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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:29 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I feel like if I sarcastically repeat that "truth isn't hate" line one more time, my computer's going to explode in my face.


I think I always picture on the verge of raging, all red in the face but keeping it together. Kinda like this:
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Why is this the most accurate artistic depiction of me and why do I love it so?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:30 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Oh my god, that's a perfect representation of Torra's general mood. It's like her spirit animal except a stock photo.
Now I'm wondering what my spirit stock photo would be.


Conceal and carry rainbows daggers. With deadly aim.

I need to commission someone for this now
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I think I always picture on the verge of raging, all red in the face but keeping it together. Kinda like this:
Image


Why is this the most accurate artistic depiction of me and why do I love it so?


I’ve secretly being treated you as a case study. The bushes have eyes.
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Postby Blazelander » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Blazelander wrote:
can you show me the link of that web blog please fren? im interested in that page, i got the sources from my younger brother.


Google DSM-V and read about homosexuality and transgender. Do your homework. Don’t just take what your brother says at face value or treat it as gospel.


actually the statements are true, google them fren.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:32 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Conceal and carry rainbows daggers. With deadly aim.

I need to commission someone for this now


I’d make it but my photoshop skills suck.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:32 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Google DSM-V and read about homosexuality and transgender. Do your homework. Don’t just take what your brother says at face value or treat it as gospel.


actually the statements are true, google them fren.

The statements are mostly at least partially true, but they are rather scattered about and don't support your conclusions.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:33 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
I'm not your fren you're an intellectually dishonest person regurgitating information that I'm not persuaded you've read or understood. Make a claim, support the claim with scientific research. This is the nature of communicating ideas.

If you're not familiar, "fren" and generalized baby talk are now starting to gain traction among the alt-right because it makes their positions sound cuter and less abhorrent. /r/frenworld on Reddit is where it started, but I think Blazelander is probably referencing that.

Frenworld is where it started being used by alt-right, but Fren in-general is a pretty mainstream meme on 4Chan that is used innocuously, mainly on the very diverse /int/ board on 4Chan. I got into an argument with someone about this, and when I looked at that board, every single use of the meme was actually used by a POC, so it's certainly not an exclusively alt-right meme, and predates frenworld by a long time.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:33 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Why is this the most accurate artistic depiction of me and why do I love it so?


I’ve secretly being treated you as a case study. The bushes have eyes.


... I am now slightly more concerned, considering the density of foliage in any given area where I live. :P

Blazelander wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Google DSM-V and read about homosexuality and transgender. Do your homework. Don’t just take what your brother says at face value or treat it as gospel.


actually the statements are true, google them fren.


>fren

Ah, I see you're breaking out the Neo-Nazi babytalk from r/frenworld. Amazing. I was wondering when that cancer would migrate to here.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Google DSM-V and read about homosexuality and transgender. Do your homework. Don’t just take what your brother says at face value or treat it as gospel.


actually the statements are true, google them fren.


Homosexuality: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psycho ... rder%3famp

Transgender: https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... rt-q-and-a
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Postby Blazelander » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Blazelander wrote:
actually the statements are true, google them fren.

The statements are mostly at least partially true, but they are rather scattered about and don't support your conclusions.


is that so? just because you dont like em doesnt mean arent true lad

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:A google search showed that the whole collection was copy pasted from a weblog full of racist memes, which just goes to show the hypocrisy of the truth not hate line.


can you show me the link of that web blog please fren? im interested in that page, i got the sources from my younger brother.

Does your younger brother write on Medium under the name Ryan McGregor? Because that's where you got that list from.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Blazelander wrote:actually the statements are true, google them fren.


Supposing they are you still haven't incorporated them into any coherent point.

Des-Bal wrote:So what for example evidences that 80% of transgender people ... die before 30...
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:37 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The statements are mostly at least partially true, but they are rather scattered about and don't support your conclusions.


is that so? just because you dont like em doesnt mean arent true lad


Ooh la la, now you're misgendering people too? Jesus fuckin' Christ, just hurry up and add the cherry to the top of this strawberry shitcake you've created.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:37 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The statements are mostly at least partially true, but they are rather scattered about and don't support your conclusions.


is that so? just because you dont like em doesnt mean arent true lad

Lass. I didn't say they weren't true, even. Are you not even reading the posts you're responding to?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:38 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Google DSM-V and read about homosexuality and transgender. Do your homework. Don’t just take what your brother says at face value or treat it as gospel.


actually the statements are true, google them fren.

Some of the articles don't say what you say they say. For example, the one where you claimed that MTF trans people are just gay men trying to seduce straight men didn't say that. It said that MTF people who are homosexual (in the article's terminology, that they are attracted to men) are the ones who aren't autogynephiliacs and actually have brains neurologically shifted female.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:38 pm

Torrocca wrote:Ah, I see you're breaking out the Neo-Nazi babytalk from r/frenworld. Amazing. I was wondering when that cancer would migrate to here.


Saying "Fren" actually predates that reddit by years. It what just never popular.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:40 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Ah, I see you're breaking out the Neo-Nazi babytalk from r/frenworld. Amazing. I was wondering when that cancer would migrate to here.


Saying "Fren" actually predates that reddit by years. It what just never popular.


Predates it, sure, but I'm doubtful our """fren""" here is going for the original meaning, considering the shit they're pulling in this thread.
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Postby Blazelander » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you're not familiar, "fren" and generalized baby talk are now starting to gain traction among the alt-right because it makes their positions sound cuter and less abhorrent. /r/frenworld on Reddit is where it started, but I think Blazelander is probably referencing that.

Frenworld is where it started being used by alt-right, but Fren in-general is a pretty mainstream meme on 4Chan that is used innocuously, mainly on the very diverse /int/ board on 4Chan. I got into an argument with someone about this, and when I looked at that board, every single use of the meme was actually used by a POC, so it's certainly not an exclusively alt-right meme, and predates frenworld by a long time.


i just want to clear the fact that i dont use reddit or 4chan, and im not an alt right, also im not a "secret racist" i do reconize that race exist, but i dont think that any race is superior, i like to say ""fren" because my gilrfriend fucking love pepe frog memes and she call me fren all the time as a frendly nickname, so please dont try to understand me like if i were american because in my country we dont have that right vs left eternal dilema.

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Postby Saint Ignis » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:49 pm

Just droppin' in here to say happy pride to my LGBTQ siblings and that it's super weird how so many of y'all (cishets) are so concerned with things that do not concern you in any way.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:01 pm

Saint Ignis wrote:Just droppin' in here to say happy pride to my LGBTQ siblings and that it's super weird how so many of y'all (cishets) are so concerned with things that do not concern you in any way.

We are a mysterious creature, we cishets. Even to ourselves.
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Postby Hediacrana » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:03 pm

Blazelander wrote:can you show me the link of that web blog please fren? im interested in that page, i got the sources from my younger brother.

I don't feel the need to help disseminate that kind of stuff, thank you very much. Here, have something wholesome instead.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Blazelander wrote:
actually the statements are true, google them fren.

Some of the articles don't say what you say they say. For example, the one where you claimed that MTF trans people are just gay men trying to seduce straight men didn't say that. It said that MTF people who are homosexual (in the article's terminology, that they are attracted to men) are the ones who aren't autogynephiliacs and actually have brains neurologically shifted female.

Does that mean that transwomen who are into women are just autogynophiliacs with male brains?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some of the articles don't say what you say they say. For example, the one where you claimed that MTF trans people are just gay men trying to seduce straight men didn't say that. It said that MTF people who are homosexual (in the article's terminology, that they are attracted to men) are the ones who aren't autogynephiliacs and actually have brains neurologically shifted female.

Does that mean that transwomen who are into women are just autogynophiliacs with male brains?

According to the article, but I can't say if what it says is true.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:48 pm

Blazelander wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Frenworld is where it started being used by alt-right, but Fren in-general is a pretty mainstream meme on 4Chan that is used innocuously, mainly on the very diverse /int/ board on 4Chan. I got into an argument with someone about this, and when I looked at that board, every single use of the meme was actually used by a POC, so it's certainly not an exclusively alt-right meme, and predates frenworld by a long time.


i do reconize that race exist,

:rofl: Sure, buddy.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Saint Ignis wrote:Just droppin' in here to say happy pride to my LGBTQ siblings and that it's super weird how so many of y'all (cishets) are so concerned with things that do not concern you in any way.


Because LGBT+ issues have been become a extremly politicized playball in the recent years.

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