe we should stop forcing stereotypes on people

[Vassenor]

Besides, painting acceptance of trans kids as child abuse is pretty textbook concern trolling.

[Thermodolia]

Besides, painting acceptance of trans kids as child abuse is pretty textbook concern trolling.

I’m not trolling, concern or otherwise, just because I have an opinion that you don’t agree with doesn’t make it trolling.

And this isn’t acceptance of trans kids because they kid has no idea what trans even means and thinks that girls just wear dresses and play with dolls, so therefore because he wears dresses and plays with dolls he’s a girl.

The mother is playing to these horrible stereotypes about women and men. It’s quite frankly patriarchal bullshit that the mother is spreading. Call me a TERF if ya want but that’s the cold hard truth.

[Ifreann]

"This can't be possible because I think kids are too stupid to think for themselves" is not sound logic.

I’m not saying that kids are too stupid to think for themselves but at a certain point in time children do not understand certain topics or what they mean. My little brothers played with dolls and wore dresses, according to this ladies logic and yours they should be considered trans and have had drugs injected into them yet neither of them are trans.

Maybe we should stop forcing stereotypes on people

Is that how you think it works? Trans people are just shot full of drugs once they're known to be trans?

[Vassenor]

Besides, painting acceptance of trans kids as child abuse is pretty textbook concern trolling.

I’m not trolling, concern or otherwise, just because I have an opinion that you don’t agree with doesn’t make it trolling.

And this isn’t acceptance of trans kids because they kid has no idea what trans even means and thinks that girls just wear dresses and play with dolls, so therefore because he wears dresses and plays with dolls he’s a girl.

The mother is playing to these horrible stereotypes about women and men. It’s quite frankly patriarchal bullshit that the mother is spreading. Call me a TERF if ya want but that’s the cold hard truth.

Yet your only evidence of this is the fact you think kids are too stupid to think for themselves. The mother outright stated that all she took away from "wants to wear dresses and play with dolls" was that her kid was GNC.

[Luminesa]

I did read the article. And as I explained there is no way that the kid made his own decision as a kid at two and four years old has no concept of what a girl is other than the fact that they wear dresses and play with dolls.

"This can't be possible because I think kids are too stupid to think for themselves" is not sound logic.

The child isn’t “stupid”, at this stage in their development they’re learning about their identities for the first time. But it’s not usually a solid thing. Kids aren’t always aware that, “Oh, girls play with baby dolls and boys play with blocks,” unless that’s how they play with toys at home. Parents are responsible for helping children mold their identities early, and they should help them to be healthy and happy. Children at this age are not, and should not, however, be responsible for deciding their identities all on their own. They don’t have the emotional maturity to do so. At the same time, when they’re very little it’s hard to distinguish the child’s thoughts and feelings from those of their parents. It’s a tricky equation. There’s a difference, however, between forcing a child to become a projection of yourself, and encouraging a child to grow alongside you and to build a positive relationship with them.

[Vassenor]

"This can't be possible because I think kids are too stupid to think for themselves" is not sound logic.

The child isn’t “stupid”, at this stage in their development they’re learning about their identities for the first time. But it’s not usually a solid thing. Kids aren’t always aware that, “Oh, girls play with baby dolls and boys play with blocks,” unless that’s how they play with toys at home. Parents are responsible for helping children mold their identities early, and they should help them to be healthy and happy. Children at this age are not, and should not, however, be responsible for deciding their identities all on their own. They don’t have the emotional maturity to do so. At the same time, when they’re very little it’s hard to distinguish the child’s thoughts and feelings from those of their parents. It’s a tricky equation. There’s a difference, however, between forcing a child to become a projection of yourself, and encouraging a child to grow alongside you and to build a positive relationship with them.

And your evidence that the mother is projecting this is...?

[Thermodolia]

I’m not trolling, concern or otherwise, just because I have an opinion that you don’t agree with doesn’t make it trolling.

And this isn’t acceptance of trans kids because they kid has no idea what trans even means and thinks that girls just wear dresses and play with dolls, so therefore because he wears dresses and plays with dolls he’s a girl.

The mother is playing to these horrible stereotypes about women and men. It’s quite frankly patriarchal bullshit that the mother is spreading. Call me a TERF if ya want but that’s the cold hard truth.

Yet your only evidence of this is the fact you think kids are too stupid to think for themselves.

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

The mother outright stated that all she took away from "wants to wear dresses and play with dolls" was that her kid was GNC.

And then claimed that her two year old asked where the girls clothes are in the store when they went shopping. Ya right. What two year old is going to ask that? Literally none. This reeks of woke kids Twitter and it’s a shame that you can’t see it

[Vassenor]

Yet your only evidence of this is the fact you think kids are too stupid to think for themselves.

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

The mother outright stated that all she took away from "wants to wear dresses and play with dolls" was that her kid was GNC.

And then claimed that her two year old asked where the girls clothes are in the store when they went shopping. Ya right. What two year old is going to ask that? Literally none. This reeks of woke kids Twitter and it’s a shame that you can’t see it

It's a shame I won't buy into your assumptions about what kids think?

[Ifreann]

Yet your only evidence of this is the fact you think kids are too stupid to think for themselves.

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

[Vassenor]

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

And doing so totally isn't child abuse at all. It's just natural.

[Ifreann]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

And doing so totally isn't child abuse at all. It's just natural.

That is the long and short of it. People don't want to let trans kids be trans because they think that being trans is bad.

[Thermodolia]

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.


And then claimed that her two year old asked where the girls clothes are in the store when they went shopping. Ya right. What two year old is going to ask that? Literally none. This reeks of woke kids Twitter and it’s a shame that you can’t see it

It's a shame I won't buy into your assumptions about what kids think?

It’s not assumptions when it’s backed up by Science, life experience, and spending years around kids. Children at the ages of 2 through five really have no concept about themselves. There is no way that a kid at the age of two asked where the girls dresses are in a sassy hands on hips way. That’s just impossible, unless the kid is a child prodigy which i highly doubt is the case here.

Also it’s completely fine and ok to call out parts of your own movements. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s how we figure out ourselves and move away from being a mindless drone. Which for the record I do not think that you or anyone else in this thread is a mindless drone.

[Thermodolia]

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

No I’m saying that we don’t do anything until they reach the age of 10. There’s nothing wrong with that. Also being Cis isn’t a problem since Trans individuals only make up some .01% of the population. It would be a different story if Trans individuals made up some 6% of the population

[Thermodolia]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

And doing so totally isn't child abuse at all. It's just natural.

Again there’s a difference in doing nothing and actively trying to beat the trans out of someone

[Ifreann]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

No I’m saying that we don’t do anything until they reach the age of 10. There’s nothing wrong with that.

You're saying force trans kids to be cis until they're 10. That's very wrong.

Also being Cis isn’t a problem since Trans individuals only make up some .01% of the population. It would be a different story if Trans individuals made up some 6% of the population

Forcing even one child to live as the wrong gender is a problem.

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And doing so totally isn't child abuse at all. It's just natural.

Again there’s a difference in doing nothing and actively trying to beat the trans out of someone

You call it "doing nothing" but it's not "doing nothing". You're talking about spending ten years telling a little girl that her name is John and she's a boy and telling everyone who knows her that she's a boy.

Or are you saying that what you want is radical gender neutral parenting? I doubt that.

[Greed and Death]

Because they are. Kids do not understand the same concepts as adults or as teens or older kids. There’s nothing wrong with stating that.

However young kids shouldn’t be forced into being trans because they have no concept of the idea. Like Vegan Cats trans kids didn’t make the decision.

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

[Vassenor]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

So you're advocating for child abuse then?

[Galloism]

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

So you're advocating for child abuse then?

Huh, I never thought I’d see the day where Vassenor suggests that allowing a kid to explore their gender identity is child abuse.

[Philjia]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

Puberty blockers are a good compromise for children since the effects aren't permanent.

[Ifreann]

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

So you're advocating for child abuse then?

Um, no?

[Vassenor]

So you're advocating for child abuse then?

Um, no?

But I thought we'd established that trans kid acceptance was child abuse and how dare people suggest otherwise.

[Cekoviu]

Um, no?

But I thought we'd established that trans kid acceptance was child abuse and how dare people suggest otherwise.

What the fuck? Can you just argue like, normally for once?

[Greed and Death]

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

Puberty blockers are a good compromise for children since the effects aren't permanent.

correct. I a view those as a delaying factor.

It is a great way to avoid deciding at 12 and waiting until about 14 15 or 16.

[Cekoviu]

But young kids should be forced into being cis, a concept they fully and completely understand from birth.

Ding winner. Prepubetry sex differences are small and a large part of gender is cultural and worst case scenario here for letting the kid assume a different gender role is you have some funny photos. Worst case scenario for forcing a gender role on a kid is he develops depression, anxiety, and host of other mental illnesses and commit suicide in his teens or early adult life. So weighing worst case vs worst case if you child wants to explore a different gender identity let them.

Puberty brings up if you should use hormone treatment. As these tend to be more permanent I have hesitancy but as long as appropriate safeguards such as the dr.'s being licensed and a second opinion being sought see above and get the hormone treatment.

Thank you, this is exactly correct. I'm glad somebody's got some sense.