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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:32 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Andsed wrote:And how does pissing off one of the largest groups (many of whom are in positions of power) in the world and causing an international incident sound like a good idea?


Dabbing on transphobes is always a good idea of course.


By that you mean prompting the total hatred of millions? Probably never a good idea.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:32 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Andsed wrote:And how does pissing off one of the largest groups (many of whom are in positions of power) in the world and causing an international incident sound like a good idea?


Dabbing on transphobes is always a good idea of course.

Not when it leads to radicalizing one of the largest groups in the world to support those transphobes and leads to them lashing out. Seriously this is one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been proposed here on NS.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:34 pm

Andsed wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Dabbing on transphobes is always a good idea of course.

Not when it leads to radicalizing one of the largest groups in the world to support those transphobes and leads to them lashing out. Seriously this is one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been proposed here on NS.


Meh. We'll invade their homes with our unstoppable Glitzkrieg, too.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:35 pm

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Andsed wrote:Not when it leads to radicalizing one of the largest groups in the world to support those transphobes and leads to them lashing out. Seriously this is one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been proposed here on NS.


Meh. We'll invade their homes with our unstoppable Glitzkrieg, too.

Actually, the countries that would be fine with such a move would probably be beaten by the countries that would respond harshly.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Meh. We'll invade their homes with our unstoppable Glitzkrieg, too.

Actually, the countries that would be fine with such a move would probably be beaten by the countries that would respond harshly.


Nah, the transphobes don't have our fabulous power nor our Glitzkrieg on their side. It's an ez pz win for us.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Andsed wrote:Not when it leads to radicalizing one of the largest groups in the world to support those transphobes and leads to them lashing out. Seriously this is one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been proposed here on NS.


Meh. We'll invade their homes with our unstoppable Glitzkrieg, too.

Please tell me you just forgot the /s.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:37 pm

Andsed wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Meh. We'll invade their homes with our unstoppable Glitzkrieg, too.

Please tell me you just forgot the /s.


I am being 100% serious right now, obviously. We're forming up LGBTQ+ battalions for the Glitzkrieg on Rome as we speak.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:38 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Andsed wrote:Please tell me you just forgot the /s.


I am being 100% serious right now, obviously. We're forming up LGBTQ+ battalions for the Glitzkrieg on Rome as we speak.

Oh thank goodness your joking. I actually thought you might have been serious about invading the Vatican.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:47 pm

Andsed wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I am being 100% serious right now, obviously. We're forming up LGBTQ+ battalions for the Glitzkrieg on Rome as we speak.

Oh thank goodness your joking. I actually thought you might have been serious about invading the Vatican.


You may think I'm joking, but you just wait and see. You'll all see, you'll all SEE!
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Top Ten Ways to Start an Unnecessary Shitstorm.

Also Top Ten Ways to Lose Your Alliance with the Papal States in EU IV.

But this has really strayed from the issue of transgenderism, I think. OP needs to monitor the thread more for things like this.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Andsed wrote:Oh thank goodness your joking. I actually thought you might have been serious about invading the Vatican.


You may think I'm joking, but you just wait and see. You'll all see, you'll all SEE!

Fortunately we have the Swiss Guard.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You may think I'm joking, but you just wait and see. You'll all see, you'll all SEE!

Fortunately we have the Swiss Guard.


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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:43 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Fortunately we have the Swiss Guard.


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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You may think I'm joking, but you just wait and see. You'll all see, you'll all SEE!

Fortunately we have the Swiss Guard.


Nothing is a match for the fabulousness of the Glitzkrieg.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:02 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Fortunately we have the Swiss Guard.


Nothing is a match for the fabulousness of the Glitzkrieg.


Have you seen their uniforms?
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The Vatican also calls on doctors to ‘intervene’ on intersex patients, even when parents do not agree.

Intersex groups are against medically unnecessary procedures intended to ‘normalize’ infants at birth. Many of these procedures may impact a person’s quality of life.


Wait, so informed adults having sexual reassignment surgery performed is wrong, but doctors doing the procedure on babies is okay?
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:03 pm

Novus America wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nothing is a match for the fabulousness of the Glitzkrieg.


Have you seen their uniforms?


Nothing - not even their beautifully puffy uniforms - can match the sheer fabulousness of the Glitzkrieg. NOTHING.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:13 pm

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The Vatican also calls on doctors to ‘intervene’ on intersex patients, even when parents do not agree.

Intersex groups are against medically unnecessary procedures intended to ‘normalize’ infants at birth. Many of these procedures may impact a person’s quality of life.


Wait, so informed adults having sexual reassignment surgery performed is wrong, but doctors doing the procedure on babies is okay?


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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:


Wait, so informed adults having sexual reassignment surgery performed is wrong, but doctors doing the procedure on babies is okay?


One of those is annihilating nature, and the other one is correcting God's mistakes, because I guess he can make those now.

Faulty theological understanding aside, the Vatican is upholding what it has always believed in and expecting it to adopt an unbiblical perspective is silly.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
One of those is annihilating nature, and the other one is correcting God's mistakes, because I guess he can make those now.

Faulty theological understanding aside, the Vatican is upholding what it has always believed in and expecting it to adopt an unbiblical perspective is silly.


If you find the understanding to be faulty, then why not correct it? What are Hanafuridake and I misunderstanding?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:52 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Faulty theological understanding aside, the Vatican is upholding what it has always believed in and expecting it to adopt an unbiblical perspective is silly.


If you find the understanding to be faulty, then why not correct it? What are Hanafuridake and I misunderstanding?

God doesn't make mistakes. Exodus 4:11 and John 9:2-4 indicates that what us humans perceive as flaws are actually reminders to help those with "flaws."
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
If you find the understanding to be faulty, then why not correct it? What are Hanafuridake and I misunderstanding?

God doesn't make mistakes. Exodus 4:11 and John 9:2-4 indicates that what us humans perceive as flaws are actually reminders to help those with "flaws."


Which would mean all LGBTQ+ people are perfectly valid.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
If you find the understanding to be faulty, then why not correct it? What are Hanafuridake and I misunderstanding?

God doesn't make mistakes. Exodus 4:11 and John 9:2-4 indicates that what us humans perceive as flaws are actually reminders to help those with "flaws."

No? Counterexample: Pedophilia.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:58 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:God doesn't make mistakes. Exodus 4:11 and John 9:2-4 indicates that what us humans perceive as flaws are actually reminders to help those with "flaws."


Which would mean all LGBTQ+ people are perfectly valid.

Intentional, yes. Valid, no.
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Northern Davincia wrote:God doesn't make mistakes. Exodus 4:11 and John 9:2-4 indicates that what us humans perceive as flaws are actually reminders to help those with "flaws."

No? Counterexample: Pedophilia.

Can pedophiles not be rehabilitated or undergo therapy?
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