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01 - we support the activation of title 3 of the Helms Burton embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton allowing Cuban Americans, American citizens and Corporations to sue European, Canadian and other Foreign Businesses dealing with the Cuban government through American confiscated properties in Cuba, and Confiscated Cuban American Properties in Cuba.
14
8%
02 - we oppose the activation of title 3 of the Helms Burton Embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton.
30
16%
03 - we support American sanctions on Venezuelan and foreign corporations shipping oil to Cuba.
14
8%
04 - we oppose American sanctions on Venezuelan and foreign corporations shipping oil to Cuba.
26
14%
05 - we support the new restrictions of Cuban American family remittances and care packages to Cuba no matter how mild the new restrictions are, which are actually very mild.
7
4%
06 - we oppose the new restrictions of Cuban American family remittances and care packages to Cuba no matter how mild the new restrictions are.
24
13%
07 - we support the new restrictions on Cuban visitor visas and emigration visas to the USA no matter how mild the new restrictions are, which are actually very mild.
8
4%
08 - we oppose the new restrictions on Cuban visitor visas and emigration visas to the USA.
30
16%
09 - The Cuban government are the real hardline intransigents not the Cuban American Community, and they just created a new Cuban constitution declaring the Communist party as the only political party allowed guiding the nation and the revolution, which is irrevocable, all that language is in the new constitution, discuss the new Cuban constitution.
15
8%
10 - Cuba is already a democratic communist socialist democracy and state, it does not need to change anything, and they just created a new democratic Cuban constitution, discuss the new Cuban constitution, the Cuban American community are the real hardline intransigents.
17
9%
 
Total votes : 185

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Alaande
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Postby Alaande » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:15 am

Cuba is screwed

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:19 am

Alaande wrote:Cuba is screwed

Has been since the revolution... and wasn't exactly in a brilliant condition before that, whether as a US puppet or as a Spanish colony, either: It's one of the places that has great potential but has never been allowed to live up to this...
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:21 am

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Nope.
Mutually Assured Destruction did not exist at the time.
“The Soviets at the time has very limited nuclear forces and delivery systems compared to the US
By the time of the crisis in October 1962, the total amount of nuclear weapons in the stockpiles of each country numbered approximately 26,400 for the United States and 3,300 for the Soviet Union. At the peak of the crisis, the U.S. had some 3,500 nuclear weapons ready to be used on command with a combined yield of approximately 6,300 megatons. The Soviets had considerably less strategic firepower at their disposal (some 300-320 bombs and warheads), lacking submarine-based weapons in a position to threaten the U.S. mainland and having most of their intercontinental delivery systems based on bombers that would have difficulty penetrating North American air defense systems. The U.S. had approximately 4,375 nuclear weapons deployed in Europe, most of which were tactical weapons such as nuclear artillery, with around 450 of them for ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft; the Soviets had more than 550 similar weapons in Europe.[131][132]”

Moreover US forces were fully prepared for war but the Soviets
“the Russians were so thoroughly stood down, and we knew it. They didn't make any move. They did not increase their alert; they did not increase any flights, or their air defense posture. They didn't do a thing, they froze in place.”

It would be unilaterally, not mutually assured destruction.

Yeah keep telling yourself that.


It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.
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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:26 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Yeah keep telling yourself that.


It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.

I'm with Che on this.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:30 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.

I'm with Che on this.


Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:30 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:I'm with Che on this.

Che is dead.
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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:40 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:I'm with Che on this.


Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?

Well we lost by going the wait them out route.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:53 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?

Well we lost by going the wait them out route.


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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:55 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Well we lost by going the wait them out route.


Who is we?

Communists and the Extreme Left in General.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:00 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Who is we?

Communists and the Extreme Left in General.


Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.
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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:00 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Communists and the Extreme Left in General.


Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.

Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.

Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.


As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.
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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.


As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.

Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.

Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.


The nearest to suicide maybe.
But that is saying what exactly?
“X was when I came closest to committing suicide, I really should have pulled the trigger then”.

Not seeing the logic.

Again if you are going with what ifs pick 79 or something. Well the Soviets still die though.

When you have the losing hand you fold, not double down.
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Postby Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:16 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.


The nearest to suicide maybe.
But that is saying what exactly?
“X was when I came closest to committing suicide, I really should have pulled the trigger then”.

Not seeing the logic.

Again if you are going with what ifs pick 79 or something. Well the Soviets still die though.

When you have the losing hand you fold, not double down.

The joke here I am working in a gambling store and I really bad at gambling.
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Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:27 am

Vote in the voluntary Public Straw Poll, I added 3 new Poll option questions, I tried but did not know how to set it to a maximum of 6 Poll options, we are allowed to create Public Straw Polls on NS.

https://www.strawpoll.me/17845945/r

I am not sure if this is going to work so I might have to delete the Poll.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:38 am

Asherahan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Then there would be no Castro regime. Possibly no Soviet Union either.

Also no America.

NATO surrounded the Soviets with nukes and the Soviets didn't fucking panic and hit the Bigger Redder Button. The US could deal with it.

NATO Surrounds Soviet Union with nukes: No one gives a shit except the Soviet Union
Soviet Union places missiles in Cuba: Entire west throws a shit fit, panics, and screams louder than someone being eaten alive.
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 am

I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:54 am

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.
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Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
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Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."

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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:59 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

Thank you for your Con votes and Post - I respect all of my fellow Nation Staters democratic right to their views and their democratic right to Post them.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:06 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:10 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.
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Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."

-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."

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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:11 am

When the Cuban government regime calls me an anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary, hardline intransigent, gusano worm, escoria scum, Cuban American Miami Mafia element, La Gusanera de Miami, I wear it with Pride and so do most Cuban Americans, lol.

Viva Cuba and Miami Libre.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:15 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.


Ignoring the fact they are actually victims not of “imperialism” (not trading with a place is not imperialism) but of the corrupt ultra rich kleptocrats of the Castro regime.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:16 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.

What current victims are there? The piece of shit government that runs Cuba?

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