New US Sanctions on Cuba - and Venezuela related discuss

[Miruma]

Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam

You seem overly communist yourself.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

As your OP Thread Host as I love to call myself and all my fellow OPs, today's Topic I want to bring up, is called Who was a Baby: Fidel was a Baby compared to Batista or Batista was a Baby Compared to Fidel, They were both dictators and all Dictators are Bad, discuss?

I say while both were dictators and all Dictators are bad Batista was a Baby compared to Fidel.

[US-SSR]

Obama Administration sanctions on Russia worked out well enough that Putin launched a full-court press to deny Secretary Clinton the Presidency. Granted it hasn't changed Russian behavior all that much, but given the results of their election interference, can you blame them?

If true, doesn't that mean that Obama is partially responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump?

To the extent that he deferred to Mitch McConnell on keeping the investigations into the Trump campaign on the down low, all the while the Clinton campaign couldn't cross the street against the light without it being front-page news, yes. There's plenty of blame to go around -- twice. And yet more blame attaches to those who refuse to do anything about the fact that our most formidable adversary basically dictated the results of the 2016 general election. Interfering in other nations' elections is what strong nations do; doing nothing about it is what weak nations suffer.

[Shofercia]

If true, doesn't that mean that Obama is partially responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump?

To the extent that he deferred to Mitch McConnell on keeping the investigations into the Trump campaign on the down low, all the while the Clinton campaign couldn't cross the street against the light without it being front-page news, yes. There's plenty of blame to go around -- twice. And yet more blame attaches to those who refuse to do anything about the fact that our most formidable adversary basically dictated the results of the 2016 general election. Interfering in other nations' elections is what strong nations do; doing nothing about it is what weak nations suffer.

Weren't you talking about sanctions earlier? What does that have to do with sanctions? You seem to desperately throw everything at the wall, and really want something to stick. It's kind of like what the Democrats are doing with President Trump - it was collusion, ok, well, not collusion - but conspiracy, ok not conspiracy but obstruction... Clinton actually took confidential emails to her private server, where they were hacked. Trump asked anyone to reveal dirt on his campaign opponent. Equating the duo is a tad ridiculous.

[US-SSR]

To the extent that he deferred to Mitch McConnell on keeping the investigations into the Trump campaign on the down low, all the while the Clinton campaign couldn't cross the street against the light without it being front-page news, yes. There's plenty of blame to go around -- twice. And yet more blame attaches to those who refuse to do anything about the fact that our most formidable adversary basically dictated the results of the 2016 general election. Interfering in other nations' elections is what strong nations do; doing nothing about it is what weak nations suffer.

Weren't you talking about sanctions earlier? What does that have to do with sanctions? You seem to desperately throw everything at the wall, and really want something to stick. It's kind of like what the Democrats are doing with President Trump - it was collusion, ok, well, not collusion - but conspiracy, ok not conspiracy but obstruction... Clinton actually took confidential emails to her private server, where they were hacked. Trump asked anyone to reveal dirt on his campaign opponent. Equating the duo is a tad ridiculous.

One, yes I was, then you asked about Obama being responsible for Trump, a statement to which I then responded.

Two, Trump did not ask "anyone" to reveal dirt on his opponent; he asked RUSSIA to do it.

[Shofercia]

Weren't you talking about sanctions earlier? What does that have to do with sanctions? You seem to desperately throw everything at the wall, and really want something to stick. It's kind of like what the Democrats are doing with President Trump - it was collusion, ok, well, not collusion - but conspiracy, ok not conspiracy but obstruction... Clinton actually took confidential emails to her private server, where they were hacked. Trump asked anyone to reveal dirt on his campaign opponent. Equating the duo is a tad ridiculous.

One, yes I was, then you asked about Obama being responsible for Trump, a statement to which I then responded.

Two, Trump did not ask "anyone" to reveal dirt on his opponent; he asked RUSSIA to do it.

Are you telling me that if France had dirt, he wouldn't have asked the French? Asking others for dirt on your political opponent is an old school American tradition. Wasn't a foreign national, Christopher Steele, digging up dirt on President Trump? Weren't the pee tapes supposedly produced in RUSSIA? Are we going to start capitalizing RUSSIA from now on?

[Rothbardian Paradise]

Are you telling me that if France had dirt, he wouldn't have asked the French? Asking others for dirt on your political opponent is an old school American tradition. Wasn't a foreign national, Christopher Steele, digging up dirt on President Trump? Weren't the pee tapes supposedly produced in RUSSIA? Are we going to start capitalizing RUSSIA from now on?

What an atrocious comparison. Christopher Steele didn't commit any crimes to acquire his information, whereas the Russians did. While getting dirt on your opponent from people like Steele is an American tradition, I'm pretty damn sure encouraging a foreign country to illegally hack your political opponents isn't. Once you point out the time when Democrats encouraged Steele to commit a crime, you'll have a point.

[Rothbardian Paradise]

It's kind of like what the Democrats are doing with President Trump - it was collusion, ok, well, not collusion - but conspiracy, ok not conspiracy but obstruction...

I think you've been watching too much Hannity. It's not that the Democrats accused Trump of collusion and then changed their accusation to conspiracy after their initial argument was proven wrong. As Giuliani said, "collusion" is technically not a crime in and of itself; the formal legal term for what people called collusion was "conspiracy". I think it's pretty damn obvious that when Democrats accused Trump of collusion, they meant to accuse him of criminal conspiracy. Otherwise, you would be arguing that Democrats first accused Trump of collusion, which is not a crime, and then they accused of conspiracy, which is criminal collusion. That obviously wasn't your point, which was that Democrats were shrinking away from the strength of their allegations.

As far as American political discourse is concerned, accusing Trump of conspiracy is effectively the same thing as accusing him of collusion. One term is just more technically correct than the other.



It's also incorrect to suggest that the Democrats only moved to obstruction to justice after the collusion allegation failed. Obstruction of justice was on the table, alongside collusion, from the very beginning.

Clinton actually took confidential emails to her private server, where they were hacked. Trump asked anyone to reveal dirt on his campaign opponent. Equating the duo is a tad ridiculous.

Yes, in the sense that equating careless behavior with the encouragement of illegal activity is a tad ridiculous.

Trump asked anyone to reveal dirt on his campaign opponent.

Wrooooooong. He asked Russia in particular.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

Now, maybe you live in an alternative reality, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't say:

"To anyone who's listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”"

[Mystic Warriors]

Brazil should annex Venezuela peaceful like.

[Bears Armed]

It's kind of like what the Democrats are doing with President Trump - it was collusion, ok, well, not collusion - but conspiracy, ok not conspiracy but obstruction...

I think you've been watching too much Hannity. It's not that the Democrats accused Trump of collusion and then changed their accusation to conspiracy after their initial argument was proven wrong. As Giuliani said, "collusion" is technically not a crime in and of itself; the formal legal term for what people called collusion was "conspiracy". I think it's pretty damn obvious that when Democrats accused Trump of collusion, they meant to accuse him of criminal conspiracy.

So they were incompetent?

[Novus America]

Brazil should annex Venezuela peaceful like.

I do not think you are being serious, but if we are going that route Colombia annexing Venezuela makes far more sense.

[Shanhwa]

Brazil should annex Venezuela peaceful like.

I do not think you are being serious, but if we are going that route Colombia makes far more sense.

Think about it like this; it’s a matter of Oil vs. Minerals and some oil.

Anyways, I’d go with Colombia over Venezuela for that sweet sweet U R A N I U M

[Novus America]

I do not think you are being serious, but if we are going that route Colombia makes far more sense.

Think about it like this; it’s a matter of Oil vs. Minerals and some oil.

Anyways, I’d go with Colombia over Venezuela for that sweet sweet U R A N I U M

I meant it makes more sense for Colombia to annex Venezuela.
Colombia is much culturally and historically connected to Venezuela than Brazil is.

[Shanhwa]

Think about it like this; it’s a matter of Oil vs. Minerals and some oil.

Anyways, I’d go with Colombia over Venezuela for that sweet sweet U R A N I U M

I meant it makes more sense for Colombia to annex Venezuela.
Colombia is much culturally and historically connected to Venezuela than Brazil is.

portuguese laughter in distance

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Because of the Cuban government regime's support of Venezuela, this thread is also about Venezuela as indicated by pro and con Poll options 3 and 4. Your OP Thread Host, as I love to call myself and all my fellow OPs.

Under the new Cuban constitution the President Miguel Diaz-Canel, in time is supposed to name a Prime Minister from the national assembly parliament, the only Castro in Parliament is Mariela Castro Espín, currently 56 years old, while she has always stated she does not want to be selected as President, the job is too big, and she will never allow her name to be placed for nomination as President of Cuba, I wonder if this is what the Castro regime is planning, naming Mariela Castro Espín as Prime Minister of Cuba, Raúl's daughter.

[Rothbardian Paradise]

I think you've been watching too much Hannity. It's not that the Democrats accused Trump of collusion and then changed their accusation to conspiracy after their initial argument was proven wrong. As Giuliani said, "collusion" is technically not a crime in and of itself; the formal legal term for what people called collusion was "conspiracy". I think it's pretty damn obvious that when Democrats accused Trump of collusion, they meant to accuse him of criminal conspiracy.

So they were incompetent?

In the sense that American political discourse as a whole is incompetent, yes. Let’s not forget that Trump himself made it an issue of collusion, not conspiracy, serving to muddy the waters as well.

[Russkiya Svyachena]

So they were incompetent?

In the sense that American political discourse as a whole is incompetent, yes. Let’s not forget that Trump himself made it an issue of collusion, not conspiracy, serving to muddy the waters as well.

There is ZERO evidence that Kremlin authorized hackers interfered with the US elections. I honestly find it surprising that your media buys into the conspiracy theory that a poor 2nd world European country hacked the world’s premier superpower with one of the best intelligence agencies in the world.

[HUElavia]

Breitbart link. Nah.

I must be the only Cuban on NS, lol, but I find that very hard to believe, lol.

I am back, my technical problems are ok for now, and I just updated the poll option choices to 5, each has an opposite option on the issues, please see the videos I think proves my post, they speak for themselves not Breibart, these videos can be seen from other sites both from the right and from the left, I just happened to find this video and source first.

I see a lot of good pro and con comments on this thread so far, I have many quotes to make. Vote and post and thank you all for your pro and con votes and posts.

I think I have made a great poll options poll, this is my best OP introduction Post.

You're probably the only direct Cuban on NS. Although, I am part Cuban myself, so Hola Asere! Placer a conocerte!

[Novus America]

In the sense that American political discourse as a whole is incompetent, yes. Let’s not forget that Trump himself made it an issue of collusion, not conspiracy, serving to muddy the waters as well.

There is ZERO evidence that Kremlin authorized hackers interfered with the US elections. I honestly find it surprising that your media buys into the conspiracy theory that a poor 2nd world European country hacked the world’s premier superpower with one of the best intelligence agencies in the world.

They did not “hack the US” per se. But they did hit the DNC (not a government agency) with simple phishing scam. Well technically whaling would be the most proper term.
The were lucky John Podesta was dumb enough to fall for it.

This was as simple a matter is sending him a email “can I has ur password?”.
The DNC (not a government agency) has super shitty email security.

So they did not hack a superpower. They phished political party.

But what does this have to do with Venezuela?

[Pope Joan]

I fail to see how sanctions against Cuba promote or defend any vital US interests.

All it does is pander to the demands from Cubans in Miami, many of whose families have ties to the notoriously corrupt and vicious Battista regime

[Rothbardian Paradise]

In the sense that American political discourse as a whole is incompetent, yes. Let’s not forget that Trump himself made it an issue of collusion, not conspiracy, serving to muddy the waters as well.

There is ZERO evidence that Kremlin authorized hackers interfered with the US elections. I honestly find it surprising that your media buys into the conspiracy theory that a poor 2nd world European country hacked the world’s premier superpower with one of the best intelligence agencies in the world.

Every single United States intelligence agency has a different opinion on that.

[US-SSR]

There is ZERO evidence that Kremlin authorized hackers interfered with the US elections. I honestly find it surprising that your media buys into the conspiracy theory that a poor 2nd world European country hacked the world’s premier superpower with one of the best intelligence agencies in the world.

Every single United States intelligence agency has a different opinion on that.

Not to mention Special Council Mueller who indicted a whole raft of 'em precisely for interfering in the 2016 US election. You don't get an indictment with no evidence.

[Rothbardian Paradise]

Every single United States intelligence agency has a different opinion on that.

Not to mention Special Council Mueller who indicted a whole raft of 'em precisely for interfering in the 2016 US election. You don't get an indictment with no evidence.

Same thing as Christopher Steele tho, am I right?

[US-SSR]

Not to mention Special Council Mueller who indicted a whole raft of 'em precisely for interfering in the 2016 US election. You don't get an indictment with no evidence.

Same thing as Christopher Steele tho, am I right?

afaik nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. It is what it is, raw human intelligence.

[Nova Cyberia]

Same thing as Christopher Steele tho, am I right?

afaik nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. It is what it is, raw human intelligence.

Raw human shit.

Nothing in it has been proven. Some "intelligence".