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She shouldn't have said anything, money matters more than ethics, the bar was right to fire her
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11%
She was right to speak up, ethics matter more than money, the bar was wrong to fire her
60
56%
She shouldn't have said anything, but the bar was wrong to fire her anyways
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7%
She was right to speak up, but the bar was right to fire her
22
21%
Unsure/no opinion
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed May 22, 2019 2:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Most trans mascs and men I came across were either gay, bi, pan, or ace, and gay and ace trans men are obviously not attracted to women. Het trans men are not lesbians, they're straight men. It's erasure at its finest in many cases.

I know like 10 trans men irl very well, and not a single one is straight, oddly enough.

I had this conversation too, and most of my trans friends are nonbinary, who are usually bi/pan, sometimes ace, and a couple that id as lesbian. I think all the binary trans people I know are LGBPA.

I'm definitely queer both with gender and sexuality.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 2:14 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I know like 10 trans men irl very well, and not a single one is straight, oddly enough.

I had this conversation too, and most of my trans friends are nonbinary, who are usually bi/pan, sometimes ace, and a couple that id as lesbian. I think all the binary trans people I know are LGBPA.

I'm definitely queer both with gender and sexuality.

I don't know any trans people who are definitely straight, though I know a trans girl who's only had boyfriends after coming out (but that could mean she's bi, pan, or straight).
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed May 22, 2019 2:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I had this conversation too, and most of my trans friends are nonbinary, who are usually bi/pan, sometimes ace, and a couple that id as lesbian. I think all the binary trans people I know are LGBPA.

I'm definitely queer both with gender and sexuality.

I don't know any trans people who are definitely straight, though I know a trans girl who's only had boyfriends after coming out (but that could mean she's bi, pan, or straight).

Probably bi/pan. Bisexuality is more common than a lot of people think.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 22, 2019 2:16 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:I had this conversation too, and most of my trans friends are nonbinary, who are usually bi/pan, sometimes ace, and a couple that id as lesbian. I think all the binary trans people I know are LGBPA.

I'm definitely queer both with gender and sexuality.

I don't know any trans people who are definitely straight, though I know a trans girl who's only had boyfriends after coming out (but that could mean she's bi, pan, or straight).

Honestly I've given up all sexual identifiers for myself except in joke format
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 2:19 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I don't know any trans people who are definitely straight, though I know a trans girl who's only had boyfriends after coming out (but that could mean she's bi, pan, or straight).

Honestly I've given up all sexual identifiers for myself except in joke format

Fair. I've at least narrowed it down to bi/pan.
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Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Honestly I've given up all sexual identifiers for myself except in joke format

Fair. I've at least narrowed it down to bi/pan.

That's fair. Pan makes the most sense for me but I feel like even that is sorta falling flat
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 2:34 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Fair. I've at least narrowed it down to bi/pan.

That's fair. Pan makes the most sense for me but I feel like even that is sorta falling flat

How?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 22, 2019 2:38 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That's fair. Pan makes the most sense for me but I feel like even that is sorta falling flat

How?

Like Pan technically means everything but there's a ton of other identifiers like furry and stuff that still match up so like, I just kinda admit I'm attracted to something and move on.
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 2:42 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:How?

Like Pan technically means everything but there's a ton of other identifiers like furry and stuff that still match up so like, I just kinda admit I'm attracted to something and move on.

Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)
Muslim, Female, Not white..... oppression points x3!!!!
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 22, 2019 2:45 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Like Pan technically means everything but there's a ton of other identifiers like furry and stuff that still match up so like, I just kinda admit I'm attracted to something and move on.

Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)

Yeah but neither does pan really subscribe to it.
Like it's hard to explain but it just feels like a limiting term to me
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I am a girl, damnit
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 2:45 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Like Pan technically means everything but there's a ton of other identifiers like furry and stuff that still match up so like, I just kinda admit I'm attracted to something and move on.

Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)

Furry isn't even a fetish tho
Вы любите изучать исторические собаки, потому что вы -- злая тетрадь.
I often leave my posts unintentionally vague, so if you find yourself needing to make assumptions to piece together my positions, please just ask me to clarify.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 2:50 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)

Yeah but neither does pan really subscribe to it.
Like it's hard to explain but it just feels like a limiting term to me

I don't see how, pan is literally everything.

Cekoviu wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)

Furry isn't even a fetish tho

I mean, not inherently, sure.
Muslim, Female, Not white..... oppression points x3!!!!
"The hope of a new politics does not lie in formulating a left-wing reply to the right, it lies in rejecting conventional political categories." -Christopher Lasch
Automobile fan!!! ^_^
Left/Right: -5.25
SocLib/Auth: 2.46

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 2:51 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah but neither does pan really subscribe to it.
Like it's hard to explain but it just feels like a limiting term to me

I don't see how, pan is literally everything.

Pansexual means you're attracted to all genders, but not everything that exists.
Вы любите изучать исторические собаки, потому что вы -- злая тетрадь.
I often leave my posts unintentionally vague, so if you find yourself needing to make assumptions to piece together my positions, please just ask me to clarify.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)

Furry isn't even a fetish tho


It’s really considered a subculture but some people are indeed attracted to having sex while wearing those mascot suits. That could qualify as a fetish.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 22, 2019 2:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I don't see how, pan is literally everything.

Pansexual means you're attracted to all genders, but not everything that exists.

See there kinda falls my point. Like does pan cover my attraction to Garrus Vakerian?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 2:54 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Like Pan technically means everything but there's a ton of other identifiers like furry and stuff that still match up so like, I just kinda admit I'm attracted to something and move on.

Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)


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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 2:55 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I don't see how, pan is literally everything.

Pansexual means you're attracted to all genders, but not everything that exists.


That's everything that needs to be said. I don't understand what else she want the term to describe.
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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 2:57 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Furry is a fetish though...not a sex or gender to be attracted to. ;)


Hello. Great to be here today. We're from ThatsNotASexuality and we're looking forward to sharing with you some of our finest freshly-cooked kinkshames.
:p

What if my kink is being freshly baked?
Muslim, Female, Not white..... oppression points x3!!!!
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Left/Right: -5.25
SocLib/Auth: 2.46

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 2:59 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Hello. Great to be here today. We're from ThatsNotASexuality and we're looking forward to sharing with you some of our finest freshly-cooked kinkshames.
:p

What if my kink is being freshly baked?

Then we're confiscating your oven immediately, because fun is not allowed here.
Cappuccina wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Pansexual means you're attracted to all genders, but not everything that exists.


That's everything that needs to be said. I don't understand what else she want the term to describe.

I've heard of attraction to robots. Idk.
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Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 2:59 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Hello. Great to be here today. We're from ThatsNotASexuality and we're looking forward to sharing with you some of our finest freshly-cooked kinkshames.
:p

What if my kink is being freshly baked?


You remind me of someone. Did you use to work for the robot police? Have you been the victim of an unfortunate crushing accident?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 3:00 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cappuccina wrote: :p

What if my kink is being freshly baked?


You remind me of someone. Did you use to work for the robot police? Have you been the victim of an unfortunate crushing accident?

Are you speaking of our lord and savior Wall-E?
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Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 3:08 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cappuccina wrote: :p

What if my kink is being freshly baked?

Then we're confiscating your oven immediately, because fun is not allowed here.
Cappuccina wrote:
That's everything that needs to be said. I don't understand what else she want the term to describe.

I've heard of attraction to robots. Idk.

Aw.. I like my oven. :(

Liking robots is a fetish, not a sexuality....
Muslim, Female, Not white..... oppression points x3!!!!
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 3:16 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Then we're confiscating your oven immediately, because fun is not allowed here.

I've heard of attraction to robots. Idk.

Aw.. I like my oven. :(

Liking robots is a fetish, not a sexuality....

No, I've spoken to someone who was specifically attracted exclusively to robots, not humans.
Вы любите изучать исторические собаки, потому что вы -- злая тетрадь.
I often leave my posts unintentionally vague, so if you find yourself needing to make assumptions to piece together my positions, please just ask me to clarify.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Postby Auzkhia » Wed May 22, 2019 3:46 pm

I'm still bisexual but it feels like it has taken a back seat since I am nonbinary trans, because a lot of people define sexuality in relationships with men and/or women.

It feels like all nonbinary people could be considered queer, not just because of their gender, even though genderqueer is a synonym, but sexually queer.

Fellas, is it gay to be nonbinary? Only if you want to label like it. I just say I'm bi, pan, and queer when asked about my sexual orientation.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 22, 2019 3:48 pm

Auzkhia wrote:I'm still bisexual but it feels like it has taken a back seat since I am nonbinary trans, because a lot of people define sexuality in relationships with men and/or women.

It feels like all nonbinary people could be considered queer, not just because of their gender, even though genderqueer is a synonym, but sexually queer.

Fellas, is it gay to be nonbinary? Only if you want to label like it. I just say I'm bi, pan, and queer when asked about my sexual orientation.


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