Are School Dress Codes too Restrictive?

[Novus America]

I was a complete dumbass when I was young.

I’m sorry to hear that, I will be sure to guide you once you institute the Proletarian Big Brothers and Big Sisters program.

Well I am not the only one who was. Many were worse than me. We all are certainly are less capable of making good decisions at a young age as our brains have not fully developed.

I am sure you to can think back to when you were younger and shudder in horror at some of the things that seemed like a good idea in your younger mind but in retrospect were not.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

This thread is about dress codes in schools, all of which apply equally to girls and boys. Don't try and make this about men's purview over the female body, it has nothing to do with that. I'm sure in many schools the dress codes are set by women - does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to set a dress code for boys?

Let’s not pretend that dress codes treat boys and girls equally, ‘cause they don’t.

They can't. You are comparing different sexes that respond differently to different body parts. You're comparing unlike terms anyway.

There's no such thing as "gender-neutral."

[Socialist Workers Combine]

I am sure you to can think back to when you were younger and shudder in horror at some of the things that seemed like a good idea in your younger mind but in retrospect were not.

I played too much StarCraft and didn’t socialize apart from band and church but I was extremely literate.

[Novus America]

I am sure you to can think back to when you were younger and shudder in horror at some of the things that seemed like a good idea in your younger mind but in retrospect were not.

I played too much StarCraft and didn’t socialize apart from band and church but I was extremely literate.

You must construct additional pylons.

And I am sure if given the ability to do so you would have stayed home playing StarCraft instead of going to classes sometimes. That game was addictive.

Oh I went to good schools and had a reading ability well above average for my age and all.
But being literate and making good decisions are not the same thing.

[Costa Fierro]

No, it's not "good for them". It's "dress appropriately and get respected".

It absolutely is good for them to express themselves as they see fit and to reject the complaints of impotent would-be patriarchs.

Personal expression, like any form of expression, has its limits. In addition most places outside of school would have some sort of unwritten dress code, or in Quebec, a slightly legislated dress code (they have laws on the displays of religious symbols akin to France). A person walking down the street completely naked is illegal for the most part.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

And I am sure if given the ability to do so you would have stayed home playing StarCraft instead of going to classes sometimes.

And I would have studied any required subjects within my ability (not math, I did need help with that) more intensely. I had a good English teacher, and would see her, though really some classes were below my level. I could of course have used a social outlet.

[Novus America]

And I am sure if given the ability to do so you would have stayed home playing StarCraft instead of going to classes sometimes.

And I would have studied any required subjects within my ability (not math, I did need help with that) more intensely. I had a good English teacher, and would see her, though really some classes were below my level. I could of course have used a social outlet.

The point remains children do not have fully developed brains to make fully developed decisions, hence why they are given less legal autonomy.

[Socialist Workers Combine]

The point remains children do not have fully developed brains to make fully developed decisions, hence why they are given less legal autonomy.

Fascinating. One might consider actually making better descisions for them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I like the Polo and Khaki thing with belts.

[Bienenhalde]

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This thread is about dress codes in schools, all of which apply equally to girls and boys. Don't try and make this about men's purview over the female body, it has nothing to do with that. I'm sure in many schools the dress codes are set by women - does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to set a dress code for boys?

Let’s not pretend that dress codes treat boys and girls equally, ‘cause they don’t.

They SHOULD.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Let’s not pretend that dress codes treat boys and girls equally, ‘cause they don’t.

They SHOULD.

Okay, so who gets to say what is an "equivalent" amount of arousal in males and females? How would you even measure either to compare them?

You're comparing unlike terms. Comparing male and female distraction due to revealing attire is undefinable for the same reason.

[Meikaii]

Dress codes beyond the minimum to preserve reasonable public modesty (nothing should be 'hanging out') should be eliminated and men and women given back the responsibility for their choice in clothing and actions as a result thereof. It is not the school's place to punish young women if some young men would rather ogle their classmates breasts; it is however their place to grade his work appropriately and to punish him for his misconduct in the public sphere. The same applies in the opposite fashion (why yes, I have received unsolicited attention towards my genitals that was heavily unwelcome. No, it was not same-sex, women can be creepers too).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

They SHOULD.

Okay, so who gets to say what is an "equivalent" amount of arousal in males and females? How would you even measure either to compare them?

You're comparing unlike terms. Comparing male and female distraction due to revealing attire is undefinable for the same reason.

Who cares about that though...

[Luziyca]

It all depends on the dress code in question.

My ideal dress code is basically as long as you're not wearing anything that is offensive (e.g. swear words, hate speech, graphically obscene acts), and you are wearing some clothes (i.e. don't be naked), then it's fine.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It all depends on the dress code in question.

My ideal dress code is basically as long as you're not wearing anything that is offensive (e.g. swear words, hate speech, graphically obscene acts), and you are wearing some clothes (i.e. don't be naked), then it's fine.

I would argue that offense is almost always the fault of the person being offended. You choose to get offended, if you're impossible to offend then nobody is going to manage it.

[Ifreann]

It absolutely is good for them to express themselves as they see fit and to reject the complaints of impotent would-be patriarchs.

Personal expression, like any form of expression, has its limits. In addition most places outside of school would have some sort of unwritten dress code, or in Quebec, a slightly legislated dress code (they have laws on the displays of religious symbols akin to France). A person walking down the street completely naked is illegal for the most part.

Okay? I don't see why those laws mean that it's good, actually, for women to have to dress the way you think is proper or face the terrible wrath of your disrespect.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Personal expression, like any form of expression, has its limits. In addition most places outside of school would have some sort of unwritten dress code, or in Quebec, a slightly legislated dress code (they have laws on the displays of religious symbols akin to France). A person walking down the street completely naked is illegal for the most part.

Okay? I don't see why those laws mean that it's good, actually, for women to have to dress the way you think is proper or face the terrible wrath of your disrespect.

I also don't see why anything about the laws he stated are...good things?

[Kowani]

It all depends on the dress code in question.

My ideal dress code is basically as long as you're not wearing anything that is offensive (e.g. swear words, hate speech, graphically obscene acts), and you are wearing some clothes (i.e. don't be naked), then it's fine.

I would argue that offense is almost always the fault of the person being offended. You choose to get offended, if you're impossible to offend then nobody is going to manage it.

Eh, that’s not always true. Human psychology isn’t all free choice, after all.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would argue that offense is almost always the fault of the person being offended. You choose to get offended, if you're impossible to offend then nobody is going to manage it.

Eh, that’s not always true. Human psychology isn’t all free choice, after all.

It's quite possible to train your mind to be impossible to offend.

[New Bremerton]

My parents had to pay through their noses just so I could wear a pointless, arbitrary, individuality-erasing uniform at an international school with a mostly British staff and British curriculum and ethos, and still get pulled aside and told off because my shirt wasn't tucked in properly despite my best attempts to adhere to the authoritarian uniform policy to the letter, only to then completely ditch all of that nonsense while studying in college for several years. My current workplace doesn't require a uniform and the dress code is laid back and semi-formal.

So the schoolteachers and principal who subjected me to all that pointless school uniform bullshit that ultimately had no bearing on my adult life can take their arbitrary dress code and shove it up theirs. Any school with a mandatory uniform policy has an overly restrictive dress code by definition. And I'm a dude and not a fan of restrictive dress codes in general. Not a feminist.

[Slotted Floppies]

Can we just disband public schools already?
Choose a private school that caters to your dress code preferences.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

My parents had to pay through their noses just so I could wear a pointless, arbitrary, individuality-erasing uniform at an international school with a mostly British staff and British curriculum and ethos, and still get pulled aside and told off because my shirt wasn't tucked in properly despite my best attempts to adhere to the authoritarian uniform policy to the letter, only to then completely ditch all of that nonsense while studying in college for several years. My current workplace doesn't require a uniform and the dress code is laid back and semi-formal.

So the schoolteachers and principal who subjected me to all that pointless school uniform bullshit that ultimately had no bearing on my adult life can take their arbitrary dress code and shove it up theirs. Any school with a mandatory uniform policy has an overly restrictive dress code by definition. And I'm a dude and not a fan of restrictive dress codes in general. Not a feminist.

It is a little dense, when you think about it. Following being told that the uniform policy is 'preparing us to look smart for the world of work' and other such rubbish, we then go into 4 years in college where common sense prevails and wear jeans and t-shirts in lectures and smart clothing when it actually matters.

[Immoren]

I am against dress codes that go beyond existing modesty laws of country.
But that's because that's how dresscode worked here and might be for more stricter dress code if I lived under such system.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I will say that school uniforms need to be at reasonable cost - specific items shouldn't be required from a price-gouging school shop, e.g. if there's a school logo in the jacket/blazer whatever you should be able to buy that cheap and sew it into a generic one.

Also don't be a twat about weather conditions. One year at my school it was unseasonably hot and the headmaster insisted that everyone wear blazers on the speech day/award ceremony thing. Several people had to be taken to the doctor's room after being made to sit outside in the boiling hot for hours in stuffy jackets and without any refreshments.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I will say that school uniforms need to be at reasonable cost - specific items shouldn't be required from a price-gouging school shop, e.g. if there's a school logo in the jacket/blazer whatever you should be able to buy that cheap and sew it into a generic one.

Also don't be a twat about weather conditions. One year at my school it was unseasonably hot and the headmaster insisted that everyone wear blazers on the speech day/award ceremony thing. Several people had to be taken to the doctor's room after being made to sit outside in the boiling hot for hours in stuffy jackets and without any refreshments.

Yeah, that is idiotic, my school did the same.