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Who is your favorite trans person (actual or suspected, 1900-1960)?

Lucy Hicks Anderson
1
5%
Dora Richter
1
5%
Michael Dillon
2
10%
Billy Tipton
1
5%
Christine Jorgensen
6
30%
Roberta Cowell
1
5%
Harry Allen
1
5%
Miss Major Griffin-Gracy
3
15%
Lynn Conway
2
10%
Jacqueline Charlotte Dufresnoy
2
10%
 
Total votes : 20

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 5:54 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Them: "'There's no such thing as a girl with a dick'

what a time to be alive where this is considered a controversial statement"

You: "Look, an offensive comment distinguishing between a transgender people and traps"

:roll:


I'm sorry, are any of those top comments like the two I listed?


It was literally used in the context of whether or not trap refers to trans people. 10/10 for using those context clues.

It's not an accusation, it's literally in the fucking words ffs.


Again, do you or do you not understand what "trap", as a word, means?


Are you have a very specific kind of stroke? You posted 2 comments. 1 comment was transphobic and never used the word trap. The other post expressed admiration for traps and disdain for transgender people implying the two are not the same. You've got which one is which exactly backwards. Hint: The one I said doesn't use the word trap is not the one with the word trap in it.

One of your comments made my point and the other point made no point at all.

Again, you're bitching about the internet's naming conventions. Do you understand what a Doge is? It has nothing to do with Shiba Inus. The word trap simply did not imply the subject was maliciously tricking people.


Look, I don't care how much you try to peddle this, "trap" is a slur.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

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Because you're fucking accusing me of being a sleazy piece of shit and committing to rule-breaking behavior, the second of fucking which is more than enough reason to make a report in your case. That you're explicitly not doing fucking that despite making these bullshit fucking accusations of yours is pretty telling that all you give a fuck about is insulting me by treating me like I'm some sort of dishonest cunt.

Your continued frenzied reactions make this nuclear self-own all the more damaging to you, you know.
It's high time you calm down before you burn away more and more.


Fucking. Report. It. I fucking dare you, if you're going to make these fucking bullshit accusations of yours to try and get a rise out of me or whatever the fuck horseshit it is you're trying to fucking pull here.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 5:56 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Them: "'There's no such thing as a girl with a dick'

what a time to be alive where this is considered a controversial statement"

You: "Look, an offensive comment distinguishing between a transgender people and traps"

:roll:


I'm sorry, are any of those top comments like the two I listed?


It was literally used in the context of whether or not trap refers to trans people. 10/10 for using those context clues.

It's not an accusation, it's literally in the fucking words ffs.


Again, do you or do you not understand what "trap", as a word, means?


Are you have a very specific kind of stroke? You posted 2 comments. 1 comment was transphobic and never used the word trap. The other post expressed admiration for traps and disdain for transgender people implying the two are not the same. You've got which one is which exactly backwards. Hint: The one I said doesn't use the word trap is not the one with the word trap in it.

One of your comments made my point and the other point made no point at all.

Again, you're bitching about the internet's naming conventions. Do you understand what a Doge is? It has nothing to do with Shiba Inus. The word trap simply did not imply the subject was maliciously tricking people.


Necroghastia wrote:
What exactly do you think the word "trap" means? Not in reference to a person, but an actual, literal trap. What does it mean?


Care to answer my question?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 5:58 pm



It took you over three hours to find a single instance of "trap" being targeted maliciously at a transgender person.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 21, 2019 5:59 pm

Des-Bal wrote:


It took you over three hours to find a single instance of "trap" being targeted maliciously at a transgender person.

Really makes you think, dunnit?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 5:59 pm

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It took you over three hours to find a single instance of "trap" being targeted maliciously at a transgender person.


That came from the post linked in that r/drama thread, thank you very much.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 5:59 pm

Necroghastia wrote:Care to answer my question?


No.

Do you understand what a Doge is? It has nothing to do with Shiba Inus. The word trap simply did not imply the subject was maliciously tricking people.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 6:00 pm

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Care to answer my question?


No.

Do you understand what a Doge is? It has nothing to do with Shiba Inus. The word trap simply did not imply the subject was maliciously tricking people.


Except that, yes, it did. Or are we going to ignore the fact that the Admiral Akbar meme (which fucking started this whole "trap" business) comes from the context of a scene in the fucking movie where the Rebel fleet was maliciously deceived into believing that the second Death Star was inoperational?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 21, 2019 6:01 pm

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Postby Maydona » Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm

Personally I don't think "trap" is a slur when referring to a cross dressing male who wants to be seen that way.

However, referring to transwomen as "traps" can get us killed in certain situations. Take example a guy who doesn't know the person he's dating is transwoman and when she reveals herself to him as being trans during sex this man can legally kill the transwoman in "self defense" because it's seen as him getting tricked or, as the name suggests falling for a "trap". This is why transwomen cannot stand the term trap because it's a way to legally getting away with murdering us.

And if you don't believe me there are plenty of cases out there you can look up for yourself.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Care to answer my question?


No.

Do you understand what a Doge is? It has nothing to do with Shiba Inus. The word trap simply did not imply the subject was maliciously tricking people.


So you have no interest in actually explaining why the word trap is being used, and thus no interest in a reasonable discussion. Nice to confirm, at least.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
That came from the post linked in that r/drama thread, thank you very much.


Why did you tell me that?

See the post linked in the r/drama thread featured a transgender person angrily declaring they weren't a trap whereupon it was pointed out that nobody called them a trap and that traps weren't transgender people. I'm less impressed by that because if she said "don't call me a diznod" dollars to doughnuts someone was going to reply "fuck you you fucking diznod." Diznod is not a slur. Diznod is not offensive. Diznod is not a word.

You finally gave me a pen and then revealed it was gum the entire time.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That came from the post linked in that r/drama thread, thank you very much.


Why did you tell me that?

See the post linked in the r/drama thread featured a transgender person angrily declaring they weren't a trap whereupon it was pointed out that nobody called them a trap and that traps weren't transgender people. I'm less impressed by that because if she said "don't call me a diznod" dollars to doughnuts someone was going to reply "fuck you you fucking diznod." Diznod is not a slur. Diznod is not offensive. Diznod is not a word.

You finally gave me a pen and then revealed it was gum the entire time.


And then they were called a trap in the most slur-like manner possible. All else is irrelevant.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Except that, yes, it did. Or are we going to ignore the fact that the Admiral Akbar meme (which fucking started this whole "trap" business) comes from the context of a scene in the fucking movie where the Rebel fleet was maliciously deceived into believing that the second Death Star was inoperational?


Yes and it was paired with pictures of cisgender men, non of whom I know of that sought to maliciously trick people.

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So you have no interest in actually explaining why the word trap is being used, and thus no interest in a reasonable discussion. Nice to confirm, at least.


I did explain it, star wars and anime. What you are hoping to discuss is whether or not the name makes sense or is the best possible name, something you should take up with a timelord.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Except that, yes, it did. Or are we going to ignore the fact that the Admiral Akbar meme (which fucking started this whole "trap" business) comes from the context of a scene in the fucking movie where the Rebel fleet was maliciously deceived into believing that the second Death Star was inoperational?


Yes and it was paired with pictures of cisgender men, non of whom I know of that sought to maliciously trick people.


Which doesn't matter; they were being painted as if they were trying to maliciously deceive people, which is fucking obvious from the context of the Akbar meme.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm

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And then they were called a trap in the most slur-like manner possible. All else is irrelevant.


Are you arguing the word trap is as offensive to transgender people as Diznod?
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Except that, yes, it did. Or are we going to ignore the fact that the Admiral Akbar meme (which fucking started this whole "trap" business) comes from the context of a scene in the fucking movie where the Rebel fleet was maliciously deceived into believing that the second Death Star was inoperational?


Yes and it was paired with pictures of cisgender men, non of whom I know of that sought to maliciously trick people.

Necroghastia wrote:
So you have no interest in actually explaining why the word trap is being used, and thus no interest in a reasonable discussion. Nice to confirm, at least.


I did explain it, star wars and anime. What you are hoping to discuss is whether or not the name makes sense or is the best possible name, something you should take up with a timelord.


You didn't explain jack, diddly, or even shit. Why was that word the one chosen to use? What is the original definition of the word?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:10 pm

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Which doesn't matter; they were being painted as if they were trying to maliciously deceive people, which is fucking obvious from the context of the Akbar meme.


No they really weren't.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Necroghastia wrote:

You didn't explain jack, diddly, or even shit. Why was that word the one chosen to use? What is the original definition of the word?



Yeah I did.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 6:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 6:12 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
And then they were called a trap in the most slur-like manner possible. All else is irrelevant.


Are you arguing the word trap is as offensive to transgender people as Diznod?


Your argument about "diznod" or whatever's a bullshit non-sequitur, and you know it.

Des-Bal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Which doesn't matter; they were being painted as if they were trying to maliciously deceive people, which is fucking obvious from the context of the Akbar meme.


No they really weren't.


Holy fuck, yes they were, and that's blindingly obvious from the context of the Akbar meme and the very definition of "trap" that you keep deliberately ignoring. There's literally no good context to calling somebody a trap, cis or trans. It's a slur.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 21, 2019 6:14 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:I'M A PIONEER, I'M AN EXPLORER! I'M A HUMAN AND I'M COMIN'! I'M ANIMATED, I'M ALIVE! MY HEART'S BIG, IT'S GOT HOT BLOOD GOING THROUGH IT FAST! I LIKE TO FIGHT TOO! I LIKE TO EAT! I LIKE TO HAVE CHILDREN! I'M HERE! I GOT A LIFE FORCE, THIS IS A HUMAN, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE ACT LIKE! THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY WAS LIKE BEFORE US! THIS IS WHAT I AM, I'M A THROWBACK, I'M HERE! I GOT THE FIRE OF HUMAN LIBERTY. I'M SETTING FIRE'S EVERYWHERE, AND HUMANS ARE TURNING ON EVERYWHERE!

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 6:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:

You didn't explain jack, diddly, or even shit. Why was that word the one chosen to use? What is the original definition of the word?



Yeah I did.

Des-Bal wrote:
Admiral Ackbar and the fact that what is expected is not what is discovered.


First off, I believe I also asked you to source that this was indeed the origin of the term. Second off, that still does not explain jack, diddly, or shit. Why was this the reference used? Why was the term created in the first place? What is the original definition, and how in all hell does it not play a role in the connotations of the slur?
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 6:14 pm

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Your argument about "diznod" or whatever's a bullshit non-sequitur, and you know it.


Holy fuck, yes they were, and that's blindingly obvious from the context of the Akbar meme and the very definition of "trap" that you keep deliberately ignoring. There's literally no good context to calling somebody a trap, cis or trans. It's a slur.


A non-sequitur is something that does not logically follow. I laid out the logic. I walked with you, hand in hand, down the road of exactly why the fact someone announcing a word would offend them directly before they were called the word takes weight from the idea the word is typically or even often used to offend. If it doesn't follow it's not because it wasn't connected it's because you got lost.


No they weren't and no it's not.
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