TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Hediacrana]

It's getting commercialized increasingly too.

yep. whole foods is owned by amazon, which is helping ice murder queer refugees/immigrants. they have no business at pride.

Would you be willing to elaborate?

[Mettaton-EX]

yep. whole foods is owned by amazon, which is helping ice murder queer refugees/immigrants. they have no business at pride.

Would you be willing to elaborate?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6123 ... crackdown/

[Hediacrana]

Would you be willing to elaborate?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6123 ... crackdown/

Thanks!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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This one was made by WholeFoods.

I always said Pride was a load of bull...

[user was splattered with tomatoes and hooked off the stage for this post]

Hehehehe...

[Auzkhia]

Would you be willing to elaborate?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6123 ... crackdown/

Most corporations don't have any business at pride, unless their CEOs stop donating to anti-LGBTQ politicians (though mostly for tax cuts, republicans tend to be both), making sure their products and services aren't used for harm, that their workplace is safe for openly LGBTQ people, including stuff like a strong HR department and insurance that covers all facets of trans healthcare, and pay equity between cis, straight, gay/lesbian, bisexual, and trans workers.

But, on the other hand, FREE STUFF, where else would I get by rainbow wrist bands stamped with my bank's logo?

[Proctopeo]

making sure their products and services aren't used for harm

What do you mean by this? 'Cause the way I'm reading it, you're demanding something that's pretty much impossible, especially when it comes to products. Certain services less so, but diminishing returns means you can't realistically avoid harm altogether.

[Auzkhia]

making sure their products and services aren't used for harm

What do you mean by this? 'Cause the way I'm reading it, you're demanding something that's pretty much impossible, especially when it comes to products. Certain services less so, but diminishing returns means you can't realistically avoid harm altogether.

I was thinking of what amazon was doing specifically, aiding ICE with their software and servers. If companies really cared about LGBTQ rights, they'd have to divest from a lot of places, governments, and other companies. That's a serious commitment on part of the executives.

They aren't, because that's not what they're out to do, it's turn to a profit, deliver to shareholders, if publicly traded. That's how it is right now. Maybe, it will change and get better, especially if the workers ran the show, but who knows, the answer will come after the inevitable revolution everyone's talking about.

[Cekoviu]

What do you mean by this? 'Cause the way I'm reading it, you're demanding something that's pretty much impossible, especially when it comes to products. Certain services less so, but diminishing returns means you can't realistically avoid harm altogether.

I was thinking of what amazon was doing specifically, aiding ICE with their software and servers. If companies really cared about LGBTQ rights, they'd have to divest from a lot of places, governments, and other companies. That's a serious commitment on part of the executives.

They aren't, because that's not what they're out to do, it's turn to a profit, deliver to shareholders, if publicly traded. That's how it is right now. Maybe, it will change and get better, especially if the workers ran the show, but who knows, the answer will come after the inevitable revolution everyone's talking about.

Companies aren't socially obligated to support political causes.
Pretend there are clap emoji between those words.

[Auzkhia]

I was thinking of what amazon was doing specifically, aiding ICE with their software and servers. If companies really cared about LGBTQ rights, they'd have to divest from a lot of places, governments, and other companies. That's a serious commitment on part of the executives.

They aren't, because that's not what they're out to do, it's turn to a profit, deliver to shareholders, if publicly traded. That's how it is right now. Maybe, it will change and get better, especially if the workers ran the show, but who knows, the answer will come after the inevitable revolution everyone's talking about.

Companies aren't socially obligated to support political causes.
Pretend there are clap emoji between those words.

Yeah, I know, it's just good marketing. People criticize businesses doing a rainbow capitalism since their progressive messaging is just words, not activism.

[Cekoviu]

Companies aren't socially obligated to support political causes.
Pretend there are clap emoji between those words.

Yeah, I know, it's just good marketing. People criticize businesses doing a rainbow capitalism since their progressive messaging is just words, not activism.

But that criticism isn't really founded in understanding. Good marketing is words, not actions - if David Koch publicly funds a Smithsonian dinosaur exhibit talking about historical and current climate trends, that matters a lot more to the public than the fact that he also funds climate change denial while keeping a low profile.

[Bear Stearns]

Continuing, Tesla could be the turnaround story of the market this year. By the end of Q3 '19, we'll see if they've fixed all the problems. I wouldn't recommend a buy yet, as their cash position is still precarious, but I'm keeping them on my radar.

[Hediacrana]

Continuing, Tesla could be the turnaround story of the market this year. By the end of Q3 '19, we'll see if they've fixed all the problems. I wouldn't recommend a buy yet, as their cash position is still precarious, but I'm keeping them on my radar.

I think you may have posted in the wrong thread. But hey, I'm all for anyone fixing all the problems!

[Bear Stearns]

Continuing, Tesla could be the turnaround story of the market this year. By the end of Q3 '19, we'll see if they've fixed all the problems. I wouldn't recommend a buy yet, as their cash position is still precarious, but I'm keeping them on my radar.

I think you may have posted in the wrong thread. But hey, I'm all for anyone fixing all the problems!

oh dang I did it again

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

[Necroghastia]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I'm against that idea. Not only is it none of my business what someone else does with their body and why, but even in people with dysphoria the condition can manifest in different ways. I can absolutely believe that someone can be trans without experiencing dysphoria.

[Hediacrana]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I'm against that idea. Not only is it none of my business what someone else does with their body and why, but even in people with dysphoria the condition can manifest in different ways. I can absolutely believe that someone can be trans without experiencing dysphoria.

In addition, it's worth pointing out that social dysphoria exists; it is not always exclusively about bodies and parts.

[Cekoviu]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

You shouldn't transition if you don't have any form of dysphoria, because that's entirely pointless. However, you are technically transgender if you do so.

[Proctopeo]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

It's generally unpopular on this thread, but there are some who do side with transmedicalism.

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

You shouldn't transition if you don't have any form of dysphoria, because that's entirely pointless. However, you are technically transgender if you do so.

I think the more accurate term in that case is transsexual.

[Cekoviu]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

It's generally unpopular on this thread, but there are some who do side with transmedicalism.

You shouldn't transition if you don't have any form of dysphoria, because that's entirely pointless. However, you are technically transgender if you do so.

I think the more accurate term in that case is transsexual.

Not necessarily.

[Grenartia]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

Its gross and will be given no quarter by myself or many of the other regulars in this this thread. You'll find that the overlap between transmedicalists and trans people who hate non-binary people is so vast, that a Venn Diagram of it would be a circle.

I'm against that idea. Not only is it none of my business what someone else does with their body and why, but even in people with dysphoria the condition can manifest in different ways. I can absolutely believe that someone can be trans without experiencing dysphoria.

In addition, it's worth pointing out that social dysphoria exists; it is not always exclusively about bodies and parts.

Definitely. But even if we restrict dysphoria to bodies and parts, its worth noting that transmedicalism is still fundamentally fucked up, because it ignores promoting gender euphoria in favor of focusing on getting rid of gender dysphoria. It also ignores that dysphoria is so fucking hard to explain that it is entirely possible to have it and not realize it (for those wondering how this is possible, imagine feeling like shit, but you're unable to explain why), which makes it harder for those people to transition.

This is just the tip of the iceberg for why transmedicalism is bullshit.

[Nakena]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I have never encountered that term before.

[Magocratic Aidonaia]

dysphoria is so fucking hard to explain.

It is? I just suffer a little from not looking or being more like a woman, since part of me feels and prefers to express that way.

[Cekoviu]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I have never encountered that term before.

You must not hang out in trans circles much.

[Cekoviu]

dysphoria is so fucking hard to explain.

It is? I just suffer from not looking or being more like a woman.

It's that feeling of suffering that's difficult to explain. The vast majority of cisgender people haven't experienced something like it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I’m curious, among the trans people here, what are your thoughts on transmedicalism, that is, the belief that dysphoria is required to be trans?

I think it's (ironically) something that has been overly binarised, and I wouldn't consider myself firmly in either camp as the other side has caricatured it. I think they come under the same loose umbrella, but transsexuals and non-dysphoric gender nonconformists are quite distinct things, and I don't consider the latter "my people" nearly so much as I do the former; I have less in common with them and can relate to them less. If you're educating people about the existence of groups, clearly it would make sense to talk about them in the same lesson. And yet I also think it's very fair and logical to separate them analytically for purposes such as not subsidising hormonal and surgical medical interventions for the non-dysphoric as it's based on personal aesthetic preference rather than a pressing medical need. I personally find the conflation a bit frustrating as some of the more political members of the non-dysphoria gang are often quite radical gender deconstructionists and the vagaries of the terminology enable them to push that as the "trans community's theory" when in fact many transsexuals don't agree with it.