TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

That means our understanding of physics was wrong

In what way?

not our understanding of logic.

Siding with pure logic over observed reality is the first step on the road to ruin. If you doubt me, then you've never heard of the double slit experiment, because it is very much a phenomenon that defies pure logic.

The same could be the case with gender, but if male and female are opposites, you cannot be both.

I'm not buying it.

Logic describes reality, because reality obeys causality.
In this case, our understanding of physics was wrong in that positive and negative are not necessarily logical opposites.

[Auzkhia]

Certain people here are bent up and saying that something cannot occupy more than one space on a spectrum. If however, we consider gender to be a function, well... those occupy more than one space all the time.

Isn't occupying more than one place on a gender function just genderfluidity?

Yes, or bigender.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

In what way?



Siding with pure logic over observed reality is the first step on the road to ruin. If you doubt me, then you've never heard of the double slit experiment, because it is very much a phenomenon that defies pure logic.



I'm not buying it.

Again, quantum mechanics. Jeez.

Pure ideology. *sniff*

[Risastorstein]

To answer the question about how "man" and "woman" are defined, I just looked up both terms on Google and neither definition so much as mentions biology.

The first link gives me "man: Larva of the cockchafer also called white worm" lol. And for woman "adult human female", so if we say that female is a biology term, it's defined by biology...

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Gender identity is still a very unexplored field in science. All that can be said with any certainty is that it isn't determined by chromosomes or genitals, and is not a mutually-exclusive binary. Beyond that, it's very much a terra incognita.

So your earlier posts sound like appeal to authority... And gender is defined mostly by biological factors eg the story of David Reimer and brain imaging...

Gender may be based on biology, but scientific consensus on the topic is that if it is at all, the biological factors involved are not the reproductive organs.

[Grenartia]

Say hi to Majorana fermions

I find it amusing that I mentioned earlier that gender doesn't follow the laws of quantum mechanics and now we're doing particle physics.

I think that gender identity and particle physics can be equally complicated.

Gender identity is still a very unexplored field in science. All that can be said with any certainty is that it isn't determined by chromosomes or genitals, and is not a mutually-exclusive binary. Beyond that, it's very much a terra incognita.

So your earlier posts sound like appeal to authority...

Please, by all means, elaborate.

And gender is defined mostly by biological factors eg the story of David Reimer and brain imaging...

If anything, David Reimer proves that gender is innate, but does not rule out psychology. And neither do the brain scans, tbh.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

To answer the question about how "man" and "woman" are defined, I just looked up both terms on Google and neither definition so much as mentions biology.

The first link gives me "man: Larva of the cockchafer also called white worm" lol. And for woman "adult human female", so if we say that female is a biology term, it's defined by biology...

And if we say it's not, then it's not, right? Or do you have something beyond "if we say it's biology, it's biology"?

[Cekoviu]

So your earlier posts sound like appeal to authority... And gender is defined mostly by biological factors eg the story of David Reimer and brain imaging...

Gender may be based on biology, but scientific consensus on the topic is that if it is at all, the biological factors involved are not the reproductive organs.

And cis women with XY chromosomes and vice versa demonstrate that gender also isn't strictly defined by chromosomes.

[Grenartia]

In what way?



Siding with pure logic over observed reality is the first step on the road to ruin. If you doubt me, then you've never heard of the double slit experiment, because it is very much a phenomenon that defies pure logic.



I'm not buying it.

Logic describes reality, because reality obeys causality.

Logic describes, but does not determine, reality. If something is objectively observed that runs counter to pure logic, then that does not mean it doesn't happen, simply because logic says it shouldn't happen.

In this case, our understanding of physics was wrong in that positive and negative are not necessarily logical opposites.

That's a galaxy brain take, right there.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I find it amusing that I mentioned earlier that gender doesn't follow the laws of quantum mechanics and now we're doing particle physics.

I think that gender identity and particle physics can be equally complicated.

So your earlier posts sound like appeal to authority...

Please, by all means, elaborate.

And gender is defined mostly by biological factors eg the story of David Reimer and brain imaging...

If anything, David Reimer proves that gender is innate, but does not rule out psychology. And neither do the brain scans, tbh.

Gender is complicated only insofar as the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.
Particle physics is complicated only because we can’t comprehend the most basic nature of reality.

[Risastorstein]

And cis women with XY chromosomes and vice versa demonstrate that gender also isn't strictly defined by chromosomes.

I mean, it would be more accurate to say "genes".

By the way, if there wasn't that strict gender roles in our societies, do you think gender dysphoria would still exist (ie if we let boys be more "woman-like" and girls be more "man-like" without singling them out)?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Logic describes reality, because reality obeys causality.

Logic describes, but does not determine, reality. If something is objectively observed that runs counter to pure logic, then that does not mean it doesn't happen, simply because logic says it shouldn't happen.

In this case, our understanding of physics was wrong in that positive and negative are not necessarily logical opposites.

That's a galaxy brain take, right there.

If logical opposites can be permitted, they aren’t opposites. I don’t know why that’s controversial for you.

[Risastorstein]

Gender is complicated only insofar as the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.
Particle physics is complicated only because we can’t comprehend the most basic nature of reality.

Gender seems complicated because the basic terms aren't well defined to begin with... If man/male were only biological and if we used masc for gender, it would be so much clearer.

[Grenartia]

I think that gender identity and particle physics can be equally complicated.



Please, by all means, elaborate.



If anything, David Reimer proves that gender is innate, but does not rule out psychology. And neither do the brain scans, tbh.

Gender is complicated only insofar as the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.
Particle physics is complicated only because we can’t comprehend the most basic nature of reality.

Because the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

And cis women with XY chromosomes and vice versa demonstrate that gender also isn't strictly defined by chromosomes.

I mean, it would be more accurate to say "genes".

By the way, if there wasn't that strict gender roles in our societies, do you think gender dysphoria would still exist (ie if we let boys be more "woman-like" and girls be more "man-like" without singling them out)?

Yeah. There's more to gender than gender roles.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Gender is complicated only insofar as the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.
Particle physics is complicated only because we can’t comprehend the most basic nature of reality.

Gender seems complicated because the basic terms aren't well defined to begin with... If man/male were only biological and if we used masc for gender, it would be so much clearer.

To an extent, but on another level, we do not even know the parts of gender.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Gender is complicated only insofar as the human mind is an irrational sack of meat.
Particle physics is complicated only because we can’t comprehend the most basic nature of reality.

Gender seems complicated because the basic terms aren't well defined to begin with... If man/male were only biological and if we used masc for gender, it would be so much clearer.

What if - and I'm just spitballing here - we used man/male for gender and masculine for sex, since not many people need to differentiate between the two on a day to day basis?

[Cekoviu]

And cis women with XY chromosomes and vice versa demonstrate that gender also isn't strictly defined by chromosomes.

I mean, it would be more accurate to say "genes".

By the way, if there wasn't that strict gender roles in our societies, do you think gender dysphoria would still exist (ie if we let boys be more "woman-like" and girls be more "man-like" without singling them out)?

Yes. Physical dysphoria and social dysphoria would both still exist, although the latter would be reduced.

[Necroghastia]

Gender seems complicated because the basic terms aren't well defined to begin with... If man/male were only biological and if we used masc for gender, it would be so much clearer.

What if - and I'm just spitballing here - we used man/male for gender and masculine for sex, since not many people need to differentiate between the two on a day to day basis?

Isn't masculine an adjective? It's probably more useful for gender presentation (not to be confused with gender itself).

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

What if - and I'm just spitballing here - we used man/male for gender and masculine for sex, since not many people need to differentiate between the two on a day to day basis?

Isn't masculine an adjective? It's probably more useful for gender presentation (not to be confused with gender itself).

You're probably right. I was just using it as an example of a word we're familiar with but don't typically use.

[Auzkhia]

What if - and I'm just spitballing here - we used man/male for gender and masculine for sex, since not many people need to differentiate between the two on a day to day basis?

Isn't masculine an adjective? It's probably more useful for gender presentation (not to be confused with gender itself).

Usually, masculine and feminine refer to gender expression and not identity.

Being a man, a woman, or a nonbinary person, doesn't mean you have to masculine, feminine, or androgynous even, you could mix and match the identity and presentation, and still keep the identity, and be gender nonconforming, something that gets conflated with being trans or nonbinary, even though one can be both of those, but not necessary.

[Mettaton-EX]

r/contrapoints now autofiltering all posts with the word "truscum" in them lmao

[Ifreann]

r/contrapoints now autofiltering all posts with the word "truscum" in them lmao

Reddit bad, you say?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

r/contrapoints now autofiltering all posts with the word "truscum" in them lmao

They anti- or pro-truscum, then?

[Mettaton-EX]

r/contrapoints now autofiltering all posts with the word "truscum" in them lmao

They anti- or pro-truscum, then?

take a wild guess

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