New US Sanctions on Cuba - and Venezuela related discuss

[Rothbardian Paradise]

afaik nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. It is what it is, raw human intelligence.

Raw human shit.

Nothing in it has been proven. Some "intelligence".

From what I recall, parts of it have been proven, none of it has been disproven, and the rest remains unconfirmed. However, I haven't read it in a while.

Same thing as Christopher Steele tho, am I right?

afaik nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. It is what it is, raw human intelligence.

I was trying to mock the idea that what the Russians did was in any way comparable to the Steele dossier, but I didn't communicate that clearly.

[Novus America]

Can we get back on topic though?

[US-SSR]

afaik nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven. It is what it is, raw human intelligence.

Raw human shit.

Nothing in it has been proven. Some "intelligence".

Quite a bit of it has been proven in actual fact.

[Novus America]

Raw human shit.

Nothing in it has been proven. Some "intelligence".

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier#Veracity_of_specific_allegations]Quite a bit of it has been proven[/url] in actual fact.

That is still way off topic.
We already have the MAGA thread.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Florida Senator Rick Scott after President Trump threatened Cuba with a complete and total embargo blockade with strict sanctions, if Cuba does not withdraw its troops and agents from Venezuela, has called for a US Naval Blockade of Cuba, to stop the flow of oil from Venezuela to Cuba.

No wonder I have always liked him.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/295 ... de-of-cuba

At least 2 or more corporations have been sanctioned by the US Department of State for shipping oil to Cuba:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AABbQ2j

The Cuban government claims it does not have troops and agents in Venezuela only doctors and nurses, and President Trump, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton are liers, and the Cuban revolution will never abandon the Venezuelan revolution.

So does Cuba have Cuban troops and agents in Venezuela? Is Cuba or the US Administration Liers?

Thank you all for all the Pro and Con Posts and Votes so far, 145 total votes and those who will.

The OP: Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba - Saturday May 12 2019 at 10:46 AM Miami Florida Time.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

"Sorry Cuba, but Republicans need that sweet, sweet, sweet Cuban emigrant vote to win the state, after Democrats decided to enable convicts and/or former convicts to vote." Also, Cuba Libre! The drink, not the movement.

"Also, Cuba Libre! The drink, not the movement."
Why not Cuba Libre than the drink? Why western style democracy for Venezuela and the world and not for Cuba? From the Hispanic nations, Canada, the EU and EU Nations, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, right wing Hungary and almost all the nations of the world? And from most of NS, but like I always say that is their democratic right to say it and to post it?

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

This post has been withdrawn.

[Bears Armed]

An old Russian joke, from the Soviet era _

Q: "What has two hundred feet, and eats cabbage?"
A: "The queue at a Moscow butcher's shop."

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

An old Russian joke, from the Soviet era _

Q: "What has two hundred feet, and eats cabbage?"
A: "The queue at a Moscow butcher's shop."

lol, and the Russians continue to support the Cuban regime, than again, so do the Hispanic nations, the EU nations and the world, the same democratic capitalist style nations who oppose Maduro in Venezuela, lol go figure? The Russians also support Maduro in Venezuela.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Solidarity with the Cuban people against the United States and the "Cubans" in self-imposed exile in the United States.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Solidarity with the Cuban people against the United States and the "Cubans" in self-imposed exile in the United States.

More like solidarity with the Cuban regime against the Cuban people and Cuban Americans, by the international community of capitalist nations.

According to Betsy Díaz Velázquez, Cuban Ministra of Interior Commerce, at least 19 products are being rationed, egss, chicken, rice, beans, sausages, soap and toilet paper, while the foreign tourist hotels and the privileged governing elite have all the food and products they need.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1134785

According to Betsy Díaz Velázquez, Cuban Ministra of Interior Commerce, most Cubans approve of the food and goods rationing and are even demanding more products be rationed, that is what she said on national TV.

Discuss.

Source Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba ... SKCN1SG2HA

A few excerpts:
Shop shelves on the Caribbean’s largest island have been increasingly empty of late with scarcity of basic products such as eggs, flour and chicken, and massive, hours-long queues for them whenever they come into stock.

President Miguel Diaz-Canel and Raúl Castro Ruz and other government Ministers, at first they blamed the lack of raw materials, lack of spare parts, equipment damages, low production, high imports, and lack of feed for the animals, now they blame the US economic embargo blockade and the implementation of the Helms Burton Title 3 law, where by Cuban Americans, American citizens and corporations can sue in US courts foreign businesses dealing with our using confiscated American properties in Cuba.

Never mind the fact the Cuban government trades with all most all the nations of the world, including limited trade with the USA, and receives at least $ 3 billion USDs per year in Cuban American family remittances plus care packages including toilet paper.

Raúl Castro Ruz, recently warned Cubans we must be ready to face difficult times ahead in the next few months, all for the good of the revolution.

The Comandante en General of the revolution, Guillermo García Frías, has proposed a solution to the lack of food products in Cuba, raise ostriches, crocodile and Jutia Rodents for Cubans, they provide more meat, have more proteins, taste better and are more nutritious.

Jutía Rodents.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1211426
Jutía Rodents, are vegetarians and can be tamed, but they are still wild animals. Their are many jokes in Miami and Cuba about the General's comments, like what are they going to give us next, 6 Ostrich eggs per month, per person or family.

While the General's grandson lives a life of luxury all over Europe, sorry the link is in Spanish but the Pics speak for themselves:
https://cubanosporelmundo.com/2019/04/1 ... cia-frias/

Senator Rick Scott of Florida has called for a US Naval Blockade of Cuba, to stop the flow of oil to Cuba, for Cuba's support of the Maduro regime, no wonder I have always liked him. A US naval blockade could lead to another Balsero Rafter Crisis which will be considered an act of war by Cuba to the USA, and will lead to a US Naval blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in, nothing goes out until the Cuban regime falls from within and without, discuss.

I know a Cuban American who recently talked to his son in Cuba, his son said, their is bread in my area, but I cant find eggs or chicken anywhere.

Today I met the Cuban American Lady who just got back from Cuba after visiting her son in Cuba and taking him family remittances and care packages, she confirms the shortages of food and other products on the island, while the foreign tourist hotel resorts have everything they need.

Cuban Americans buy and recharge their family cell phones in Cuba for them, another triumph of the revolution.

The OP Thread Host, as I love to call myself and all my fellow OPs:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Breaking US Cuba News:

From the OP Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba: This Post is posted 14 days since the last Post right on the edge of the don't post on a threat that has not been posted on in at least 2 weeks, 14 days, so within NS Rules, why do I say that, on NS lol what a question.

New US Sanctions development on Cuba, related to Venezuela as well for the thread record and discussion, source Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba ... SKCN1T520P

HAVANA (Reuters) - The Trump administration banned cruises to Cuba under new restrictions on U.S. travel to the Caribbean island imposed on Tuesday to pressure its Communist government to reform and stop supporting Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. pts:

The tightening of the decades-old U.S. embargo on Cuba will further wound its crippled economy, as well as hurt U.S. travel companies that had built up Cuban business during the brief 2014-2016 detente between the old Cold War foes.

The State Department said the United States will no longer permit visits to Cuba via passenger and recreational vessels, including cruise ships and yachts, as well as private and corporate aircraft.

The U.S. Commerce Department told Reuters the ban would be effective from Wednesday, giving cruise lines no grace period to change destinations and creating confusion among cruise passengers.
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As a native Cuban and Cuban American citizen, I support these sanctions on the Cuban government regime revolution for life. Most of the tourism money winds up in the hands of the Cuban military mafia regime through Gaesa Gaviota Corporations headed by Raúl's son in law, General Luis Alberto Rodríguez López-Callejas.

They support the Venezuelan regime Revolution of Nicolás Maduro, as Maduro once said when will the opposition learn the revolution is here to stay, just like the Cuban regime revolution.

https://www.cubaenmiami.com/entre-cabal ... cia-frias/
The grandson of the Comandante en General of the revolution, Guillermo García Frías, lives a life of luxury all over Europe, and his prized stock of horses, sorry the link is in Spanish but the Pics speak for themselves:
The Cuban government socialist elite live like rich capitalist socialists:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1134785

While Cubans in Cuba are going through food rationings explained on my previous post you can see and read above.

[US-SSR]

Just how making mostly US-based cruise lines reroute their itineraries is going to bring the Cuban government crashing down around its ears remains to be explained. There have been US sanctions of one sort or another on Cuba nearly since the Revolution. How's that been working for ya?

[Crockerland]

Communism will win

Against unarmed women and children being fired on with live ammunition to prevent them from receiving humanitarian aid.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Just how making mostly US-based cruise lines reroute their itineraries is going to bring the Cuban government crashing down around its ears remains to be explained. There have been US sanctions of one sort or another on Cuba nearly since the Revolution. How's that been working for ya?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba ... SKCN1T61KN

Well actually, “Due to changes in U.S. policy, the company will no longer be permitted to sail to Cuba effective immediately,” Carnival Corp said."

"A spokesman for Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd said the company had ceased all calls to Cuba and was modifying previously scheduled sailings. "

"Both Carnival and Royal Caribbean said they would stop at different non-Cuban ports and would offer compensation to travelers."

"On Tuesday, Royal Caribbean said its ships sailing Wednesday and Thursday would no longer stop in Cuba."

" Delta Air Lines Inc said it had stopped accepting bookings to Cuba under the so-called people-to-people license as of midnight on June 4. Customers who booked under the exemption before that time will be allowed to travel."

Post by the OP: These so called people to people trips, are actually people tourism to Cuban government workers disguised as so called cultural exchange.

"The new restrictions are aimed at pressuring Cuba’s Communist government to reform and stop supporting Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro."

Now I actually agree with you, these tourism sanctions and restrictions on the Cuban government regime, will not make them get the hell out of Venezuela or bring about the overthrow of the Cuban regime, surprised or shocked?

It will reduce the money of the Cuban regime through Gaesa-Gaviota Corporations.

What would you suggest should be US policy on Cuba and Venezuela? Anyone care to vote and comment? The OP.

[US-SSR]

Cuba: return to a policy of engagement in which human and political rights are still live issues but without vain attempts to starve out a regime that has survived the worst we could throw at it since the 1960s.

Venezuela: working with our allies, open talks aimed at new elections under international observation, providing assurances to all sides against reprisals. In the meantime do everything possible to relieve the material suffering of the Venezuelan people. Note this is in contrast to the current policy of using Venezuelan babies as hostages in a, again vain, attempt to bully the Maduro regime into leaving. Also that we'd have to put away any fantasies of quick, bloodless (to us) regime change.

There you go.

[Vykel]

Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam

If Cuba wants to trade they need to recoup the property of American's they seized during their revolution.

Or maybe America could act pragmatically just like it did with other countries.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Cuba: return to a policy of engagement in which human and political rights are still live issues but without vain attempts to starve out a regime that has survived the worst we could throw at it since the 1960s.

Venezuela: working with our allies, open talks aimed at new elections under international observation, providing assurances to all sides against reprisals. In the meantime do everything possible to relieve the material suffering of the Venezuelan people. Note this is in contrast to the current policy of using Venezuelan babies as hostages in a, again vain, attempt to bully the Maduro regime into leaving. Also that we'd have to put away any fantasies of quick, bloodless (to us) regime change.

There you go.

Sources: Cubadebate, sorry it is in Spanish, I am trying to find the English version from Cubadebate or other government source to post on this post. http://www.cubadebate.cu/especiales/201 ... RZsjXdFy75

English Source: https://oncubanews.com/en/cuba/cubans-l ... nvestment/

For obvious reasons, from my personal political perspective as a native Cuban and Cuban American citizen, my interpretation is, you mean the same current policy of Canada, the EU Nations, the Hispanic nations, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, and almost all nations of the world, trade, tourists, and diplomatic talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah, on human rights that have not changed the nature of the eternal revolutionary Cuban military dictatorship regime for obvious reasons, the same can be said of Venezuela under Nicolás Maduro, no wonder a one nation embargo doesn't work, lol, I am having a lol attack.

Including President Obama's attempt to improve US, Cuba, economic, political, and tourist relations with the Cuban regime despite the one nation embargo.

Now the Cuban regime is so desperate for foreign investments, it wants Cuban immigrants to other nations to invest in Cuba, if it were not for the US embargo, Cuban American exiles could invest in Cuba, but my family in Cuba cant invest in Cuba even if I send them the money through family remittances, lol I am having a lot attack.

After they have called us, anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary, gusano worms, escoria scums, Cuban American Miami Mafia elements, La Gusanera of Miami, including myself, but they still wont let my family in Cuba invest in Cuba, lol I am having a lol attack.

The so called voluntary labor on state farms until our immigration visas were approved by other nations, confiscation of all properties in the house or room for the revolution, not even our family living their could have access to, throwing eggs at Cuban immigrants by the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs repudiation brigades, while the police looked on and did nothing, no wonder their is an egg shortage in Cuba, the Cuban political prisoners, toured, executed and exiled, now they want us to invest in Cuba, but our families in Cuba cant invest in Cuba, even if I send them the money, lol.

The new democratic Cuban constitution only recognizes the Cuban communist party as the only political party, and they call us the real hardline intransigents, lol, poll options 9 and 10.

Maduro will never recognize free multi political party elections it might win or it might loose, lol, the only thing that needs to be negotiated is the end of Maduro and his supporters in power, this thread is also about Venezuela due to Cuba's support and protection of Maduro, poll options 3 and 4, but if I were Maduro I would do what he is doing right now, diplomatic, talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah, while enjoying his eternal millionaire term in power, and I think we would all say and do the same if we were them, the Cuban and Venezuelan undemocratic regimes.

Any pro and con votes, posts, views and comments are welcomed from any fellow nationstaters.

The OP, GMS LHC

[Novus America]

Cuba: return to a policy of engagement in which human and political rights are still live issues but without vain attempts to starve out a regime that has survived the worst we could throw at it since the 1960s.

Venezuela: working with our allies, open talks aimed at new elections under international observation, providing assurances to all sides against reprisals. In the meantime do everything possible to relieve the material suffering of the Venezuelan people. Note this is in contrast to the current policy of using Venezuelan babies as hostages in a, again vain, attempt to bully the Maduro regime into leaving. Also that we'd have to put away any fantasies of quick, bloodless (to us) regime change.

There you go.

So basically keep the Cuban and Maduro regimes in power forever. How would this help at all?
You would be given those regime’s everything the want for absolutely nothing in return.

This is just outright surrender at best.

[Nea Byzantia]

Cuba: return to a policy of engagement in which human and political rights are still live issues but without vain attempts to starve out a regime that has survived the worst we could throw at it since the 1960s.

Venezuela: working with our allies, open talks aimed at new elections under international observation, providing assurances to all sides against reprisals. In the meantime do everything possible to relieve the material suffering of the Venezuelan people. Note this is in contrast to the current policy of using Venezuelan babies as hostages in a, again vain, attempt to bully the Maduro regime into leaving. Also that we'd have to put away any fantasies of quick, bloodless (to us) regime change.

There you go.

So basically keep the Cuban and Maduro regimes in power forever. How would this help at all?
You would be given those regime’s everything the want for absolutely nothing in return.

This is just outright surrender at best.

Well, they're not exactly responding to sanctions either.

[Gormwood]

So basically keep the Cuban and Maduro regimes in power forever. How would this help at all?
You would be given those regime’s everything the want for absolutely nothing in return.

This is just outright surrender at best.

Well, they're not exactly responding to sanctions either.

"The Cuban Embargo toppled Castro, let's do it again!" Guess people won't be happy until Cuba and Venezuela are reduced to corporate playgrounds.

[Novus America]

So basically keep the Cuban and Maduro regimes in power forever. How would this help at all?
You would be given those regime’s everything the want for absolutely nothing in return.

This is just outright surrender at best.

Well, they're not exactly responding to sanctions either.

Well I object to our current system with Cuba. We should ban all Cuban protects in the US, BUT allow any non military, non security goods to be sold to Cuba.

This would give us a huge trade surplus with Cuba, and more leverage.
We could try the same with Venezuela as well.

[Nea Byzantia]

Well, they're not exactly responding to sanctions either.

Well I object to our current system with Cuba. We should ban all Cuban protects in the US, BUT allow any non military, non security goods to be sold to Cuba.

This would give us a huge trade surplus with Cuba, and more leverage.
We could try the same with Venezuela as well.

It would also reduce hostility between the countries, considerably, and actually help to open up dialogue.

[Novus America]

Well I object to our current system with Cuba. We should ban all Cuban protects in the US, BUT allow any non military, non security goods to be sold to Cuba.

This would give us a huge trade surplus with Cuba, and more leverage.
We could try the same with Venezuela as well.

It would also reduce hostility between the countries, considerably, and actually help to open up dialogue.

I believe so. So it is a changed approach but without giving them everything they want for nothing in return.

[La Habana Cuba]

Well, they're not exactly responding to sanctions either.

Well I object to our current system with Cuba. We should ban all Cuban protects in the US, BUT allow any non military, non security goods to be sold to Cuba.

This would give us a huge trade surplus with Cuba, and more leverage.
We could try the same with Venezuela as well.

lol, I cant believe this post is coming from you Novus America, as I think I have just proven, trade, tourists and diplomatic relations don't work with Cuba or Venezuela, the only thing they understand and respect is force, Cuba has to be forced out of Venezuela, not diplomatic talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah, like Maduro is doing.