TDT 4: What the $#@! is a "womxn", anyways?

[Galloism]

As a sexist slur. That's how it's commonly used in modern society, and that's how it should be viewed as a result.

I mean, not really. Every instance I've seen of the term "toxic masculinity" being used has been in reference to genuinely toxic behavior that-

Every time I hear it, I hear "nigger", and even though some comedians assure us that there's a marked difference between black people are niggers, this is not a valid interpretation of modern usage and society.

JFC, are you serious?

This is one of the greatest loads of horseshit I've read in a long while.

Yes, this is how I see it used when it is used in its normal context, and that's how I see it as a result - especially when it's used against transwomen.

[Torrocca]

I mean, not really. Every instance I've seen of the term "toxic masculinity" being used has been in reference to genuinely toxic behavior that-



JFC, are you serious?

This is one of the greatest loads of horseshit I've read in a long while.

Yes, this is how I see it used when it is used in its normal context, and that's how I see it as a result - especially when it's used against transwomen.

How the fuck, exactly, is toxic masculinity - as a term - used for transphobia against transwomen?

[Galloism]

Yes, this is how I see it used when it is used in its normal context, and that's how I see it as a result - especially when it's used against transwomen.

How the fuck, exactly, is toxic masculinity - as a term - used for transphobia against transwomen?

By daring to invade (women born) women's spaces, they are accused of having toxic male entitlement - a form of toxic masculinity.

Basically, they are hated because they are seen as men.

[Torrocca]

How the fuck, exactly, is toxic masculinity - as a term - used for transphobia against transwomen?

By daring to invade (women born) women's spaces, they are accused of having toxic male entitlement - a form of toxic masculinity.

Basically, they are hated because they are seen as men.

You got some proof of that, that that's a claim people make about transwomen?

[Mettaton-EX]

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

[Galloism]

By daring to invade (women born) women's spaces, they are accused of having toxic male entitlement - a form of toxic masculinity.

Basically, they are hated because they are seen as men.

You got some proof of that, that that's a claim people make about transwomen?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... ibit_male/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... women_and/
https://transamorousnetwork.com/relatio ... me-do-yes/
http://genderapostates.com/male-violenc ... it-it-too/

For a few examples.

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

Oh there's transmisogyny too. Typically transmen experience it.

The people who attack the trans community typically attack them because they perceive them to be the opposite gender than they are.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

It’s not a stretch nor is he being transphobic. It is a belief held particularly by people who do not consider trans women women but men.

[Mettaton-EX]

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

Oh there's transmisogyny too. Typically transmen experience it.

The people who attack the trans community typically attack them because they perceive them to be the opposite gender than they are.

such as you, clearly.

[Galloism]

Oh there's transmisogyny too. Typically transmen experience it.

The people who attack the trans community typically attack them because they perceive them to be the opposite gender than they are.

such as you, clearly.

What?

[Des-Bal]

What?

You're being accused of transphobia because it's easier than rebutting anything you've said.

[Galloism]

What?

You're being accused of transphobia because it's easier than rebutting anything you've said.

I do believe I am offended.

[Mettaton-EX]

such as you, clearly.

What?

you're either willfully failing to look up basic concepts like transmisogyny or calling trans women "transmen"

[Cekoviu]

This is very interesting to me that trans women are over 4 times as likely to be on this website than cis women according to this poll. Then again this is sampling and may not be a very accurate depiction.

I mean, we are in the trans thread. I doubt the site-wide disparity is that large, although I imagine there is a low percentage of women (whether cis or trans).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What?

you're either willfully failing to look up basic concepts like transmisogyny or calling trans women "transmen"

He’s not calling trans women men. He’s pointing out that the concept of toxic masculinity is used by people who do not consider trans women women to oppress them. That they consider trans women nothing but men invading women’s spaces.

[Mettaton-EX]

you're either willfully failing to look up basic concepts like transmisogyny or calling trans women "transmen"

He’s not calling trans women men. He’s pointing out that the concept of toxic masculinity is used by people who do not consider trans women women to oppress them. That they consider trans women nothing but men invading women’s spaces.

i'm well aware that he knows less than nothing about toxic masculinity, feminism, or trans issues, thank you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

He’s not calling trans women men. He’s pointing out that the concept of toxic masculinity is used by people who do not consider trans women women to oppress them. That they consider trans women nothing but men invading women’s spaces.

i'm well aware that he knows less than nothing about toxic masculinity, feminism, or trans issues, thank you.

I’m not sure you’re understanding his post. At all.

[Torrocca]

you're either willfully failing to look up basic concepts like transmisogyny or calling trans women "transmen"

He’s not calling trans women men. He’s pointing out that the concept of toxic masculinity is used by people who do not consider trans women women to oppress them. That they consider trans women nothing but men invading women’s spaces.

He did, however, just state that transmen are the typical recipients of transmisogyny, which is blatantly wrong since that's specifically hate against transwomen.

[Mettaton-EX]

i'm well aware that he knows less than nothing about toxic masculinity, feminism, or trans issues, thank you.

I’m not sure you’re understanding his post. At all.

do you need to look up transmisogyny as well?

[Cekoviu]

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

TERF transmisogyny is often underlyingly a result of misandry because TERFs view trans women as men. It's not that it's actual misandry, since it's not directed towards men, but that's the way it's constructed in their minds.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

galloism, your implication that transmisogyny is actually ~*~misandry~*~ and not misogyny is itself extremely transphobic. go away.

TERF transmisogyny is often underlyingly a result of misandry because TERFs view trans women as men. It's not that it's actual misandry, since it's not directed towards men, but that's the way it's constructed in their minds.

There we go. Thank you.

[Galloism]

He’s not calling trans women men. He’s pointing out that the concept of toxic masculinity is used by people who do not consider trans women women to oppress them. That they consider trans women nothing but men invading women’s spaces.

He did, however, just state that transmen are the typical recipients of transmisogyny, which is blatantly wrong since that's specifically hate against transwomen.

Perhaps I am using the term wrongly. I'll admit it if I said it wrong and apologize.

I was talking MtF transperson to be a transwoman, IE, they transitioned to being a woman and therefore are a woman.
I was talking TtM transperson to be a transman, IE, they transitioned to being a man and therefore are a man.

Is this incorrect terminology?

[Cekoviu]

He did, however, just state that transmen are the typical recipients of transmisogyny, which is blatantly wrong since that's specifically hate against transwomen.

Perhaps I am using the term wrongly. I'll admit it if I said it wrong and apologize.

I was talking MtF transperson to be a transwoman, IE, they transitioned to being a woman and therefore are a woman.
I was talking TtM transperson to be a transman, IE, they transitioned to being a man and therefore are a man.

Is this incorrect terminology?

That's mostly correct, although I think you accidentally typed TtM rather than FtM. However, you need to have a space between trans and man/woman.
Trans men don't suffer from transmisogyny, because that's bigotry against trans women.

[Torrocca]

He did, however, just state that transmen are the typical recipients of transmisogyny, which is blatantly wrong since that's specifically hate against transwomen.

Perhaps I am using the term wrongly. I'll admit it if I said it wrong and apologize.

I was talking MtF transperson to be a transwoman, IE, they transitioned to being a woman and therefore are a woman.
I was talking TtM transperson to be a transman, IE, they transitioned to being a man and therefore are a man.

Is this incorrect terminology?

Nope, that's correct. You claimed, however, transmisogyny is typically experienced by transmen, even though it's hate against transwomen.

[Mettaton-EX]

He did, however, just state that transmen are the typical recipients of transmisogyny, which is blatantly wrong since that's specifically hate against transwomen.

Perhaps I am using the term wrongly. I'll admit it if I said it wrong and apologize.

I was talking MtF transperson to be a transwoman, IE, they transitioned to being a woman and therefore are a woman.
I was talking TtM transperson to be a transman, IE, they transitioned to being a man and therefore are a man.

Is this incorrect terminology?

look up transmisogyny and then come back and apologize. thanks.

[Galloism]

Perhaps I am using the term wrongly. I'll admit it if I said it wrong and apologize.

I was talking MtF transperson to be a transwoman, IE, they transitioned to being a woman and therefore are a woman.
I was talking TtM transperson to be a transman, IE, they transitioned to being a man and therefore are a man.

Is this incorrect terminology?

Nope, that's correct. You claimed, however, transmisogyny is typically experienced by transmen, even though it's hate against transwomen.

Because the person doing the hating sees them as a woman, and hates them on that basis, essentially.