TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Saciu]

I'm referring to sex, not gender.

Btw I do hope that eventually individualy LGBT months are replaced by entire fair treatment of LGBT people, a bit similar to year round pride months but treating LGBT people less differently.

TERFs, by definition, exclude all trans women. Transmeds do not, by definition, exclude all trans people who fail to pass. Your sweeping generalisations are quite frankly offensive. Sure, some transmeds are hostile to those who don't pass well, but that does not mean that all are. It would be useful if you gave evidence of your NB friend's experience.

Let's cut to the chase, transmedicalism is unnecessary gatekeeping, similar but to not same as other forms of gender based gatekeeping. The details and differences are that transmedicalism tries to answer a question that frankly doesn't need to be asked or answered.

How do we determine which trans people are valid? Why are people trans?

We don't, just take their word for it, to help them along with questioning and forming their identity. It doesn't matter why people are trans, people just are, and to repurpose Catherine Mackinnon:

"I always thought I don't care how someone becomes trans; it does not matter to me. It is just part of their specificity, their uniqueness, like everyone else's. Anybody who identifies as trans, wants to be trans, is going around being trans, as far as I'm concerned, is transgender"

How do we determine which trans people are valid? Valid trans people are ones that have gender dysphoria.
Why are people trans? Because they have gender dysphoria.
Gatekeeping, in this instance can be useful. Some people without dysphoria medically transition, and it is incredibly mentally damaging for them. Gatekeeping would prevent them from taking medications that will in fact give them dysphoria.

[Saciu]

On the other side of the coin, most anti-transmeds I've met/seen are trans women, and many had a quite the hatred for trans men (most admitted and proud of it, some in denial). Though think less "misgendering" and "stock misandry combined with gaslighting and emotional abuse" for some of these cases; as in, they recognized them as men but saw them as trash because of it.

The only anti-trasmeds I've seen who do hold any ill will towards trans women are trans men who had bad experiences with the above.


It's Twitter, so there's many possible reasons for that accusation, only a few of them actually being real, valid red flags.
Though I'd need to know who this "very famous transmed" is, and maybe a basic summary of what your friend tweets/retweets.

Transmisogyny plays a part in it, mind you.

It was Blaire White, btw, against twitter user @princess_stef69. Blaire deleted her post, so the evidence is gone.

How wonderfully convenient. Any screenshots?

[Nakena]

A month and a day. Or did you not care to honour military appreciation month?

didnt know it was a thing.

Then again Pride month has corporate backing and people telling the community how special it is.

Military appreciation month probably gets them a free meal at IHOP.

It's getting increasingliny commercialize. Its like xmas at this point. Rainbow Pies, Cakes, Flyers, Flags, Action Figures, Stuffies, Smartphone encasings and who knows else what. All sold in special sale during pride month. Come and get it while it's hot!

Be proud, be different be special! Buy now!

This message has been brought to you by Corporate America

[Nakena]

It's bullshit

Yes it is.

It's such a defeatist attitude that negates all the beauty our community has produced, and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would want to embrace such a depressing mindset other than an inability to move beyond their own internalized transphobia.

I am glad I am not the only one recognizing the rampant defeatism and depressing mindset that seems so spread here. Unfortunatly it goes far beyond that particular group.

[Saciu]

Transmedicalism is just repackaged transphobia directed against those existing on the margins of our community. It attacks those who often cannot afford to transition, critiques other trans people's appearances to a point of creating even more dysphoria and discomfort, pushes out people experimenting with and questioning their gender identity (forgetting nearly all of us did this at at least one point), and completely deligimitizes non-binary identities and anything beyond the most conventional and assimilationist gender expressions. It's bullshit that thrusts unnecessary toxicity into our community, alienates us from one another, and makes us complicit in our own oppression.

Honestly, I really pity transmedicalists. Is dysphoria really all their trans identities mean to them? Is all the wonder and magic of being trans simply not exist for them? No gender euphoria or celebration of building identities for ourselves rather than for others? It's like just throwing away the history, culture, and passion our community has built in the name of just going back to the days where we were just seen as disordered freaks that needed to be fixed. It's such a defeatist attitude that negates all the beauty our community has produced, and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would want to embrace such a depressing mindset other than an inability to move beyond their own internalized transphobia.

Magic? Of a crippling mental condition destroying our lives? Here's how it feels: we have gender dysphoria, which completely changes the trajectory of our lives for the negative. It is not magic. It is not wondrous. Why do you think gender dysphoria has such a high suicide rate? And then the antitransmedicalists come along and pretend that it's amazing to be trans. It's appropriating a serious medical condition.
Transmedicalists do not condone attacking those without the resources to transition. We're sad for them, because they cannot get life saving medical treatment. We "attack" people who are clearly not trans, and just doing it to be trendy. They're not hard to spot. They're not trans men with soft faces and prominent breasts. They're trans men who say "I'm he/him every part of me is he/him but I love my breasts and I'll show them off everywhere and I'll wear feminine outfits, doing nothing to transition at all".

[Saciu]

Transmedicalism is just repackaged transphobia directed against those existing on the margins of our community. It attacks those who often cannot afford to transition, critiques other trans people's appearances to a point of creating even more dysphoria and discomfort, pushes out people experimenting with and questioning their gender identity (forgetting nearly all of us did this at at least one point), and completely deligimitizes non-binary identities and anything beyond the most conventional and assimilationist gender expressions. It's bullshit that thrusts unnecessary toxicity into our community, alienates us from one another, and makes us complicit in our own oppression.

Honestly, I really pity transmedicalists. Is dysphoria really all their trans identities mean to them? Is all the wonder and magic of being trans simply not exist for them? No gender euphoria or celebration of building identities for ourselves rather than for others? It's like just throwing away the history, culture, and passion our community has built in the name of just going back to the days where we were just seen as disordered freaks that needed to be fixed. It's such a defeatist attitude that negates all the beauty our community has produced, and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would want to embrace such a depressing mindset other than an inability to move beyond their own internalized transphobia.

I get the impression that they're so miserable that they rather bring others down to their abyss rather than to help themselves, that they've gotten a taste of normality and decided its their turn to bash the queer non-conformists just to appease the transphobes, and that they project their own dysphoria and issues on to others.

It's pathetic really, if "trenders" exist, then it's them, for transmedicalism is a trend.

I get it. You don't know what transmedicalism is. That's ok. Educate yourself.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That was actually a major "push" factor away from leftism for me, at least until I stopped eating out of the ideological trashcan and realised that humans being fundamentally unequal in worth still didn't make it fair for the economy to serve the interests of a small section of society and reward them far more than their value.

But all people are of fundamentally equal worth, or at the very least, of fundamentally equal potential, and ought to be entitled to equality of opportunity.

[Vassenor]

So we're back to parroting TERF-ist gatekeeping rhetoric?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

There's as wide a spectrum of types and intensities of transphobic attitudes in the feminist movement as in wider society. It's not solely a radical feminist issue, and "the TERF" is more of a caricature to be ritually booed and hissed at to win woke points than it is a true representation of a coherent group with a shared set of beliefs setting them outside of an otherwise utopian inclusive movement.

TERF is little more than a snarl word and, like other words of the type, it subtracts from real understanding by distorting the discourse, making it easier for people to see a very specific and already very egregious form of transphobia and harder to see anything outside of that discursive paradigm.

Bin it and use the much less loaded term "transphobic feminist" to describe feminists who are transphobic.

It's true that TERF is often used as a snarl word. It's also often misused, and applied to people who are not evidently feminists or sometimes people who are not even evidently transphobic (see: the people in this thread calling transmeds TERFs).

However, TERFs aren't really that disparate in their ideology. Most TERFs are on the more radical side, there are very few libfem TERFs (maybe cuz there's very few libfems in general these days, but I digress). Many TERFs seem to call themselves "gender critical feminists" which seems to me to be almost exclusively radfem type rhetorical tendency. Perhaps we should call them "Gender Critical Feminists" or "GCFs" or something.

Veering wildly off subject here, but why does it seem like so many trans people online are anarcho-communists? I haven't seen that trend in real life, but I've seen it across a wide variety of web fora.

They're the one of the loudest ideologies when it comes to pro-trans stuff, like memes and shit. And many conservatives won't accept trans people as valid, which heavily discourages it.

[Nakena]

It's true that TERF is often used as a snarl word. It's also often misused, and applied to people who are not evidently feminists or sometimes people who are not even evidently transphobic (see: the people in this thread calling transmeds TERFs).

However, TERFs aren't really that disparate in their ideology. Most TERFs are on the more radical side, there are very few libfem TERFs (maybe cuz there's very few libfems in general these days, but I digress). Many TERFs seem to call themselves "gender critical feminists" which seems to me to be almost exclusively radfem type rhetorical tendency. Perhaps we should call them "Gender Critical Feminists" or "GCFs" or something.

Hey Xeno, not going to push but did you ever check out TERFist sites such as Meghan Murphy's Feminist Current?

You might be surprised.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It's true that TERF is often used as a snarl word. It's also often misused, and applied to people who are not evidently feminists or sometimes people who are not even evidently transphobic (see: the people in this thread calling transmeds TERFs).

However, TERFs aren't really that disparate in their ideology. Most TERFs are on the more radical side, there are very few libfem TERFs (maybe cuz there's very few libfems in general these days, but I digress). Many TERFs seem to call themselves "gender critical feminists" which seems to me to be almost exclusively radfem type rhetorical tendency. Perhaps we should call them "Gender Critical Feminists" or "GCFs" or something.

Hey Xeno, not going to push but did you ever check out TERFist sites such as Meghan Murphy's Feminist Current?

You might be surprised.

I have checked out places like r/GC, yeah. And the impression I got from it was that it was pretty radfem.

Surprised by what?

[Nakena]

Hey Xeno, not going to push but did you ever check out TERFist sites such as Meghan Murphy's Feminist Current?

You might be surprised.

I have checked out places like r/GC, yeah. And the impression I got from it was that it was pretty radfem.

Surprised by what?

By the amount of hostility coming against TG from those places. One more reason to be opposed to this kind of feminism.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I have checked out places like r/GC, yeah. And the impression I got from it was that it was pretty radfem.

Surprised by what?

By the amount of hostility coming against TG from those places. One more reason to be opposed to this kind of feminism.

I might be surprised, I might not. I don't really want to find out.

[Nakena]

By the amount of hostility coming against TG from those places. One more reason to be opposed to this kind of feminism.

I might be surprised, I might not. I don't really want to find out.

You will.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I might be surprised, I might not. I don't really want to find out.

You will.

Is it worse than r/GenderCritical? Because r/GenderCritical, while very bad, doesn't really contain much rhetoric that's downright horrifying.

[Nakena]

You will.

Is it worse than r/GenderCritical? Because r/GenderCritical, while very bad, doesn't really contain much rhetoric that's downright horrifying.

I am not familiar with those Subreddits but FeministCurrents has some fairly anti-TG stance in general and its more often than not getting nasty.

My point is about finding out is, unless you drop out of political area alltogether, you will be confronted with a lot of nasty stuff ideologically speaking. Your beliefs will be tested, examined and challanged and maybe twisted and who knows what will it be look like once you have been through the conduit.

So it might be better to harden up and get ready for the future.

[Necroghastia]

Y'know, I'm loathe to actually call transmedicalism that, seeing as it has nothing to do with actual medical science.

[Saciu]

It's funny that one group says "oh we're so scientific" but then has people saying that there are millions of genders.

[Vassenor]

It's funny that one group says "oh we're so scientific" but then has people saying that there are millions of genders.

Binary essentialism is not science.

[Saciu]

Y'know, I'm loathe to actually call transmedicalism that, seeing as it has nothing to do with actual medical science.

It would be interesting to see antitransmedicalist sources. Could you link some?

[Saciu]

It's funny that one group says "oh we're so scientific" but then has people saying that there are millions of genders.

Binary essentialism is not science.

What about saying that autismgender is a thing? Is that science? I didn't say that believing that there are two genders is scientific, though that is what I believe. I said that saying that there are millions of genders is unscientific.

[Grenartia]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

You 100% need dysphoria. No dysphoria, no trans. If you're not dysphoric, there's no reason to be trans other than "uwu snowflake" and oppression points. If you transition without gender dysphoria, you are committing a life destroying form of self-harm.

False, but what else is to be expected from someone who calls herself the t-slur? Stop hating yourself and you'll stop hating others, fam.

>Being overly literal to avoid having to address the fact you just vomited a load of terfism onto the thread

1) It's a joke.
2) How is this TERFism. Transmeds tend to hate TERFs much more than they dislike tucutes. Did you mean truscum ideology? I'm very happy to address that.

Truscum = transmed. And 95% of the time, at least as far as I've seen, they'll sell out the rest of us if it means they get treated less like shit by TERFs.

Yes, actually, because no one would be destroying their life and "oppression points" aren't a thing.

A non-dysphoric person who medically transitions will suddenly experience immense body dysphoria.

Sure, I'll accept that is a possibility. However, as long as the person gives informed consent, is it anyone's business? Also, how likely is someone to medically transition if they don't have dysphoria? That's just a waste of their time, money and effort.

They may well be unable to return to their previous life wherein they were their birth sex. Read up about detransitioners. Their existence is undeniable, and I'm sure as hell that we'll see a slew of them in the near future.

TERFs say the exact same shit. Doesn't mean either of you are right.

There are people who want to be LGBT, non-white etc in order to feel oppressed and thereby fit in with the stereotypical "liberal university student". I know this because I used to be one of them.

Congratulations, you were one of a tiny few individuals. Doesn't mean the rest of us are at all like that.

I used to think it would be really cool to be LGBT. Then I realised that I'm trans, and I wish nothing more than not to be. Sadly, I can't because that's not how gender dysphoria works. You can also research transtrenders, of which there are many.

lolwat.

A non-dysphoric person who medically transitions will suddenly experience immense body dysphoria. They may well be unable to return to their previous life wherein they were their birth sex. Read up about detransitioners. Their existence is undeniable, and I'm sure as hell that we'll see a slew of them in the near future.

There are people who want to be LGBT, non-white etc in order to feel oppressed and thereby fit in with the stereotypical "liberal university student". I know this because I used to be one of them. I used to think it would be really cool to be LGBT. Then I realised that I'm trans, and I wish nothing more than not to be. Sadly, I can't because that's not how gender dysphoria works. You can also research transtrenders, of which there are many.

Or they would experience gender euphoria, or remain experiencing nothing at all.

The plural of anecdote is not data. And that sounds like a you problem, tbh. I'm trans and proud of it. Yeah, dysphoria sucks, living in a place where it would be vastly easier to be a cishet person sucks, but... nothing I can do about that right now, so why let it get me down that I'm a trans lesbian in the first place?

Honestly? Same.

From everything I've seen, "transtrenders" is mostly just a derogatory way to refer to NB people.

Mostly? It always is.

Or they would experience gender euphoria, or remain experiencing nothing at all.

The plural of anecdote is not data. And that sounds like a you problem, tbh. I'm trans and proud of it. Yeah, dysphoria sucks, living in a place where it would be vastly easier to be a cishet person sucks, but... nothing I can do about that right now, so why let it get me down that I'm a trans lesbian in the first place?

From everything I've seen, "transtrenders" is mostly just a derogatory way to refer to NB people.

If you have gender euphoria as one gender, you'll have gender dysphoria as the other.

I mean, if they're trans in the first place, they're not going to have gender euphoria.

Only NB people, whose existence I doubt,

Doubt my existence however much you like, I'll still be just as real as you.

would be fine as both genders - if they do exist, they are only a very small part of the population.

Your point on my anecdotal evidence: You should have said "few people", not "no one" in your original comment.

There's no reason to be proud of being trans.

Only someone who hates who they are would say that. We've come too damn far to subscribe to that fatalism. I am unapologetically trans, and you should absolutely feel the same.

There's a reason to be proud of overcoming dysphoria, though.
It would always be better not to be trans. Trans will always have dysphoria and time+money consuming surgeries. Being heterosexual makes reproduction easier than being gay, while bi could go either way. Plus, heterosexual sex is simpler. If you're fine with being a trans lesbian, good for you, but it has many disadvantages, and it's hard not to see how it would get you down.

Your self-loathing doesn't describe me, and I'm sure it doesn't describe most of the rest of the thread, and you shouldn't pretend like it does.

Yes, some of the more hardcore transmedicalists refer to some NB people as trenders. I think some people who say they're trans aren't, most of whom are people pretending to be trans but presenting entirely as their birth sex and being completely comfortable that way. What transtrender actually means is, quite simply, one who pretends to be transgender because they see it as trendy.

And its a bullshit narrative, just like the "transgender bathroom rapist".

You made the claim, so the onus is on you to prove it, not for me to disprove it.

That's fair. Somewhat graphic content described below

The main form of heterosexual sex is PIV sex. This includes a rather large hole inside which the shaft can easily fit, and natural lubricant. Both heterosexual sex and male homosexual sex offer anal and oral. Homosexual male sex's exclusive activities tend to be uninteresting and unexciting for the two men, or painful. From this, it's fair to say that heterosexuality gives more convenient sex. Female homosexual sex presents oral as a main possibility, but for anal or vaginal, extra apparatus is required. It does have more exclusive types of sex than its male counterparts, but it is more complicated than heterosexual sex. I'd say that it's fair to say that both types of homosexual sex are mechanically inferior to heterosexual sex. It does change when a third party is added, although I'm not referring to that here.

Mechanical differences =/= inferiority. Reproduction = irrelevant.

Geeze, you've really swallowed the self-loathing koolaid.

What are yer thoughts on TERFism?

Irrelevant fringe ideology or actual danger?

Dangerous fringe ideology.

Veering wildly off subject here, but why does it seem like so many trans people online are anarcho-communists? I haven't seen that trend in real life, but I've seen it across a wide variety of web fora.

I don't know about ancoms specifically, but 95% of the trans people I know IRL are in the lower left political compass quadrant.

Probably something to do with being trans and being fucked over by both conservatism and capitalism especially blatantly tends to make one dislike both.

Theres indeed a number of issues regarding transitioning, that is IMO mostly the current stage of medical technology in general, which I consider to be insufficient yet for myself, despite advancements being made continually. I think if its done in young age, it is working out better in the end. A good friend of mine has recently begun HRT and ever since she has been experiencing more depression and mental instability.

I must say in that context that I find the thought of male genital removal however to be revolting and I believe people should not do it unless they're 110% sure about it. It might be not an popular opinion but thats what I think.

Cock is simply the best.

If one truly has gender dysphoria, one will not regret SRS.

Implying its not possible to be 'truly trans' and be comfortable with your own genitals.

If one truly has gender dysphoria, one will not regret SRS.

Not everyone has genital dysphoria, and SRS has some side effects that might be undesirable to some. Additionally, phalloplasty hasn't been perfected and it doesn't always work out great for trans men.

"BUT TRANSTRENDERS!"

Also yeah let's be real transmedicalism is essentially just rebranded terfism. "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" is only a few steps removed from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."

And it belongs in the garbage.

Also yeah let's be real transmedicalism is essentially just rebranded terfism. "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" is only a few steps removed from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."

That's far from the truth. Truscum wouldn't say "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" to every trans person". They'd say it to those who clearly aren't trans.

"Those who clearly aren't trans" to transmeds might as well be every trans person that thinks transmed is bullshit.

Transmedicalist aren't the demons you think.

You lot presume to speak for all of us without even trying to include all of us, and explicitly exclude and mock myself and other NB people. We have very good and valid reasons for not thinking very highly of you.

Moreover, haven't you seen the array of tucutes saying that truscum aren't really trans?

Nope.

It's by no means a majority, that I concede, but they do exist nonetheless. Isn't that the same number of steps from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."?

You know, in order for an attempted false equivalence fallacy to have a chance at working, you can't say it doesn't apply the majority of the time.

Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

Someone clearly doesn't get the joke.

No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.

i mean veterans only get a day.

The difference being no one expects veterans to disappear out of society after Veteran's Day.

Lets be honest, society at large in America basically fellates veterans and puts the idea of them on a pedestal so high it might as well count as worshipping them. Whether or not its a bad thing, I leave it up to the reader to decide.

Trans people get nowhere near that level of respect, and arguably, get quite the opposite.

On the other side of the coin, most anti-transmeds I've met/seen are trans women, and many had a quite the hatred for trans men (most admitted and proud of it, some in denial). Though think less "misgendering" and "stock misandry combined with gaslighting and emotional abuse" for some of these cases; as in, they recognized them as men but saw them as trash because of it.

The only anti-trasmeds I've seen who do hold any ill will towards trans women are trans men who had bad experiences with the above.


It's Twitter, so there's many possible reasons for that accusation, only a few of them actually being real, valid red flags.
Though I'd need to know who this "very famous transmed" is, and maybe a basic summary of what your friend tweets/retweets.

Transmisogyny plays a part in it, mind you.

It was Blaire White, btw, against twitter user @princess_stef69. Blaire deleted her post, so the evidence is gone.

Of course it was Blaire fucking White. What a garbage human being.

Transmedicalism is just repackaged transphobia directed against those existing on the margins of our community. It attacks those who often cannot afford to transition, critiques other trans people's appearances to a point of creating even more dysphoria and discomfort, pushes out people experimenting with and questioning their gender identity (forgetting nearly all of us did this at at least one point), and completely deligimitizes non-binary identities and anything beyond the most conventional and assimilationist gender expressions. It's bullshit that thrusts unnecessary toxicity into our community, alienates us from one another, and makes us complicit in our own oppression.

Honestly, I really pity transmedicalists. Is dysphoria really all their trans identities mean to them? Is all the wonder and magic of being trans simply not exist for them? No gender euphoria or celebration of building identities for ourselves rather than for others? It's like just throwing away the history, culture, and passion our community has built in the name of just going back to the days where we were just seen as disordered freaks that needed to be fixed. It's such a defeatist attitude that negates all the beauty our community has produced, and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would want to embrace such a depressing mindset other than an inability to move beyond their own internalized transphobia.

Transmedicalism is just Uncle Tom-ism for the trans community.

So we're back to parroting TERF-ist gatekeeping rhetoric?

I very much regret this thread got filled with bullshit while I was asleep and at work.

Y'know, I'm loathe to actually call transmedicalism that, seeing as it has nothing to do with actual medical science.

I mean, same, but the alternative term for it would probably get me banned.

[Necroghastia]

Binary essentialism is not science.

What about saying that autismgender is a thing? Is that science? I didn't say that believing that there are two genders is scientific, though that is what I believe. I said that saying that there are millions of genders is unscientific.

It really explains a lot about your views if you take 4chan trolls seriously.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You 100% need dysphoria. No dysphoria, no trans. If you're not dysphoric, there's no reason to be trans other than "uwu snowflake" and oppression points. If you transition without gender dysphoria, you are committing a life destroying form of self-harm.

False, but what else is to be expected from someone who calls herself the t-slur? Stop hating yourself and you'll stop hating others, fam.

1) It's a joke.
2) How is this TERFism. Transmeds tend to hate TERFs much more than they dislike tucutes. Did you mean truscum ideology? I'm very happy to address that.

Truscum = transmed. And 95% of the time, at least as far as I've seen, they'll sell out the rest of us if it means they get treated less like shit by TERFs.

A non-dysphoric person who medically transitions will suddenly experience immense body dysphoria.

Sure, I'll accept that is a possibility. However, as long as the person gives informed consent, is it anyone's business? Also, how likely is someone to medically transition if they don't have dysphoria? That's just a waste of their time, money and effort.

They may well be unable to return to their previous life wherein they were their birth sex. Read up about detransitioners. Their existence is undeniable, and I'm sure as hell that we'll see a slew of them in the near future.

TERFs say the exact same shit. Doesn't mean either of you are right.

There are people who want to be LGBT, non-white etc in order to feel oppressed and thereby fit in with the stereotypical "liberal university student". I know this because I used to be one of them.

Congratulations, you were one of a tiny few individuals. Doesn't mean the rest of us are at all like that.

I used to think it would be really cool to be LGBT. Then I realised that I'm trans, and I wish nothing more than not to be. Sadly, I can't because that's not how gender dysphoria works. You can also research transtrenders, of which there are many.

lolwat.

Or they would experience gender euphoria, or remain experiencing nothing at all.

The plural of anecdote is not data. And that sounds like a you problem, tbh. I'm trans and proud of it. Yeah, dysphoria sucks, living in a place where it would be vastly easier to be a cishet person sucks, but... nothing I can do about that right now, so why let it get me down that I'm a trans lesbian in the first place?

Honestly? Same.

From everything I've seen, "transtrenders" is mostly just a derogatory way to refer to NB people.

Mostly? It always is.

If you have gender euphoria as one gender, you'll have gender dysphoria as the other.

I mean, if they're trans in the first place, they're not going to have gender euphoria.

Only NB people, whose existence I doubt,

Doubt my existence however much you like, I'll still be just as real as you.

would be fine as both genders - if they do exist, they are only a very small part of the population.

Your point on my anecdotal evidence: You should have said "few people", not "no one" in your original comment.

There's no reason to be proud of being trans.

Only someone who hates who they are would say that. We've come too damn far to subscribe to that fatalism. I am unapologetically trans, and you should absolutely feel the same.

There's a reason to be proud of overcoming dysphoria, though.
It would always be better not to be trans. Trans will always have dysphoria and time+money consuming surgeries. Being heterosexual makes reproduction easier than being gay, while bi could go either way. Plus, heterosexual sex is simpler. If you're fine with being a trans lesbian, good for you, but it has many disadvantages, and it's hard not to see how it would get you down.

Your self-loathing doesn't describe me, and I'm sure it doesn't describe most of the rest of the thread, and you shouldn't pretend like it does.

Yes, some of the more hardcore transmedicalists refer to some NB people as trenders. I think some people who say they're trans aren't, most of whom are people pretending to be trans but presenting entirely as their birth sex and being completely comfortable that way. What transtrender actually means is, quite simply, one who pretends to be transgender because they see it as trendy.

And its a bullshit narrative, just like the "transgender bathroom rapist".

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The main form of heterosexual sex is PIV sex. This includes a rather large hole inside which the shaft can easily fit, and natural lubricant. Both heterosexual sex and male homosexual sex offer anal and oral. Homosexual male sex's exclusive activities tend to be uninteresting and unexciting for the two men, or painful. From this, it's fair to say that heterosexuality gives more convenient sex. Female homosexual sex presents oral as a main possibility, but for anal or vaginal, extra apparatus is required. It does have more exclusive types of sex than its male counterparts, but it is more complicated than heterosexual sex. I'd say that it's fair to say that both types of homosexual sex are mechanically inferior to heterosexual sex. It does change when a third party is added, although I'm not referring to that here.

Mechanical differences =/= inferiority. Reproduction = irrelevant.

Geeze, you've really swallowed the self-loathing koolaid.

What are yer thoughts on TERFism?

Irrelevant fringe ideology or actual danger?

Dangerous fringe ideology.

Veering wildly off subject here, but why does it seem like so many trans people online are anarcho-communists? I haven't seen that trend in real life, but I've seen it across a wide variety of web fora.

I don't know about ancoms specifically, but 95% of the trans people I know IRL are in the lower left political compass quadrant.

Probably something to do with being trans and being fucked over by both conservatism and capitalism especially blatantly tends to make one dislike both.

If one truly has gender dysphoria, one will not regret SRS.

Implying its not possible to be 'truly trans' and be comfortable with your own genitals.

Not everyone has genital dysphoria, and SRS has some side effects that might be undesirable to some. Additionally, phalloplasty hasn't been perfected and it doesn't always work out great for trans men.

"BUT TRANSTRENDERS!"

Also yeah let's be real transmedicalism is essentially just rebranded terfism. "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" is only a few steps removed from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."

And it belongs in the garbage.

That's far from the truth. Truscum wouldn't say "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" to every trans person". They'd say it to those who clearly aren't trans.

"Those who clearly aren't trans" to transmeds might as well be every trans person that thinks transmed is bullshit.

Transmedicalist aren't the demons you think.

You lot presume to speak for all of us without even trying to include all of us, and explicitly exclude and mock myself and other NB people. We have very good and valid reasons for not thinking very highly of you.

Moreover, haven't you seen the array of tucutes saying that truscum aren't really trans?

Nope.

It's by no means a majority, that I concede, but they do exist nonetheless. Isn't that the same number of steps from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."?

You know, in order for an attempted false equivalence fallacy to have a chance at working, you can't say it doesn't apply the majority of the time.

Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

Someone clearly doesn't get the joke.

And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.

The difference being no one expects veterans to disappear out of society after Veteran's Day.

Lets be honest, society at large in America basically fellates veterans and puts the idea of them on a pedestal so high it might as well count as worshipping them. Whether or not its a bad thing, I leave it up to the reader to decide.

Trans people get nowhere near that level of respect, and arguably, get quite the opposite.

Transmisogyny plays a part in it, mind you.

It was Blaire White, btw, against twitter user @princess_stef69. Blaire deleted her post, so the evidence is gone.

Of course it was Blaire fucking White. What a garbage human being.

Transmedicalism is just repackaged transphobia directed against those existing on the margins of our community. It attacks those who often cannot afford to transition, critiques other trans people's appearances to a point of creating even more dysphoria and discomfort, pushes out people experimenting with and questioning their gender identity (forgetting nearly all of us did this at at least one point), and completely deligimitizes non-binary identities and anything beyond the most conventional and assimilationist gender expressions. It's bullshit that thrusts unnecessary toxicity into our community, alienates us from one another, and makes us complicit in our own oppression.

Honestly, I really pity transmedicalists. Is dysphoria really all their trans identities mean to them? Is all the wonder and magic of being trans simply not exist for them? No gender euphoria or celebration of building identities for ourselves rather than for others? It's like just throwing away the history, culture, and passion our community has built in the name of just going back to the days where we were just seen as disordered freaks that needed to be fixed. It's such a defeatist attitude that negates all the beauty our community has produced, and I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would want to embrace such a depressing mindset other than an inability to move beyond their own internalized transphobia.

Transmedicalism is just Uncle Tom-ism for the trans community.

So we're back to parroting TERF-ist gatekeeping rhetoric?

I very much regret this thread got filled with bullshit while I was asleep and at work.

Y'know, I'm loathe to actually call transmedicalism that, seeing as it has nothing to do with actual medical science.

I mean, same, but the alternative term for it would probably get me banned.

Blaire White isn't a garbage human being.

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I am hoping we can get some good studies on those not in the binary soon, but that might take a bit given how low that population is, and the fact that we don't tend to have many tests on mtf let alone ftm individuals.