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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:36 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.


Why do the straights get all 12 months but we're only allowed one?
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Postby Paleoconservative Citizens » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:38 pm

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

I find it interesting that religious people's go-to insult these days seems to be "your belief is like a religion!"
Also, we're not celebrating being LGBTQ+ in LGBTQ+ wrath month, we're celebrating wrath.

What wrath?
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:38 pm

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Saciu wrote:That's far from the truth. Truscum wouldn't say "You're not actually trans, you're just pretending to be for oppression points/because it's trendy" to every trans person". They'd say it to those who clearly aren't trans. Transmedicalist aren't the demons you think. Moreover, haven't you seen the array of tucutes saying that truscum aren't really trans? It's by no means a majority, that I concede, but they do exist nonetheless. Isn't that the same number of steps from "you're not actually a woman, you just have a fetish."?

TERFs wouldn't say "You're not actually a woman, you're just pretending to be because you have a fetish" to every woman. They'd say it to those who they believe clearly aren't women.

Quite frankly wrong. TERFs view every trans woman without fail as a man. The same does not go for transmeds.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:39 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

Are you aware that 1) the thread's title is a joke and 2) it's LGBT wrath month?
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Postby Hamstan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:41 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I find it interesting that religious people's go-to insult these days seems to be "your belief is like a religion!"
Also, we're not celebrating being LGBTQ+ in LGBTQ+ wrath month, we're celebrating wrath.

What wrath?

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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:44 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.


Why do the straights get all 12 months but we're only allowed one?

*two
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:55 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I find it interesting that religious people's go-to insult these days seems to be "your belief is like a religion!"
Also, we're not celebrating being LGBTQ+ in LGBTQ+ wrath month, we're celebrating wrath.

What wrath?

The internal wrath we all have towards homophobes, biphobes, transphobes, etc.!
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:57 pm

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:What wrath?

The internal wrath we all have towards homophobes, biphobes, transphobes, etc.!

Oh... I thought Wrath month was the opposite of Pride month, i.e. supporting homophobia (as a joke)
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:58 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The internal wrath we all have towards homophobes, biphobes, transphobes, etc.!

Oh... I thought Wrath month was the opposite of Pride month, i.e. supporting homophobia (as a joke)

No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:59 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Saciu wrote:Oh... I thought Wrath month was the opposite of Pride month, i.e. supporting homophobia (as a joke)

No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Saciu wrote:Oh... I thought Wrath month was the opposite of Pride month, i.e. supporting homophobia (as a joke)

No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:04 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.

Er, what was the second one?
Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.

They should maybe chill if they can't take a joke that simple.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:04 pm

Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

Wow what an oddly strong reaction.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Saciu wrote:So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.

Er, what was the second one?
Saciu wrote:And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.

They should maybe chill if they can't take a joke that simple.

There's history month in February and, of course, pride month in June. I'm not sure whether wrath month is real or satire.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:08 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Er, what was the second one?

They should maybe chill if they can't take a joke that simple.

There's history month in February and, of course, pride month in June. I'm not sure whether wrath month is real or satire.

I thought February was reserved for black history month. Wrath month is satire, by the way.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:09 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.


Why limit it to months?

Last I checked, most people who are LGBT are LGBT all year round 8)
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:10 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Saciu wrote:There's history month in February and, of course, pride month in June. I'm not sure whether wrath month is real or satire.

I thought February was reserved for black history month. Wrath month is satire, by the way.

I think BHM is November
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:10 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Saciu wrote:So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.


Why limit it to months?

Last I checked, most people who are LGBT are LGBT all year round 8)

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:12 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I thought February was reserved for black history month. Wrath month is satire, by the way.

I think BHM is November

Oh yeah, you're a redcoat. It's in October for you lot, but February on the other side of the puddle.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:12 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Saciu wrote:So a third LGBT month? This is getting a bit excessive.


Why limit it to months?

Last I checked, most people who are LGBT are LGBT all year round 8)


I mean, it is twentybiteen. And the whole next decade is the twentytwenbies, so...
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:12 pm

Saciu wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I thought February was reserved for black history month. Wrath month is satire, by the way.

I think BHM is November

BHM is Oct. here and Feb. in North America. I know that here, February is LGBT history month. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_History_Month, it's October in USA.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:13 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:You made the claim, so the onus is on you to prove it, not for me to disprove it. ;)

That's fair. Somewhat graphic content described below
The main form of heterosexual sex is PIV sex. This includes a rather large hole inside which the shaft can easily fit, and natural lubricant. Both heterosexual sex and male homosexual sex offer anal and oral. Homosexual male sex's exclusive activities tend to be uninteresting and unexciting for the two men, or painful. From this, it's fair to say that heterosexuality gives more convenient sex. Female homosexual sex presents oral as a main possibility, but for anal or vaginal, extra apparatus is required. It does have more exclusive types of sex than its male counterparts, but it is more complicated than heterosexual sex. I'd say that it's fair to say that both types of homosexual sex are mechanically inferior to heterosexual sex. It does change when a third party is added, although I'm not referring to that here.

PiV can still be gay if you're both girls or enbies.
Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.

Who left this projection machine on?
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Necroghastia wrote:TERFs wouldn't say "You're not actually a woman, you're just pretending to be because you have a fetish" to every woman. They'd say it to those who they believe clearly aren't women.

Quite frankly wrong. TERFs view every trans woman without fail as a man. The same does not go for transmeds.

*pours a shot of whisky in the tea* Nuance time, a lot of transmed do misgender trans women as men when they don't meet up to their "high" standards, while not exactly the same as terfs more wholesale approach, is awfully similar.

A friend of mine, who is a nonbinary trans woman, got into a twitter argument with a very famous transmed, and she misgendered my friend and called her a pedophile for some reason.
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Pretty much, it's quite similar.
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Cekoviu wrote:No, no! It's the wrath of the gay, not the wrath towards it.

And is wrath a virtue we really want to espouse? Shouldn't we be trying to communicate with the homophobes, transphobes etc and get them to be kinder towards us? Furthermore, a wrath month actually could infringe on the rights of those with certain religious beliefs.

You're more than welcome to try, but I find a lot of them just hate us and literally want all trans people or queer people to vanish, dead or alive. Even so, debating with transphobes is basically "hey let me try to convince you I exist", which is a tremendous task, rhetorically speaking. It's really hard to find a common ground between transgender people and transphobic people, unless you find a transphobic trans person.
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Why limit it to months?

Last I checked, most people who are LGBT are LGBT all year round 8)


I mean, it is twentybiteen. And the whole next decade is the twentytwenbies, so...

I fully endorse this!
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Postby Paleoconservative Citizens » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:19 pm

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Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.


Why do the straights get all 12 months but we're only allowed one?

What? We don't get 12 months! We don't even get 1 month. There is no 1 month set aside for straight people, those months are just MONTHS.
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Postby Saciu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Saciu wrote:That's fair. Somewhat graphic content described below
The main form of heterosexual sex is PIV sex. This includes a rather large hole inside which the shaft can easily fit, and natural lubricant. Both heterosexual sex and male homosexual sex offer anal and oral. Homosexual male sex's exclusive activities tend to be uninteresting and unexciting for the two men, or painful. From this, it's fair to say that heterosexuality gives more convenient sex. Female homosexual sex presents oral as a main possibility, but for anal or vaginal, extra apparatus is required. It does have more exclusive types of sex than its male counterparts, but it is more complicated than heterosexual sex. I'd say that it's fair to say that both types of homosexual sex are mechanically inferior to heterosexual sex. It does change when a third party is added, although I'm not referring to that here.

PiV can still be gay if you're both girls or enbies.

I'm referring to sex, not gender.

Btw I do hope that eventually individualy LGBT months are replaced by entire fair treatment of LGBT people, a bit similar to year round pride months but treating LGBT people less differently.

TERFs, by definition, exclude all trans women. Transmeds do not, by definition, exclude all trans people who fail to pass. Your sweeping generalisations are quite frankly offensive. Sure, some transmeds are hostile to those who don't pass well, but that does not mean that all are. It would be useful if you gave evidence of your NB friend's experience.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Paleoconservative Citizens wrote:Why do you need so many months to celebrate being LGBTQ+? For God's sake your sexuality is more like a religion than a preference.


Why do the straights get all 12 months but we're only allowed one?


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