TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

On the flexibility comment, how much do you think is needed? 13, 12, 10 years of age depending on what’s expressed? I know mileage varies, of course, identity is usually felt stronger at an early age in some intersex and trans children.

I’m not pregnant but this is a scenario, from many, I like exploring.

I'd say that before you're 14 or 15, it's never a good idea to be put on anything except blockers.It's best to speak to medical professionals about when to start with hormones. I know that here in the UK, 16 is the age where you can take hormones.

Yes, 15-16 years of age seems to be the agreed common starting point for HRT.

Agreed, if it comes to it, it’s best to consult a medical professional.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

The hell, my gender isn’t part of my personality?

I never said gender was part of your personality. I wasn't addressing you. If I did, it was unintentional.

How is one’s gender not part of one’s personality.

[Sycar]

I find it very offensive that no one has recognized my gender yet. I sexually identify as a KF41 Lynx IFV, and the fact that no one ever talks about my gender or recognizes it hurts. The lack of representation of IFVs in the LGBTQ+ community is an outrage, and must be fixed. Take the pledge to recognize all IFVs, APCs, and MBTs and copy and paste "#recognizeAFVs" into your sig!
Edit: I'm being serious here.

[Saciu]

I never said gender was part of your personality. I wasn't addressing you. If I did, it was unintentional.

How is one’s gender not part of one’s personality.

What I meant was making everything you do about your gender, and having your personality rely on being trans.

[USS Monitor]

I find it very offensive that no one has recognized my gender yet. I sexually identify as a KF41 Lynx IFV, and the fact that no one ever talks about my gender or recognizes it hurts. The lack of representation of IFVs in the LGBTQ+ community is an outrage, and must be fixed. Take the pledge to recognize all IFVs, APCs, and MBTs and copy and paste "#recognizeAFVs" into your sig!
Edit: I'm being serious here.

I don't care if you're being serious. Sincere belief does not excuse trolling. *** Warned for trolling ***

You can identify as whatever you want, but when you "sexually identify" and harass trans people about it, that's not allowed.

[Iciaros]

Geez, these things always happen when I'm asleep, don't they. Well, I guess it's over now.



Agreed. Personally I'm not sure about the 'right' age to begin HRT, but I guess it'd depend on the maturity of your child in particular. 15-16 is probably a sound benchmark, but it'd be good to be flexible with it if you think it's appropriate. Also, while I never intend to have children, I always thought it'd be nice to give my imaginary child a gender-neutral name, just in case. Having a very strongly gendered legal name myself has been very problematic for a few years now, and I think it would have been nice if my name had been a little more ambiguous about my sex.

Oh, and yes, full agreement with Hedi; I know you'll make a great parent.

On the flexibility comment, how much do you think is needed? 13, 12, 10 years of age depending on what’s expressed? I know mileage varies, of course, identity is usually felt stronger at an early age in some intersex and trans children.

I’m not pregnant but this is a scenario, from many, I like exploring.

I genuinely don't know how much flexibility might be needed, especially since I'm too young to know by experience. I guess it's really about playing it by ear; if you think your child is old enough to make informed, wise decisions, then go for it. 15-16 is a pretty good benchmark for that anyway, I would think.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

On the flexibility comment, how much do you think is needed? 13, 12, 10 years of age depending on what’s expressed? I know mileage varies, of course, identity is usually felt stronger at an early age in some intersex and trans children.

I’m not pregnant but this is a scenario, from many, I like exploring.

I genuinely don't know how much flexibility might be needed, especially since I'm too young to know by experience. I guess it's really about playing it by ear; if you think your child is old enough to make informed, wise decisions, then go for it. 15-16 is a pretty good benchmark for that anyway, I would think.

Even if you don’t have much experience parenting and are young I do appreciate the time you took to give input anyway. After all, you know what it’s like to be a trans person.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

What I meant was making everything you do about your gender, and having your personality rely on being trans.

Who does that.

[Sycar]

I find it very offensive that no one has recognized my gender yet. I sexually identify as a KF41 Lynx IFV, and the fact that no one ever talks about my gender or recognizes it hurts. The lack of representation of IFVs in the LGBTQ+ community is an outrage, and must be fixed. Take the pledge to recognize all IFVs, APCs, and MBTs and copy and paste "#recognizeAFVs" into your sig!
Edit: I'm being serious here.

I don't care if you're being serious. Sincere belief does not excuse trolling. *** Warned for trolling ***

You can identify as whatever you want, but when you "sexually identify" and harass trans people about it, that's not allowed.

I just want to ask a serious question and I swear that I'm not trying to troll here. How is that post trolling, and how did I harass trans people? I'm just explaining what I identify as and expressing how I feel about not being accepted.

[NERVUN]

I don't care if you're being serious. Sincere belief does not excuse trolling. *** Warned for trolling ***

You can identify as whatever you want, but when you "sexually identify" and harass trans people about it, that's not allowed.

I just want to ask a serious question and I swear that I'm not trying to troll here. How is that post trolling, and how did I harass trans people? I'm just explaining what I identify as and expressing how I feel about not being accepted.

Using a well known 'zinger' by trying to equate yourself with an inanimate object and juxtaposing that against transsexuals is trolling. Please don't waste our time attempting to claim otherwise. We've seen this before, many, many, many times.

[Sycar]

I just want to ask a serious question and I swear that I'm not trying to troll here. How is that post trolling, and how did I harass trans people? I'm just explaining what I identify as and expressing how I feel about not being accepted.

Using a well known 'zinger' by trying to equate yourself with an inanimate object and juxtaposing that against transsexuals is trolling. Please don't waste our time attempting to claim otherwise. We've seen this before, many, many, many times.

Thank you for explaining.

[First American Empire]

This but unironically.

Click my flag.

*Clicks*

Now there are four Hellenic Pagans on NationStates! I knew one of the communists here would be one. Soon we will collect a Hellenic Pagan forum-goer of every ideology, and on that day, we will rule NSG!

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

Soon we will collect a Hellenic Pagan forum-goer of every ideology, and on that day, we will rule NSG!

I’d just get the pagans, there’s no need to be exclusivist.

Technically I just picked Hekate, my identification with Greeks in particular is so-so. I know the mythology but If anything I’m familiar with Chinese philosophy. I also know Mesopotamia.

[First American Empire]

Soon we will collect a Hellenic Pagan forum-goer of every ideology, and on that day, we will rule NSG!

I’d just get the pagans, there’s no need to be exclusivist.

Technically I just picked Hekate, my identification with Greeks in particular is so-so. I know the mythology but If anything I’m familiar with Chinese philosophy. I also know Mesopotamia.

I don't know how many non-Greek Pagans there are on NationStates, I'm mainly familiar with the ones of my own religion. Washington Resistance Army and Hammer Britannia are the other two, by the way.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

Washington Resistance Army and Hammer Britannia are the other two, by the way.

yes, well there's some difference between being a nationalist and spiritual, even if I happen to agree with western individualist values (albeit in a socialist context). Can't say it matters much to leave behind abrahamism if one thinks the same.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I find it very offensive that no one has recognized my gender yet. I sexually identify as a KF41 Lynx IFV, and the fact that no one ever talks about my gender or recognizes it hurts. The lack of representation of IFVs in the LGBTQ+ community is an outrage, and must be fixed. Take the pledge to recognize all IFVs, APCs, and MBTs and copy and paste "#recognizeAFVs" into your sig!
Edit: I'm being serious here.

You are satirizing a phenomenon that, for the most part, does not exist.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

You are satirizing a phenomenon that, for the most part, does not exist.

He’s probably like 12.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

[Blueflarst]

I find it very offensive that no one has recognized my gender yet. I sexually identify as a KF41 Lynx IFV, and the fact that no one ever talks about my gender or recognizes it hurts. The lack of representation of IFVs in the LGBTQ+ community is an outrage, and must be fixed. Take the pledge to recognize all IFVs, APCs, and MBTs and copy and paste "#recognizeAFVs" into your sig!
Edit: I'm being serious here.

I don't care if you're being serious. Sincere belief does not excuse trolling. *** Warned for trolling ***

You can identify as whatever you want, but when you "sexually identify" and harass trans people about it, that's not allowed.

if he is serious you just became the opression you wanted to end

[Des-Bal]

You are satirizing a phenomenon that, for the most part, does not exist.

Being Transgender is a phenomenon that for the most part doesn't exist unless my calculations are off and and 1% is in greater than 50%. I've never seen anyone identify as a vehicle but I've seen them identify as genders that no evidence suggests exist, as genders that change based on unknown criteria, as multiple personalities with multiple genders, and as imaginary characters with multiple genders. I've never seen a Transgender factkin but dollars to donuts there's almost certainly someone out there claiming to share a soul with a person of the opposite sex. If you don't recognize a biological basis for being Transgender and don't have evidence to support the existence of the various forms you believe in where do you actually find skepticism.

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

I'm going to guess the same tried and true combination of ignoring, cherry picking, and willful misinterpretation that people have always used to fit ancient books into their modern sensibilities. It's why the bible was coincidentally exactly as cool with slavery as the people practicing and abolishing it were.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Being Transgender is a phenomenon that for the most part doesn't exist unless my calculations are off and and 1% is in greater than 50%. I've never seen anyone identify as a vehicle but I've seen them identify as genders that no evidence suggests exist, as genders that change based on unknown criteria, as multiple personalities with multiple genders, and as imaginary characters with multiple genders. I've never seen a Transgender factkin but dollars to donuts there's almost certainly someone out there claiming to share a soul with a person of the opposite sex. If you don't recognize a biological basis for being Transgender and don't have evidence to support the existence of the various forms you believe in where do you actually find skepticism.

I said for the most part. Yes, the "I identify as fox-kin, demiqueer, headmate supreme" people exist. But from lurking in and interacting with transgender circles, I haven't seen any of those people at all.

[Hediacrana]

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

I guess I’m just trying to cover all my bases hypothetically. Nervous future mom, you know. Which is perhaps me anticipating a lot, I’m not pregnant. But this is a thought that has occupied me a few times. Maybe I’m also seeking to overprotect a hypothetical child. Time will tell here, right?

I can certainly relate - I became a parent last year.

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

How do you reconcile queer theology with the Bible stating multiple times that homosexuality is immoral?

The very issue is that that's a contested interpretation. Ideally, I'd really suggest you just take a look at that book that I linked to in the post you replied to, it's excellent, but in lieu of that, take a look at https://www.queertheology.com/what-do-we-do-with-the-bible/ and the resources listed on that page.

[Cekoviu]

This post made me think about Jews, Arabs, and an uncomfortably large number of Americans.

I mean, I'm definitely bitter over having been circumcised, especially since that means if I decide to go for SRS that means there's less... "raw material" to work with.

My position towards it has always been not caring - doesn't matter if your penis was forcibly altered if you're not going to have it!

[Cekoviu]

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

My issue with most liberal theology involves the incredibly open attitude to sex, especially outside marriage, when the Bible consistently warns against sexual immorality. Jesus even teaches that you commit adultery in your heart if you look at another woman with lust.

That's dumb and it's good that people are fixing that sex-negativity.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I mean, I'm definitely bitter over having been circumcised, especially since that means if I decide to go for SRS that means there's less... "raw material" to work with.

My position towards it has always been not caring - doesn't matter if your penis was forcibly altered if you're not going to have it!

I care about it tbh. I think genital integrity is a human right. Luckily I was never circumcised, so if I want to get SRS I'm slightly less fucked.