TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Luminesa]

TECHNICALLY angels don’t have a gender or a sex, since they’re spirits and beings of intellect. Even though we give them genders to make them characters we can understand. They wouldn’t qualify as trans, because they would not feel they are one when they appear as the other. They would know they have neither, and don’t exist as sexual beings.

Mettaton, the ghost-turned-robot from Undertale, not Metatron, the man-turned-Voice of God.

...OHHHHHHHHHHHH.

I clearly need more sleep. XD

[Cekoviu]

Disclaimer: Before there is a chorus of "but drag isn't the same as trans!"

I mean that and RuPaul's a bit of a transphobe.

While it is true drag and trans are different, and it is also true that RuPaul made transphobic comments, I'm glad TNCR shared this, for the reason that he shared it.

Also, I sometimes feel we insist on the distinction between drag and trans so much, and emphasize the difference between gender identity and expression to such a high degree (and both for good reasons, given the general public's ignorance and the mainstream tendency to conflate us with each other) that we end up minimizing the existing commonalities in experience between drag queens and transfeminine people (or drag kings and transmasculine people).

They may experience harassment for the way in which they express their gender. That is the sole commonality between us and drag queens; the similarities ought to be considered minimal because they are.

[Cappuccina]

While it is true drag and trans are different, and it is also true that RuPaul made transphobic comments, I'm glad TNCR shared this, for the reason that he shared it.

Also, I sometimes feel we insist on the distinction between drag and trans so much, and emphasize the difference between gender identity and expression to such a high degree (and both for good reasons, given the general public's ignorance and the mainstream tendency to conflate us with each other) that we end up minimizing the existing commonalities in experience between drag queens and transfeminine people (or drag kings and transmasculine people).

They may experience harassment for the way in which they express their gender. That is the sole commonality between us and drag queens; the similarities ought to be considered minimal because they are.

We all know people have a hard time actually thinking though.

[Auzkhia]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Welcome back, life hits people.

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Some good news is that I'll be legally my real name in a few days.

[Iciaros]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Welcome back, life hits people.

---

Some good news is that I'll be legally my real name in a few days.

Oh, that's awesome! Congrats!

[Soleos]

I'm disappointed we don't have a Kei Yuuki option

[Kowani]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Hit it back.

[Grenartia]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Welcome back, life hits people.

---

Some good news is that I'll be legally my real name in a few days.

Woohoo!

I'm disappointed we don't have a Kei Yuuki option

I don't believe anyone suggested that.

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Hit it back.

In order for that to happen, there'd need to be a large union presence at my workplace.

[Hediacrana]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Welcome back, life hits people.

---

Some good news is that I'll be legally my real name in a few days.

How exciting - congrats!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hey, I'm sorry I've been missing for *looks at calender* nearly 3 weeks. Real life has hit me like a fucking bus.

Welcome back, life hits people.

---

Some good news is that I'll be legally my real name in a few days.

Congrats on that, Auz.

[Kowani]

Hit it back.

In order for that to happen, there'd need to be a large union presence at my workplace.

Real quick-Unions are a good way to face corporate discrimination.

[Ifreann]

Trans rights and disability, a video by Human Rights Defender Ellen Murray.

That's her actual job title. Human Rights Defender. She's basically a super hero.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have a question regarding a particular person. John Maclean. Are they transgender? I’m never certain.

[Auzkhia]

I have a question regarding a particular person. John Maclean. Are they transgender? I’m never certain.

IIRC, he's a gender nonconforming cis guy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have a question regarding a particular person. John Maclean. Are they transgender? I’m never certain.

IIRC, he's a gender nonconforming cis guy.

So presenting female for aesthetic choices while still being cisgender? Or am I misunderstanding?

[Auzkhia]

IIRC, he's a gender nonconforming cis guy.

So presenting female for aesthetic choices while still being cisgender? Or am I misunderstanding?

Yeah, that's pretty much what gender non conformity is, having a presentation that is not typical or matching by choice to your identity.

[First American Empire]

The two aren't entirely separate, since there some trans people who've come to understand themselves through drag.

However, at a macro level, there's a lot of tension between transgender and drag for quite good reason. With its emphasis on "play", "costume", and parodying the very idea of gender for the amusement of a primarily cis audience, drag is very oppositional to the permanent, serious and usually assimilationist goals of transgender people.

It has also historically weaved uncomfortably close to a minstrel act, mostly saved from this only by the fact that it was people of a lower status "punching up", so in some ways it becomes less acceptable the more gay rights advance.

Trying to make it woke and modern with all these historical social and political orientations bouncing around is why you see people involved coming out with dinosaur-tier transphobic trash one minute, and then the next minute try to sell it as respectful and pro-transgender.

Drag blunders about claiming to be all about being true to yourself and liberated while fundamentally parodying the very idea of identity, and it makes a lot of its downtrodden history while clumsily blundering into punching sideways at cis women and downwards at transwomen. It's loud, it's proud, it doesn't know what it is, and it hasn't made any cohesive effort to come to terms with its history and its contemporary implications. No wonder the queer theorists love it!

Drag is essentially cis men dressing up as women and acting out misogynistic and transphobic stereotypes for the entertainment of a predominantly male and cisgender audience. It's basically the gender equivalent of blackface.

[Nakena]

The two aren't entirely separate, since there some trans people who've come to understand themselves through drag.

However, at a macro level, there's a lot of tension between transgender and drag for quite good reason. With its emphasis on "play", "costume", and parodying the very idea of gender for the amusement of a primarily cis audience, drag is very oppositional to the permanent, serious and usually assimilationist goals of transgender people.

It has also historically weaved uncomfortably close to a minstrel act, mostly saved from this only by the fact that it was people of a lower status "punching up", so in some ways it becomes less acceptable the more gay rights advance.

Trying to make it woke and modern with all these historical social and political orientations bouncing around is why you see people involved coming out with dinosaur-tier transphobic trash one minute, and then the next minute try to sell it as respectful and pro-transgender.

Drag blunders about claiming to be all about being true to yourself and liberated while fundamentally parodying the very idea of identity, and it makes a lot of its downtrodden history while clumsily blundering into punching sideways at cis women and downwards at transwomen. It's loud, it's proud, it doesn't know what it is, and it hasn't made any cohesive effort to come to terms with its history and its contemporary implications. No wonder the queer theorists love it!

Drag is essentially cis men dressing up as women and acting out misogynistic and transphobic stereotypes for the entertainment of a predominantly male and cisgender audience. It's basically the gender equivalent of blackface.

What is your opinion on Contrapoints transtrenders video in this context?

[Grenartia]

In order for that to happen, there'd need to be a large union presence at my workplace.

Real quick-Unions are a good way to face corporate discrimination.

This is just typical corporate bullshit, not transphobic discrimination (they don't know I'm trans, that's how I'm sure).

Lets just say I got written up twice for the same incident, which was caused by one of those "I DEMAN TO SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER THIS INSTANT!" types.

[First American Empire]

Drag is essentially cis men dressing up as women and acting out misogynistic and transphobic stereotypes for the entertainment of a predominantly male and cisgender audience. It's basically the gender equivalent of blackface.

What is your opinion on Contrapoints transtrenders video in this context?

I don't have time to watch it right now. Could you post a summary or a link to a transcript?

[Lanoraie II]

The two aren't entirely separate, since there some trans people who've come to understand themselves through drag.

However, at a macro level, there's a lot of tension between transgender and drag for quite good reason. With its emphasis on "play", "costume", and parodying the very idea of gender for the amusement of a primarily cis audience, drag is very oppositional to the permanent, serious and usually assimilationist goals of transgender people.

It has also historically weaved uncomfortably close to a minstrel act, mostly saved from this only by the fact that it was people of a lower status "punching up", so in some ways it becomes less acceptable the more gay rights advance.

Trying to make it woke and modern with all these historical social and political orientations bouncing around is why you see people involved coming out with dinosaur-tier transphobic trash one minute, and then the next minute try to sell it as respectful and pro-transgender.

Drag blunders about claiming to be all about being true to yourself and liberated while fundamentally parodying the very idea of identity, and it makes a lot of its downtrodden history while clumsily blundering into punching sideways at cis women and downwards at transwomen. It's loud, it's proud, it doesn't know what it is, and it hasn't made any cohesive effort to come to terms with its history and its contemporary implications. No wonder the queer theorists love it!

Drag is essentially cis men dressing up as women and acting out misogynistic and transphobic stereotypes for the entertainment of a predominantly male and cisgender audience. It's basically the gender equivalent of blackface.

Well, that's the reach of the century. Unlike blackface, nobody looks at drag and goes "yes, this is how women act". Also, it's hardly even mocking women, just the stereotypes in such an over-the-top and exaggerated way it doesn't deserve to be called either of those silly names. Has nothing to do with trans people either but okay.

[Auzkhia]

It's official, I am now legally my real name today. Now, I just need to updated a few things like my driver's license and insurance cards.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It's official, I am now legally my real name today. Now, I just need to updated a few things like my driver's license and insurance cards.

Congratulations! <3

[Hediacrana]

It's official, I am now legally my real name today. Now, I just need to updated a few things like my driver's license and insurance cards.

Awesome! Congrats!!

[Iciaros]

It's official, I am now legally my real name today. Now, I just need to updated a few things like my driver's license and insurance cards.

Wooooo! I'm so happy for you!