TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Vassenor]

To me, it seems that genderfluidity happens when people mistake personality and feeling for gender. It doesn't seem logical for gender to suddenly change like that. I'd love scientific evidence on the contrary.

Or you could try proving yourself right.

[Sursidia]

Hello everyone. First of all, I just want to say that I am not a transgender individual.

I have a question that I will try to phrase considerately though if anyone feels uncomfortable, I apologise in advance. If the question does offend some, I would not mind taking this post down from this thread and would be happy to receive an answer via telegram.

Alright, so here it is:

I understand that "Transgender" is an umbrella term that describes people whose gender identity or expression does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. (source: https://www.livescience.com/54949-trans ... ition.html)

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

Once more, I'm sorry for any discomfort my question may have casued though I hope you can forgive and enlighten me. Thank you for your time, have wonderful lives and i wish all of you the absolute best!

Best wishes,

Snoodum

[Threlizdun]

Saciu, may I ask, did you ever have your brain scanned and a doctor tell you that you had a biologically female brain? If not, how do you know that you're a woman? Is it not simply that you have come to realize that you feel like a certain gender, just like people you are condemning as "trenders" (as if someone wanted to suffer through the abuse trans people face, get rejected by friends and family, and risk violence as some sort of cool fad)?

Further, is it not possible that brain differences that may exist (which are less significant than you think) may additionally be a product from a highly plastic brain adapting to aspects of its socialization rather than some innate biological quality?

Why do we even need to search for validation by cis doctors? Do you think that their shifting opinion on trans people happened simply because they got more evidence for it? No, it took immense pressure by our community fighting for to be our ourselves. It was in direct defiance of medical professionalizes who pathologized us and declared us sick individuals in need of a cure. The WHO only just declassified being trans as a mental disorder and you think that we have the "science of gender" perfectly mapped out and transphobic prejudice eradicated from the minds of medical officials who have had their positions for many decades?

I'm going to be real with you. The average trans person knows much more about what it means to be trans than the average doctor. We're the ones who actually are living it. They are the ones trying to accommodate the reality of our existence within their older cisnormative binary framework while trying to ignore the ways in which we directly contradict it.

[Saciu]

To me, it seems that genderfluidity happens when people mistake personality and feeling for gender. It doesn't seem logical for gender to suddenly change like that. I'd love scientific evidence on the contrary.

If you’re defining gender in terms of masculinity and femininity, and feeling male or female, it really isn’t that hard for me to feel more masculine or feminine, and feeling female is just at the far end of the spectrum. I usually express feminine when I am talking to other people.

I'm talking about brain structure. It does make sense that people's masculine and feminine traits and characeristics vary in intensity from day to day.

[Magocratic Aidonaia]

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

as a non-binary person I’m not an effeminate male. I’m sometimes masculine, sometimes more feminine. My feminine aspect isn’t identical to my male aspect. I’m not so much simply uncomfortable with the sex I was born with as preferring to look more in line with how i conceive myself.

[Saciu]

Hello everyone. First of all, I just want to say that I am not a transgender individual.

I have a question that I will try to phrase considerately though if anyone feels uncomfortable, I apologise in advance. If the question does offend some, I would not mind taking this post down from this thread and would be happy to receive an answer via telegram.

Alright, so here it is:

I understand that "Transgender" is an umbrella term that describes people whose gender identity or expression does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. (source: https://www.livescience.com/54949-trans ... ition.html)

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

Once more, I'm sorry for any discomfort my question may have casued though I hope you can forgive and enlighten me. Thank you for your time, have wonderful lives and i wish all of you the absolute best!

Best wishes,

Snoodum

Gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a mental condition wherein the afflicted has intense discomfort regarding their body and/or social presentation of sex, and would be more comfortable presenting as the other sex. I'm not as sure how it works for NB people, assuming NB is a thing (there is an ongoing debate regarding that).
The fact that you're asking is great. If you're unsure about something, asking is a great thing to do.

[Magocratic Aidonaia]

I'm talking about brain structure. It does make sense that people's masculine and feminine traits and characeristics vary in intensity from day to day.

You don’t have knowledge of anyone’s brain structure. I simply suggest that it doesn’t make sense to refer to me using cultural terms generally denoting general masculinity when I was on estrogen and may end up looking like a woman.

[Saciu]

Saciu, may I ask, did you ever have your brain scanned and a doctor tell you that you had a biologically female brain? If not, how do you know that you're a woman? Is it not simply that you have come to realize that you feel like a certain gender, just like people you are condemning as "trenders" (as if someone wanted to suffer through the abuse trans people face, get rejected by friends and family, and risk violence as some sort of cool fad)?

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

[Magocratic Aidonaia]

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

I have varying degrees of gender dysphoria, it means very little to me and my experience of my gender. Discomfort doesn’t tell you anything about my gendered experience as such.

[Threlizdun]

Saciu, may I ask, did you ever have your brain scanned and a doctor tell you that you had a biologically female brain? If not, how do you know that you're a woman? Is it not simply that you have come to realize that you feel like a certain gender, just like people you are condemning as "trenders" (as if someone wanted to suffer through the abuse trans people face, get rejected by friends and family, and risk violence as some sort of cool fad)?

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

And why is that? Why can one not be the gender they identify as yet still love their body? Why is your identity only valid when you hate your body? How much dysphoria do you need to have? Is there a cut off point? I have dysphoria over my facial hair and used to have dysphoria over my chest, but I don't have much desire to ever get bottom surgery and am perfectly happy with and genuinely enjoy having the genitals I possess. Am I trans enough? Is my identity less valid than yours? There was a period where I proudly wore facial hair and still felt feminine. Was I valid then? Or was I just some trender that wanted to be special so bad I tricked myself into being trans?

[Necroghastia]

Saciu, may I ask, did you ever have your brain scanned and a doctor tell you that you had a biologically female brain? If not, how do you know that you're a woman? Is it not simply that you have come to realize that you feel like a certain gender, just like people you are condemning as "trenders" (as if someone wanted to suffer through the abuse trans people face, get rejected by friends and family, and risk violence as some sort of cool fad)?

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

You accept that dysphoria can manifest in different ways (for example, it's possible to have chest dysphoria but no genital dysphoria, or vice-versa), so how is it so hard to accept that sometimes one can be trans without manifesting dysphoria at all?

[Cekoviu]

You really need to stop basing your beliefs on what 4chan tells you.

I've never used 4chan in my life, though. My beliefs are based on two years of trans experience and research.

My beliefs are based on far more time of trans experience and research, though, so I'm obviously more correct than you.

[Cekoviu]

Hello everyone. First of all, I just want to say that I am not a transgender individual.

I have a question that I will try to phrase considerately though if anyone feels uncomfortable, I apologise in advance. If the question does offend some, I would not mind taking this post down from this thread and would be happy to receive an answer via telegram.

Alright, so here it is:

I understand that "Transgender" is an umbrella term that describes people whose gender identity or expression does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. (source: https://www.livescience.com/54949-trans ... ition.html)

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

Once more, I'm sorry for any discomfort my question may have casued though I hope you can forgive and enlighten me. Thank you for your time, have wonderful lives and i wish all of you the absolute best!

Best wishes,

Snoodum

I completely understand your feelings. I have no idea what it would be like to be anything other than a woman mentally, and although I have some masculine hobbies and interests, I just consider myself somewhat of a tomboy because of that. It's very hard for a cisgender person to truly understand the pure and unbridled pain that pre-transition transgender people go through on a daily basis when they are being constantly misgendered, perceived incorrectly, and expected to conform to what may often be gender roles that don't fit, and when they go to the bathroom or look in the mirror and don't recognize what they see. And I know many cis people don't actually think they would experience dysphoria if that happened to them, and indeed, it probably wouldn't if they just swapped roles for a day, week, maybe even a month. But it's not a short-term experience for trans people - it's daily pain for years and years on end, and the gradual wearing down of your self-worth is what makes it so, so horrible.

An analogy that might make it easier to understand is this: imagine you're a human man, like you said you are. But also imagine that you have a rare genetic disorder causing you to have fur and be unable to walk except on four legs. (Furries, stay out of this.) You insist that you're a human and explain this disorder to people, but they tell you "you're just a dog" and try to play fetch with you, constantly, for years on end.

But wait! A surgical treatment for this genetic disorder has been developed, and it will make you less hirsute and allow you to walk on two legs again! You rejoice when you hear of this news, but then you find out that it costs $20,000 and no insurance companies cover it. Furthermore, a political party in whatever country you live in has been spending hundreds of thousands of dollars campaigning to prevent you from getting this surgery and to force you to urinate outside instead of in the bathrooms, which they say are for humans only. And a group of humanists are now also teaming up with this traditionally anti-humanist political party, specifically because the thing they care about most politically is relegating "dog-'people'" to trees, preventing you from interacting with humans in "human-only spaces", and keeping you from accessing the surgical treatment you desperately want and need to be treated as a normal member of society.

These humanists spend money and time taking over the public conversation about people with this genetic disorder, convincing people who are usually egalitarian that "dog-people" deserve less rights than "normal humans." There are still places that you can go for safety, but even those have begun to be infiltrated and protested by humanists. You feel increasingly abandoned by society, and you turn to sex and alcohol to make yourself feel better. Finally, on one fateful night, you finally meet somebody willing to have sex with you. They say that they don't mind your disorder. You do so, and when you fall asleep, you never wake up. They've killed you, and because of the influence of the humanists, they will get very little jail time by using the dog-person panic defense.

Sounds pretty horrible, right? This has all happened to transgender people. Everything you went through in that hypothetical scenario is something every trans person has to go through or has a terrifyingly large risk of going through. It's even worse than that for many. And that's why we want to be recognized and understood, more than anything.

[Proctopeo]

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

And why is that? Why can one not be the gender they identify as yet still love their body? Why is your identity only valid when you hate your body? How much dysphoria do you need to have? Is there a cut off point? I have dysphoria over my facial hair and used to have dysphoria over my chest, but I don't have much desire to ever get bottom surgery and am perfectly happy with and genuinely enjoy having the genitals I possess. Am I trans enough? Is my identity less valid than yours? There was a period where I proudly wore facial hair and still felt feminine. Was I valid then? Or was I just some trender that wanted to be special so bad I tricked myself into being trans?

I... don't think you understand what dysphoria is, lol, "Y DO U THINK WE NEED TO H8 OUR BODIES?!?!?" is a common talking point from people who heard what it is from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another. Because it's apparently necessary to explain, broadly, "dysphoria" is "a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life". In the context of physical or body dysphoria, it's not strictly "hating your body", but a feeling of unease or dissatisfaction with one's body; I've heard many cases of trans people acknowledging that they actually have a really good body (one you can't hate to have gotten), but it isn't theirs, which is the point: an incongruence between body and mind.

But, to be honest? I completely expected this to come up. It always does.

But wait! A surgical treatment for this genetic disorder has been developed, and it will make you less hirsute and allow you to walk on two legs again! You rejoice when you hear of this news, but then you find out that it costs $20,000 and no insurance companies cover it.

This specific point is actually a common reason behind transmedicalism. If transgender-related surgeries are deemed cosmetic, then insurance companies will go back to not being required to care, and many won't at all, as they're only obligated to cover medically-significant surgeries. This is the ultimate end of anti-transmedicalism, so said position boils down to throwing everybody else under the bus to appease a few very squeaky wheels.

[Cekoviu]

But wait! A surgical treatment for this genetic disorder has been developed, and it will make you less hirsute and allow you to walk on two legs again! You rejoice when you hear of this news, but then you find out that it costs $20,000 and no insurance companies cover it.

This specific point is actually a common reason behind transmedicalism. If transgender-related surgeries are deemed cosmetic, then insurance companies will go back to not being required to care, and many won't at all, as they're only obligated to cover medically-significant surgeries. This is the ultimate end of anti-transmedicalism, so said position boils down to throwing everybody else under the bus to appease a few very squeaky wheels.

Okay.

[Proctopeo]

This specific point is actually a common reason behind transmedicalism. If transgender-related surgeries are deemed cosmetic, then insurance companies will go back to not being required to care, and many won't at all, as they're only obligated to cover medically-significant surgeries. This is the ultimate end of anti-transmedicalism, so said position boils down to throwing everybody else under the bus to appease a few very squeaky wheels.

Okay.

You're welcome.

[Luminesa]

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

And why is that? Why can one not be the gender they identify as yet still love their body? Why is your identity only valid when you hate your body? How much dysphoria do you need to have? Is there a cut off point? I have dysphoria over my facial hair and used to have dysphoria over my chest, but I don't have much desire to ever get bottom surgery and am perfectly happy with and genuinely enjoy having the genitals I possess. Am I trans enough? Is my identity less valid than yours? There was a period where I proudly wore facial hair and still felt feminine. Was I valid then? Or was I just some trender that wanted to be special so bad I tricked myself into being trans?

The biggest issue in this post is that you’re begging for a random person on the internet to value your identity. This is kind of a serious issue, and if you’re comfortable with your identity then you probably shouldn’t be begging for someone, who has little weight in your life, to say whether or not you’re “trans enough”.

[Necroghastia]

And why is that? Why can one not be the gender they identify as yet still love their body? Why is your identity only valid when you hate your body? How much dysphoria do you need to have? Is there a cut off point? I have dysphoria over my facial hair and used to have dysphoria over my chest, but I don't have much desire to ever get bottom surgery and am perfectly happy with and genuinely enjoy having the genitals I possess. Am I trans enough? Is my identity less valid than yours? There was a period where I proudly wore facial hair and still felt feminine. Was I valid then? Or was I just some trender that wanted to be special so bad I tricked myself into being trans?

The biggest issue in this post is that you’re begging for a random person on the internet to value your identity. This is kind of a serious issue, and if you’re comfortable with your identity then you probably shouldn’t be begging for someone, who has little weight in your life, to say whether or not you’re “trans enough”.

Threlizdun doesn't seem to be "begging" for anything of the sort, and is instead trying to get Saciu to reevaluate their positions.

[Grenartia]

Tranny isn't a slur for everyone.

X to doubt.

It's the same as queer - in fact, debatably, queer should be more offensive, as the word "queer" originally meant strange.

Whatever.

Just talk to transmeds. Seriously. It'll really change your opinion on them.

I did. That's how I got my current opinion on them in the first place.

They're not all horrible.

When they exclude NB people, among plenty of other acts of dickery, yeah, they are.

Honestly, the only downside I have with them is that sometimes they treat me a bit worse because I doubt NB's existence.

I doubt they treat you worse because of that. If anything, they praise you for it.

Also, I don't know any transmeds that hate tucutes more than TERFs.

I've encountered plenty.

I certainly hate TERFs, while I range from showing apathy to dislike towards tucutes.

Then don't be a transmed.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to do what they want with their body. I'd just prefer it if less people suffered needless pain.

Just trust that as long as people are making decisions with informed consent, then they're making the best decisions they can make for themselves.

Just because TERFs say it, it's not necessarily wrong.

It does when they're talking about trans issues.

I'm not saying that you're all trenders. I'm just saying that they do exist.

Mostly as 4chan sockpuppets, and incredibly tiny fringe of gullibles who they've fooled. Not all NB people, as transmeds believe.

I'm not saying that you're not real. You are almost certainly real. You're as real as anyone else on this thread (I won't get into solipsism here). I'm just saying that I don't think Non-Binary is a gender.

Its a class of multiple genders.

I think that there's only male and female, and it's fine if you disagree.

You can think that, but not without running contrary to everything we know about gender identity.

I'm unapologetically trans too. Why wouldn't I be.

I don't know, but you seem to express a fair amount of regret for being trans.

It's not an accomplishment, though, so there's no reason to be proud of it.

That's not what we're being proud for. We're being proud in spite of the bullshit cis society says and does to us.

And no, I don't hate myself.

Sure sounded like it earlier.

I hate the fact that I have a crippling mental condition.

Yes, dysphoria is bad, but again, you can be trans without having dysphoria.

Could you explain how you manage to avoid intense pain caused by gender dysphoria

Drinking, distracting myself, etc. Doesn't work very well, but as I'm currently unable to transition, its the only way of dealing with it that I have.

and the worry of the numerous surgeries you'll have

I don't plan on having any surgery except for one, and even that isn't a sure thing. Fortunately, I don't have bad enough dysphoria about that part of my body to require surgery.

and high amount of discrimination you'll face.

Do my best to change society, and help my fellow trans siblings change it.

There are no transgender bathroom rapists. There are transtrenders.

Again, mostly trolls.

It's not hard to find detransitioners, every single one of whom was once a transtrender

X to doubt.

who then regretted their decision to transition.

Something that can be avoided by truly informed consent.

I did mis-speak about some of the SRS. It's true that dysphoria works differently for different people.

I applaud you for admitting that.

Not. All. Transmeds. Just as I'm aware that none of you believes in shit like autismgender.

I'm not actually sure what you're addressing here.

"Transmedicalism is just Uncle Tom-ism for the trans community." AKA "Everything I don't like is racism"

Not really. Just "these two instances of marginalized people supporting the further marginalization of people like them are pretty damn similar".

Try to be more tolerant. Referring to transmeds as garbage? Not OK. I'm not referring to tucutes as garbage or anything on that level.

The only person I explicitly called garbage was Blaire White. Not transmeds as a whole.

I know she might look like transition goals, and hell, you might even be gay for her. But she is far from a good person.

I don't know a huge amount about her, but from what I know, I don't think she has any genuine hate in her heart. She was pretty iffy towards transbians iirc, but she's changed her positions since then. I know she can be bigoted towards NBs, but I don't think it comes from a place of hate. She just needs to learn, not to be called a garbage human.

She also bases the level of respect she has for other trans people on how well they pass, which is enough on its own to justify calling her total garbage.

Judging people's worth based on how pleasant they are to look at is inherently the act of a garbage human being. And, in the case of the trans community, classist and elitist as shit, based on how some of us lost the genetic lottery for passing, and would need hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of surgery to successfully pass. I reserve the right to continue to call her garbage until such time as she either repents for that view, and renounces ever holding it, or until she joins this forum, at which point, I will have to stop calling her that here or face punishment from the mods (though I will continue referring to her as garbage offsite until the first condition is met).

I very much regret this thread got filled with bullshit while I was asleep and at work.

Thank you for once again putting in the time and effort to respond to a load of that stuff - it's very much appreciated.

And I appreciate that my efforts are appreciated.

And its a bullshit narrative, just like the "transgender bathroom rapist".

One of the most disappointing aspects of public life is that such bullshit narratives about othered people are so incredibly resilient.

Honest question - how does one effectively counter those narratives IRL? I'm not inclined to believe debates and facts really help to change minds, because people in general hate to admit their wrong, and because tribalist loyalties tend to immunize people against facts. But what else can be done?

(I'm talking IRL here because politicized conversations in online forum discussions are an entirely different thing)

What seems to be the case is that people soften up on people of various groups they hate after meeting and getting to know at least one member of one of those groups. I think we learned that lesson from the gay marriage issue.

Not that you shouldn't take personal safety and mental well-being into account.

It's funny that one group says "oh we're so scientific" but then has people saying that there are millions of genders.

Are you still peddling this fucking bullshit? Alright, let's show you how stupid this argument is with an example:

It's funny that physicists claim to be scientists but then say there aren't a finite number of points on the electromagnetic BINARY. Everybody knows there are two electromagnetic categories a ray can have: gamma or radio. Everything else is just pseudoscientific bullshit, and any light ray that physicists claim to be another wavelength is just a confused gamma ray.

As a physicist, God bless you.

You really like the "fallacy fallacy" argument, don't you?

And now you're taking tu quoque to a meta level. Are you intentionally only replying with thinly-veiled versions of "But you!"?

Shit like this is why I blocked him. He's incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

Here's a hint. Telling a person they don't exist isn't respectful, no matter how politely you do it.

I'm not saying that people who claim to be NB are non-existent. I'm saying that NB is non-existent.

Despite all logic and evidence to the contrary.

Isn't it also impolite to say that autismgender isn't real?

No, because it was made up by disrespectful trolls.

You really need to stop basing your beliefs on what 4chan tells you.

I've never used 4chan in my life, though. My beliefs are based on two years of trans experience and research.

And I've had 8 years of experience, research, and interacting with other members of the trans community.

I like scientific evidence. That's not something that should be judged so negatively.

Sure, but you shouldn't use the (extremely limited) data to police people's identities.

Why should non-binaryism be taken as a fact without evidence?

I mean, there is evidence. The existence and recognition of non-binary genders in multiple cultures around the world, many with no contact with each other, and separated by incredible geographic barriers. This points to non-binary gender being just as inherent to the human condition as binary gender is.

There's also the fact that literally nothing in the universe fits exclusively in a binary classification system (outside, of course, the "everything either is or is not a potato" type stuff). Saying there are only two genders is as fundamentally flawed as saying there are only 2 subatomic particles: protons and electrons.

And why is that? Why can one not be the gender they identify as yet still love their body? Why is your identity only valid when you hate your body? How much dysphoria do you need to have? Is there a cut off point? I have dysphoria over my facial hair and used to have dysphoria over my chest, but I don't have much desire to ever get bottom surgery and am perfectly happy with and genuinely enjoy having the genitals I possess. Am I trans enough? Is my identity less valid than yours? There was a period where I proudly wore facial hair and still felt feminine. Was I valid then? Or was I just some trender that wanted to be special so bad I tricked myself into being trans?

The biggest issue in this post is that you’re begging for a random person on the internet to value your identity. This is kind of a serious issue, and if you’re comfortable with your identity then you probably shouldn’t be begging for someone, who has little weight in your life, to say whether or not you’re “trans enough”.

Lumi, no, she isn't begging for validation, she's pointing out flaws in transmed reasoning. It shouldn't be that hard for you to understand. I don't even understand how you could think that.

[Proctopeo]

Shit like this is why I blocked him. He's incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

Rich, coming from you.
You believe anyone whose existence contradicts your worldview is a 4chan troll or just a lie, for example - that's not good faith. Especially since you never seem to have proof of it...
And even if you did, there's ample proof that it continues beyond a troll operation and lived on into sincerity. That happened with autismgender. Troll or not, people are sincere about it now.

There's other shit I could call out here but I 1) don't care enough and 2) don't want the mods crawling down my back.

[Auzkhia]

Hello everyone. First of all, I just want to say that I am not a transgender individual.

I have a question that I will try to phrase considerately though if anyone feels uncomfortable, I apologise in advance. If the question does offend some, I would not mind taking this post down from this thread and would be happy to receive an answer via telegram.

Alright, so here it is:

I understand that "Transgender" is an umbrella term that describes people whose gender identity or expression does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. (source: https://www.livescience.com/54949-trans ... ition.html)

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

Once more, I'm sorry for any discomfort my question may have casued though I hope you can forgive and enlighten me. Thank you for your time, have wonderful lives and i wish all of you the absolute best!

Best wishes,

Snoodum

For me, I realized that being nonbinary just felt right, it didn't matter what I looked like then, I just had a strong conviction that being nonbinary was the right way to express myself in regards to gender, and that I want to be seen that way rather than my mis-assigned gender, gender euphoria, and it is a primary motivator to transition. I was quite indifferent to my body I had, sure, I had some dysphoria too, but mostly social, some bodily, but going on HRT has relieved most of it.

Ultimately, why some is trans is a mystery, we don't know why most people are cis either; and, to answer why people transition, because they have bodily autonomy and have to right to be happier with themselves.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Hello everyone. First of all, I just want to say that I am not a transgender individual.

I have a question that I will try to phrase considerately though if anyone feels uncomfortable, I apologise in advance. If the question does offend some, I would not mind taking this post down from this thread and would be happy to receive an answer via telegram.

Alright, so here it is:

I understand that "Transgender" is an umbrella term that describes people whose gender identity or expression does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. (source: https://www.livescience.com/54949-trans ... ition.html)

I was wondering why someone would feel uncomfortable with the sex they were born with. I'm male but if I realised that I was more feminine than masculine, I would just call myself an effeminate male. I'm just not sure why the need to change gender?

Once more, I'm sorry for any discomfort my question may have casued though I hope you can forgive and enlighten me. Thank you for your time, have wonderful lives and i wish all of you the absolute best!

Best wishes,

Snoodum

It's not really a personality thing. It's not a "I'm rather effeminate, so I'll medically transition into a woman," thing. It's more like a "I hate my body, and I hate being referred to and being treated like a man, so I'm going to medically transition into a woman."

[Hediacrana]

Are you intentionally only replying with thinly-veiled versions of "But you!"?

Shit like this is why I blocked him. He's incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

Rich, coming from you.

And there we go again with the "But you!"

[Neutraligon]

I have severe gender dysphoria. It's quite simple. I've covered this. I strongly believe that gender dysphoria is required to be trans.

You accept that dysphoria can manifest in different ways (for example, it's possible to have chest dysphoria but no genital dysphoria, or vice-versa), so how is it so hard to accept that sometimes one can be trans without manifesting dysphoria at all?

... Peaks head out. I still wonder if someone who is agender like me counts.

[Proctopeo]

Are you intentionally only replying with thinly-veiled versions of "But you!"?

Shit like this is why I blocked him. He's incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

Rich, coming from you.

And there we go again with the "But you!"

And you're being a rude asshole over... nothing.

Edit: It is telling that all you have is ragging on about """"but you"""" and trying to claim it's all I have... when anyone who's actually paying attention could tell you otherwise. Have I been lazy? Yes, definitely, but I always put more than one prong in every post.