TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Northern Davincia]

How are we defining valid?

LGBT people are people. Right? In the sense of religion, they’re part of God’s creation. Right? God is purported to be loving. Right? God also gives us free will. Right? Therefore they have a right to be who they want to be, even if there are consequences. Right? Because to God, a purported god of love, his creation matters and it has rights.

And free will is also provided to set others on the correct path, such is the case with parents and law enforcement and similar authority figures.

Being born with an extra arm is an abnormality, but removing it is not an act of malice.

Barring medical necessity, cutting off someone's arm without consent is always an act of malice.

I find absolutely no malice in removing a third arm.

Yes, God loves everyone. He does not, however, love every action we perform.

God should find something better to do with their time than care who we have sex with or whether people born with penises identify as women.

This distinction also doesn't make sense with regards to anything other than homosexuality. Which reveals that opposition to everything else (non-conforming performances of gender, transgender people, asexuality, etc.) is really just moralistic bigotry passing as religion. And also reveals that the original opposition to homosexuality was ALSO still that same arbitrary bigotry.

Does God still love me even though I don't experience romantic or sexual attraction? I don't know. Don't care. Don't know why God cares.
If I didn't identify with my biological sex, I don't know how that's an "action" or why God cares.

What you think of God doesn't really change anything. Asexuality isn't held to the same standard as abstinence is a virtue in Christianity.

[Hediacrana]

Just to detox from the Vatican's poison, here's a lovely prayer for Pride:

The Rainbow Christ Prayer
Rainbow Christ, you embody all the colors of the world. Rainbows serve as bridges between different realms: heaven and earth, east and west, queer and non-queer. Inspire us to remember the values expressed in the rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community.

Red is for life, the root of spirit. Living and Self-Loving Christ, you are our Root. Free us from shame and grant us the grace of healthy pride so we can follow our own inner light. With the red stripe in the rainbow, we give thanks that God created us just the way we are.

Orange is for sexuality, the fire of spirit. Erotic Christ, you are our Fire, the Word made flesh. Free us from exploitation and grant us the grace of mutual relationships. With the orange stripe in the rainbow, kindle a fire of passion in us.

Yellow is for self-esteem, the core of spirit. Out Christ, you are our Core. Free us from closets of secrecy and give us the guts and grace to come out. With the yellow stripe in the rainbow, build our confidence.

Green is for love, the heart of spirit. Transgressive Outlaw Christ, you are our Heart, breaking rules out of love. In a world obsessed with purity, you touch the sick and eat with outcasts. Free us from conformity and grant us the grace of deviance. With the green stripe in the rainbow, fill our hearts with untamed compassion for all beings.

Blue is for self-expression, the voice of spirit. Liberator Christ, you are our Voice, speaking out against all forms of oppression. Free us from apathy and grant us the grace of activism. With the blue stripe in the rainbow, motivate us to call for justice.

Violet is for vision, the wisdom of spirit. Interconnected Christ, you are our Wisdom, creating and sustaining the universe. Free us from isolation and grant us the grace of interdependence. With the violet stripe in the rainbow, connect us with others and with the whole creation.

Rainbow colors come together to make one light, the crown of universal consciousness. Hybrid and All-Encompassing Christ, you are our Crown, both human and divine. Free us from rigid categories and grant us the grace of interwoven identities. With the rainbow, lead us beyond black-and-white thinking to experience the whole spectrum of life.

Rainbow Christ, you light up the world. You make rainbows as a promise to support all life on earth. In the rainbow space, we can see all the hidden connections between sexualities, genders and races. Like the rainbow, may we embody all the colors of the world! Amen.

Source.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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I’d like to see your thoughts, if any, on this.

[Northern Davincia]

Just to detox from the Vatican's poison, here's a lovely prayer for Pride:

The Rainbow Christ Prayer
Rainbow Christ, you embody all the colors of the world. Rainbows serve as bridges between different realms: heaven and earth, east and west, queer and non-queer. Inspire us to remember the values expressed in the rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community.

Red is for life, the root of spirit. Living and Self-Loving Christ, you are our Root. Free us from shame and grant us the grace of healthy pride so we can follow our own inner light. With the red stripe in the rainbow, we give thanks that God created us just the way we are.

Orange is for sexuality, the fire of spirit. Erotic Christ, you are our Fire, the Word made flesh. Free us from exploitation and grant us the grace of mutual relationships. With the orange stripe in the rainbow, kindle a fire of passion in us.

Yellow is for self-esteem, the core of spirit. Out Christ, you are our Core. Free us from closets of secrecy and give us the guts and grace to come out. With the yellow stripe in the rainbow, build our confidence.

Green is for love, the heart of spirit. Transgressive Outlaw Christ, you are our Heart, breaking rules out of love. In a world obsessed with purity, you touch the sick and eat with outcasts. Free us from conformity and grant us the grace of deviance. With the green stripe in the rainbow, fill our hearts with untamed compassion for all beings.

Blue is for self-expression, the voice of spirit. Liberator Christ, you are our Voice, speaking out against all forms of oppression. Free us from apathy and grant us the grace of activism. With the blue stripe in the rainbow, motivate us to call for justice.

Violet is for vision, the wisdom of spirit. Interconnected Christ, you are our Wisdom, creating and sustaining the universe. Free us from isolation and grant us the grace of interdependence. With the violet stripe in the rainbow, connect us with others and with the whole creation.

Rainbow colors come together to make one light, the crown of universal consciousness. Hybrid and All-Encompassing Christ, you are our Crown, both human and divine. Free us from rigid categories and grant us the grace of interwoven identities. With the rainbow, lead us beyond black-and-white thinking to experience the whole spectrum of life.

Rainbow Christ, you light up the world. You make rainbows as a promise to support all life on earth. In the rainbow space, we can see all the hidden connections between sexualities, genders and races. Like the rainbow, may we embody all the colors of the world! Amen.

Source.

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

[Aidonaia]

And free will is also provided to set others on the correct path, such is the case with parents and law enforcement and similar authority figures.

Amusing, the “ancap” thinks law enforcement is a moral authority.

[Kowani]

Just to detox from the Vatican's poison, here's a lovely prayer for Pride:

The Rainbow Christ Prayer
Rainbow Christ, you embody all the colors of the world. Rainbows serve as bridges between different realms: heaven and earth, east and west, queer and non-queer. Inspire us to remember the values expressed in the rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community.

Red is for life, the root of spirit. Living and Self-Loving Christ, you are our Root. Free us from shame and grant us the grace of healthy pride so we can follow our own inner light. With the red stripe in the rainbow, we give thanks that God created us just the way we are.

Orange is for sexuality, the fire of spirit. Erotic Christ, you are our Fire, the Word made flesh. Free us from exploitation and grant us the grace of mutual relationships. With the orange stripe in the rainbow, kindle a fire of passion in us.

Yellow is for self-esteem, the core of spirit. Out Christ, you are our Core. Free us from closets of secrecy and give us the guts and grace to come out. With the yellow stripe in the rainbow, build our confidence.

Green is for love, the heart of spirit. Transgressive Outlaw Christ, you are our Heart, breaking rules out of love. In a world obsessed with purity, you touch the sick and eat with outcasts. Free us from conformity and grant us the grace of deviance. With the green stripe in the rainbow, fill our hearts with untamed compassion for all beings.

Blue is for self-expression, the voice of spirit. Liberator Christ, you are our Voice, speaking out against all forms of oppression. Free us from apathy and grant us the grace of activism. With the blue stripe in the rainbow, motivate us to call for justice.

Violet is for vision, the wisdom of spirit. Interconnected Christ, you are our Wisdom, creating and sustaining the universe. Free us from isolation and grant us the grace of interdependence. With the violet stripe in the rainbow, connect us with others and with the whole creation.

Rainbow colors come together to make one light, the crown of universal consciousness. Hybrid and All-Encompassing Christ, you are our Crown, both human and divine. Free us from rigid categories and grant us the grace of interwoven identities. With the rainbow, lead us beyond black-and-white thinking to experience the whole spectrum of life.

Rainbow Christ, you light up the world. You make rainbows as a promise to support all life on earth. In the rainbow space, we can see all the hidden connections between sexualities, genders and races. Like the rainbow, may we embody all the colors of the world! Amen.

Source.

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

Some things deserve mockery.

[Aidonaia]

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

It’s a book written by the Romans, why not worship one of their gods instead.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

It’s a book written by the Romans, why not worship one of their gods instead.

Since when was the Bible written by Romans?

[Hanafuridake]

Just to detox from the Vatican's poison, here's a lovely prayer for Pride:

Beautiful. You might appreciate the works of William Blake.

[Kowani]

It’s a book written by the Romans, why not worship one of their gods instead.

Since when was the Bible written by Romans?

That would depend on what part of it you look at.

OT no, NT by technicality.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Some things deserve mockery.

This isn't supposed to be mocking or satirical. That prayer is probably wholeheartedly meant.

[Hediacrana]

Just to detox from the Vatican's poison, here's a lovely prayer for Pride:

The Rainbow Christ Prayer
Rainbow Christ, you embody all the colors of the world. Rainbows serve as bridges between different realms: heaven and earth, east and west, queer and non-queer. Inspire us to remember the values expressed in the rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community.

Red is for life, the root of spirit. Living and Self-Loving Christ, you are our Root. Free us from shame and grant us the grace of healthy pride so we can follow our own inner light. With the red stripe in the rainbow, we give thanks that God created us just the way we are.

Orange is for sexuality, the fire of spirit. Erotic Christ, you are our Fire, the Word made flesh. Free us from exploitation and grant us the grace of mutual relationships. With the orange stripe in the rainbow, kindle a fire of passion in us.

Yellow is for self-esteem, the core of spirit. Out Christ, you are our Core. Free us from closets of secrecy and give us the guts and grace to come out. With the yellow stripe in the rainbow, build our confidence.

Green is for love, the heart of spirit. Transgressive Outlaw Christ, you are our Heart, breaking rules out of love. In a world obsessed with purity, you touch the sick and eat with outcasts. Free us from conformity and grant us the grace of deviance. With the green stripe in the rainbow, fill our hearts with untamed compassion for all beings.

Blue is for self-expression, the voice of spirit. Liberator Christ, you are our Voice, speaking out against all forms of oppression. Free us from apathy and grant us the grace of activism. With the blue stripe in the rainbow, motivate us to call for justice.

Violet is for vision, the wisdom of spirit. Interconnected Christ, you are our Wisdom, creating and sustaining the universe. Free us from isolation and grant us the grace of interdependence. With the violet stripe in the rainbow, connect us with others and with the whole creation.

Rainbow colors come together to make one light, the crown of universal consciousness. Hybrid and All-Encompassing Christ, you are our Crown, both human and divine. Free us from rigid categories and grant us the grace of interwoven identities. With the rainbow, lead us beyond black-and-white thinking to experience the whole spectrum of life.

Rainbow Christ, you light up the world. You make rainbows as a promise to support all life on earth. In the rainbow space, we can see all the hidden connections between sexualities, genders and races. Like the rainbow, may we embody all the colors of the world! Amen.

Source.

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Not at all; Queer theology is a serious endeavor, and has been around for decades, both in affirming congregations and in academia.This book by professor Marcella Althaus-Reid is a good starter.

My issue with most liberal theology involves the incredibly open attitude to sex, especially outside marriage, when the Bible consistently warns against sexual immorality. Jesus even teaches that you commit adultery in your heart if you look at another woman with lust.

[Aidonaia]

Jesus even teaches that you commit adultery in your heart if you look at another woman with lust.

Grovel and flog yourself. No trolling intended, it’s just what’s presented here.

[Hediacrana]

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I’d like to see your thoughts, if any, on this.

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

[Saciu]

Here's my opinion on being trans:
It's ok to be trans. However, if you are trans, don't try and make it part of your personality. Furthermore, to be trans, you need gender dysphoria, and there are almost certainly two genders. Forcing children into transitioning to fit your hardcore leftist ideology is child abuse.
It's ok to be transphobic. However, if you are transphobic, don't try and pass laws that prevent trans people from using their appropriate bathroom, being able to change their gender legally, and transitioning when necessary. Definitely don't incite violent against trans people.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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I’d like to see your thoughts, if any, on this.

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

I guess I’m just trying to cover all my bases hypothetically. Nervous future mom, you know. Which is perhaps me anticipating a lot, I’m not pregnant. But this is a thought that has occupied me a few times. Maybe I’m also seeking to overprotect a hypothetical child. Time will tell here, right?

[Saciu]

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

I guess I’m just trying to cover all my bases hypothetically. Nervous future mom, you know. Which is perhaps me anticipating a lot, I’m not pregnant. But this is a thought that has occupied me a few times. Maybe I’m also seeking to overprotect a hypothetical child. Time will tell here, right?

Your approach, I'd say, is ideal. I doubt there's a better was to deal with most intersex people.

[Iciaros]

Geez, these things always happen when I'm asleep, don't they. Well, I guess it's over now.

Just in case this was missed: viewtopic.php?p=35795790#p35795790

I’d like to see your thoughts, if any, on this.

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

Agreed. Personally I'm not sure about the 'right' age to begin HRT, but I guess it'd depend on the maturity of your child in particular. 15-16 is probably a sound benchmark, but it'd be good to be flexible with it if you think it's appropriate. Also, while I never intend to have children, I always thought it'd be nice to give my imaginary child a gender-neutral name, just in case. Having a very strongly gendered legal name myself has been very problematic for a few years now, and I think it would have been nice if my name had been a little more ambiguous about my sex.

Oh, and yes, full agreement with Hedi; I know you'll make a great parent.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Geez, these things always happen when I'm asleep, don't they. Well, I guess it's over now.

I have little to contribute other than that I think that's probably the way to go. I think any LGBT+ child would be lucky to have you as a parent.

Agreed. Personally I'm not sure about the 'right' age to begin HRT, but I guess it'd depend on the maturity of your child in particular. 15-16 is probably a sound benchmark, but it'd be good to be flexible with it if you think it's appropriate. Also, while I never intend to have children, I always thought it'd be nice to give my imaginary child a gender-neutral name, just in case. Having a very strongly gendered legal name myself has been very problematic for a few years now, and I think it would have been nice if my name had been a little more ambiguous about my sex.

Oh, and yes, full agreement with Hedi; I know you'll make a great parent.

On the flexibility comment, how much do you think is needed? 13, 12, 10 years of age depending on what’s expressed? I know mileage varies, of course, identity is usually felt stronger at an early age in some intersex and trans children.

I’m not pregnant but this is a scenario, from many, I like exploring.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

However, if you are trans, don't try and make it part of your personality.

The hell, my gender isn’t part of my personality?

It's ok to be transphobic.

Sure, and it’s ok to be racist - in hell.

[First American Empire]

This is little more than a mockery of scripture.

It’s a book written by the Romans, why not worship one of their gods instead.

This but unironically.

[Saciu]

Geez, these things always happen when I'm asleep, don't they. Well, I guess it's over now.



Agreed. Personally I'm not sure about the 'right' age to begin HRT, but I guess it'd depend on the maturity of your child in particular. 15-16 is probably a sound benchmark, but it'd be good to be flexible with it if you think it's appropriate. Also, while I never intend to have children, I always thought it'd be nice to give my imaginary child a gender-neutral name, just in case. Having a very strongly gendered legal name myself has been very problematic for a few years now, and I think it would have been nice if my name had been a little more ambiguous about my sex.

Oh, and yes, full agreement with Hedi; I know you'll make a great parent.

On the flexibility comment, how much do you think is needed? 13, 12, 10 years of age depending on what’s expressed? I know mileage varies, of course, identity is usually felt stronger at an early age in some intersex and trans children.

I’m not pregnant but this is a scenario, from many, I like exploring.

I'd say that before you're 14 or 15, it's never a good idea to be put on anything except blockers.It's best to speak to medical professionals about when to start with hormones. I know that here in the UK, 16 is the age where you can take hormones.

[Saciu]

However, if you are trans, don't try and make it part of your personality.

The hell, my gender isn’t part of my personality?

I never said gender was part of your personality. I wasn't addressing you. If I did, it was unintentional.

[Aidonaian Soviet Republic]

This but unironically.

Click my flag.