TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Washington Resistance Army]

... Are you just going to ignore the metric fuckton of evidence that multiple people have provided in these past ten or so pages that's both direct and supporting evidence that upholds the validity of genderfluidity as a concept? Really now?

The rest of what's being said is irrelevant, at the moment.

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

[Torrocca]

... Are you just going to ignore the metric fuckton of evidence that multiple people have provided in these past ten or so pages that's both direct and supporting evidence that upholds the validity of genderfluidity as a concept? Really now?

The rest of what's being said is irrelevant, at the moment.

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

... N'yope, it's definitely evidence alright. Multiple forms of different evidence that ultimately come together to support the general idea of the existence of genderfluidity, in fact. I'm sure you'll see that the evidence isn't on your side, but from how you're arguing it's more likely you'll just keep trying to dismiss the evidence with a couple of potshot statements.

[Cappuccina]

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

I hope it isn't, I really hope people aren't that stupid. So far the community has done a great job pushing back against that trash. As it stands, only pedos are supporting that cancer.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

My last contributions to this ongoing debate: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psycho ... tity%3famp

This article was written by a doctor, Ritch C Savin-Williams Ph.D.

This other article is worthy of been read on the subject of gender fluidity: https://adaa.org/sexual-gender-minority-individuals

This article names cultures in which gender fluidity has been observed: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refine ... es-history

[Cappuccina]

My last contributions to this ongoing debate: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psycho ... tity%3famp

This article was written by a doctor, Ritch C Savin-Williams Ph.D.

This other article is worthy of been read on the subject of gender fluidity: https://adaa.org/sexual-gender-minority-individuals

This article names cultures in which gender fluidity has been observed: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refine ... es-history

I mean, beyond describing genderfluid people and how much anxiety they feel about the "restrictions of binary gendered society" and some, admittedly interesting cultural trivia, it doesn't add much definitively to the idea that it's actually a thing in biology.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

My last contributions to this ongoing debate: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psycho ... tity%3famp

This article was written by a doctor, Ritch C Savin-Williams Ph.D.

This other article is worthy of been read on the subject of gender fluidity: https://adaa.org/sexual-gender-minority-individuals

This article names cultures in which gender fluidity has been observed: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refine ... es-history

I mean, beyond describing genderfluid people and how much anxiety they feel about the "restrictions of binary gendered society" and some, admittedly interesting cultural trivia, it doesn't add much definitively to the idea that it's actually a thing in biology.

At a psychological level, which is deeply tied in with many biological processes too. I don’t think we can divorce psychology or psychiatry from biology easily. Gender incongruence itself, in which gender fluidity is included, causes a host of issues and behaviors that are/or can be distressing to the person’s body.

[Des-Bal]

At a psychological level, which is deeply tied in with many biological processes too. I don’t think we can divorce psychology or psychiatry from biology easily. Gender incongruence itself, in which gender fluidity is included, causes a host of issues and behaviors that are/or can be distressing to the person’s body.

I'd agree that we can't easily divorce the two which is why I don't really get why we're expected to assume such a divorce here. To assume that despite the evidence that gender is influenced by genetics, hormones, and the structure of the brain that it can also turn on a dime when not a single piece of evidence actually shows this. All of the information compiled to substantiate genderfluid people could be compiled about transage people, about otherkin, about people with past lives. If they feel anxious, if they feel persecuted, if some culture somewhere has accepted them it really isn't evidence about the thing that actually matters: Is this genuinely thing you can be? Gender incongruence can be quite harmful because it's not a social club it's a disconnect at the biological level.

We know that transgender women are different from cisgender men, there is a body of evidence on it and despite the fog of the infinitely complex human psyche it's been proven. We've studied hormone uptake, information processing, and looked at brain scans and it's been pretty consistently shown that whatever's happening it looks quite a bit like what happens with cisgender people of the opposite sex. Please note all the things I didn't do when I just claimed and substantiated that transgender people were real. Never did I have to mention a culture that accepted transgender people, I didn't have to say what organizations were on board with the idea of their existence, I wasn't making wild extrapolations based on tangenitally related evidence, and I never had to say "talk to one there are a couple here." The facts suggesting transgender people are real speak for themselve just like supporting facts always should.

We just do not know that about gender fluid people. We just don't and accepting them as legitimate but not transage, transracial, or transable people is not being tolerant, open, or progressive, it's just the worst combination of dishonesty, myopia, and selective ignorance. You can't predicate your belief in someone's claims on their proximity to you or how sympathetic you find them because apart from it leading you to improper conclusions it's monstrously unfair to people who you don't know or don't like.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBko9US79VQ

For those of you who don't know him. Sam Bettens (formerly known as Sarah) is a Belgian singer from the band K's Choice. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLu1DOc1lE as a song for example).

So another celebrity (well, in this part at least) comes out as trans.

[Central European Commonwealth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBko9US79VQ

For those of you who don't know him. Sam Bettens (formerly known as Sarah) is a Belgian singer from the band K's Choice. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLu1DOc1lE as a song for example).

So another celebrity (well, in this part at least) comes out as trans.

Heard about it last week. Growing up in the southern Netherlands, K's Choice was a rather big name there, and I was massively into them as a teenager. Looking back at it, likely because it turns out that much of the things Sam sang about 20 years ago was extremely relatable in many ways.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBko9US79VQ

For those of you who don't know him. Sam Bettens (formerly known as Sarah) is a Belgian singer from the band K's Choice. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLu1DOc1lE as a song for example).

So another celebrity (well, in this part at least) comes out as trans.

Heard about it last week. Growing up in the southern Netherlands, K's Choice was a rather big name there, and I was massively into them as a teenager. Looking back at it, likely because it turns out that much of the things Sam sang about 20 years ago was extremely relatable in many ways.

Yeah, it was a rather big name here. I grew up down South as well. Got an album stashed away somewhere

[Cekoviu]

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

I think the fact that that demonstrably harms people makes it very unlikely to be a cause supported by anyone but pedophiles.

[Auzkhia]

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

I think the fact that that demonstrably harms people makes it very unlikely to be a cause supported by anyone but pedophiles.

That and "paedosexual" are 4chan psyops in order to sow doubt on LGBTQ rights. MAPs are right wing socks

[Des-Bal]

That and "paedosexual" are 4chan psyops in order to sow doubt on LGBTQ rights. MAPs are right wing socks

There was totally a thing where trolls were saying "MAP" was a rebranding and they mada a flag and everything but NAMBLA has been trying to associate itself with the LGBT for a very long time. Back in '94 ILGA got shit for counting them as a member organization and a lot of people had to do a lot of work to separate pedophilia from LGBT issues. I don't think any mainstream group is going to accept pedophilia as a legitimate sexuality or something worthy of support but there's no doubting people are going to continue using the language and attitudes of unequivocal acceptance to tie their stupid things to legitimate issues.

[The Rich Port]

That and "paedosexual" are 4chan psyops in order to sow doubt on LGBTQ rights. MAPs are right wing socks

There was totally a thing where trolls were saying "MAP" was a rebranding and they mada a flag and everything but NAMBLA has been trying to associate itself with the LGBT for a very long time. Back in '94 ILGA got shit for counting them as a member organization and a lot of people had to do a lot of work to separate pedophilia from LGBT issues. I don't think any mainstream group is going to accept pedophilia as a legitimate sexuality or something worthy of support but there's no doubting people are going to continue using the language and attitudes of unequivocal acceptance to tie their stupid things to legitimate issues.

If that's true, that issue is almost older than I am. I'm 27 years old.

Maybe it's time for people, yourself included, to let it die.

[Vassenor]

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

Congratulations, you fell for a 4chan catfish hook, line and sinker.

[Des-Bal]

If that's true, that issue is almost older than I am. I'm 27 years old.

Maybe it's time for people, yourself included, to let it die.

I don't really get what you're talking about here. The problem is that genuine weirdos like otherkin and pedophiles have historically and are presently linking themselves to the lgbt as a form of legitimacy. I can't call them off, I don't own the internet.

[The Rich Port]

It isn't evidence is speculation. You're jumping to conclusions hoping that it's a thing, I'll suspend my belief til it's a sure thing thank you very much.

The second half of my post is relevant to the overall theme and the state of trans culture. There's an obsession with including everything under the sun in LBGT, thanks to God the MAPs are being repulsed like the plague, at least we're that sane.

tbh part of me thinks the MAP bullshit is going to be the next big push for equality for some people after trans rights are really solidified and that thought makes me really angry

I seriously doubt that. The only people who think the LGBT movement at all supports pedophiles are people looking to slander it completely, or they want to believe that that's true because it means their dislike of homosexuality is therefore justifiable.

Even my parents, who dislike homosexuals, aren't so ridiculous as to directly associate the two concepts.

It's literally an Ancient view of homosexuality, Ancient Greek view, to be precise.

[Galloism]

Congratulations, you fell for a 4chan catfish hook, line and sinker.

Sadly, if enough people do, it becomes reality. They're pretty insidious that way.

Our company just spent a truly ridiculous amount of money removing the "ok" hand gesture from every piece of documentation and training we have.

[The Rich Port]

If that's true, that issue is almost older than I am. I'm 27 years old.

Maybe it's time for people, yourself included, to let it die.

I don't really get what you're talking about here. The problem is that genuine weirdos like otherkin and pedophiles have historically and are presently linking themselves to the lgbt as a form of legitimacy. I can't call them off, I don't own the internet.

There's nothing really inherently wrong with being an otherkin, is there?

There's plenty of innocuous otherkin. Sure, some of them are out of control, but that's nothing getting slapped with some common sense can't fix.

Congratulations, you fell for a 4chan catfish hook, line and sinker.

Sadly, if enough people do, it becomes reality. They're pretty insidious that way.

Our company just spent a truly ridiculous amount of money removing the "ok" hand gesture from every piece of documentation and training we have.

... Why?

[Vassenor]

I don't really get what you're talking about here. The problem is that genuine weirdos like otherkin and pedophiles have historically and are presently linking themselves to the lgbt as a form of legitimacy. I can't call them off, I don't own the internet.

There's nothing really inherently wrong with being an otherkin, is there?

There's plenty of innocuous otherkin. Sure, some of them are out of control, but that's nothing getting slapped with some common sense can't fix.

Sadly, if enough people do, it becomes reality. They're pretty insidious that way.

Our company just spent a truly ridiculous amount of money removing the "ok" hand gesture from every piece of documentation and training we have.

... Why?

Because white supremacists started using it in order to make their critics look unhinged.

[Galloism]

Sadly, if enough people do, it becomes reality. They're pretty insidious that way.

Our company just spent a truly ridiculous amount of money removing the "ok" hand gesture from every piece of documentation and training we have.

... Why?

Because they trolled society, and society took the bait.

[Des-Bal]

I seriously doubt that. The only people who think the LGBT movement at all supports pedophiles are people looking to slander it completely, or they want to believe that that's true because it means their dislike of homosexuality is therefore justifiable.

Even my parents, who dislike homosexuals, aren't so ridiculous as to directly associate the two concepts.

It's literally an Ancient view of homosexuality, Ancient Greek view, to be precise.

The knife is a stone age concept and yet there are still plenty around. People are alive today who grew up with their government endorsing "Boys Beware," a film which draws literally no distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality, as an educational tool. There's an older generation with these ideas and a newer generation ready to be rooked by new ones- it's why consistent education is the only way to fight racism. Getting complacent about toxic narratives is never wise.

There's nothing really inherently wrong with being an otherkin, is there?

There's plenty of innocuous otherkin. Sure, some of them are out of control, but that's nothing getting slapped with some common sense can't fix.

Nothing wrong with them at all except the fact they're wrong and weird. The problem arises when "Species Dysphoria" is used to tie being otherkin to transgender issues and either saps legitimacy from a real thing either hurting transgender people's standing by making them look crazy or turning the entire LGBT into let's pretend party.

[Galloism]

Because white supremacists started using it in order to make their critics look unhinged.

Mission fucking accomplished, I guess.

[The Rich Port]

... Why?

Because they trolled society, and society took the bait.

Can't tell who's dumber...

Then again, who the heck even uses that hand symbol anymore XD

Next they're gonna be turning the hurdy gurdy into "the instrument of white power".

Is it really a troll if the article mentions what the dumb prank is?

Granted... Should you really be encouraging it by doing that, Galloism?

Granted, I'm sure you're not in control of that, but at least tell your bosses you'd be encoraging it.

Of course, damned if you do, damned if you don't applies here.

Well, at least that one idiot got banned.

[Proctopeo]

Because white supremacists started using it in order to make their critics look unhinged.

Mission fucking accomplished, I guess.

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