New US Sanctions on Cuba - and Venezuela related discuss

[Alaande]

Cuba is screwed

[Bears Armed]

Cuba is screwed

Has been since the revolution... and wasn't exactly in a brilliant condition before that, whether as a US puppet or as a Spanish colony, either: It's one of the places that has great potential but has never been allowed to live up to this...

[Novus America]

Nope.
Mutually Assured Destruction did not exist at the time.
“The Soviets at the time has very limited nuclear forces and delivery systems compared to the US
By the time of the crisis in October 1962, the total amount of nuclear weapons in the stockpiles of each country numbered approximately 26,400 for the United States and 3,300 for the Soviet Union. At the peak of the crisis, the U.S. had some 3,500 nuclear weapons ready to be used on command with a combined yield of approximately 6,300 megatons. The Soviets had considerably less strategic firepower at their disposal (some 300-320 bombs and warheads), lacking submarine-based weapons in a position to threaten the U.S. mainland and having most of their intercontinental delivery systems based on bombers that would have difficulty penetrating North American air defense systems. The U.S. had approximately 4,375 nuclear weapons deployed in Europe, most of which were tactical weapons such as nuclear artillery, with around 450 of them for ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft; the Soviets had more than 550 similar weapons in Europe.[131][132]”

Moreover US forces were fully prepared for war but the Soviets
“the Russians were so thoroughly stood down, and we knew it. They didn't make any move. They did not increase their alert; they did not increase any flights, or their air defense posture. They didn't do a thing, they froze in place.”

It would be unilaterally, not mutually assured destruction.

Yeah keep telling yourself that.

It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.

[Asherahan]

Yeah keep telling yourself that.

It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.

I'm with Che on this.

[Novus America]

It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.

You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.

I'm with Che on this.

Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?

[Bears Armed]

I'm with Che on this.

Che is dead.

[Asherahan]

I'm with Che on this.

Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?

Well we lost by going the wait them out route.

[Novus America]

Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).

So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?

Well we lost by going the wait them out route.

Who is we?

[Asherahan]

Well we lost by going the wait them out route.

Who is we?

Communists and the Extreme Left in General.

[Novus America]

Who is we?

Communists and the Extreme Left in General.

Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.

[Asherahan]

Communists and the Extreme Left in General.

Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.

Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.

[Novus America]

Well of course you lost, because you could not win.

And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.

Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.

Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.

As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.

[Asherahan]

Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.

As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.

Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.

[Novus America]

As far as ifs go it remains October 62 was one of the worst times to try it.

Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.

The nearest to suicide maybe.
But that is saying what exactly?
“X was when I came closest to committing suicide, I really should have pulled the trigger then”.

Not seeing the logic.

Again if you are going with what ifs pick 79 or something. Well the Soviets still die though.

When you have the losing hand you fold, not double down.

[Asherahan]

Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.

The nearest to suicide maybe.
But that is saying what exactly?
“X was when I came closest to committing suicide, I really should have pulled the trigger then”.

Not seeing the logic.

Again if you are going with what ifs pick 79 or something. Well the Soviets still die though.

When you have the losing hand you fold, not double down.

The joke here I am working in a gambling store and I really bad at gambling.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Vote in the voluntary Public Straw Poll, I added 3 new Poll option questions, I tried but did not know how to set it to a maximum of 6 Poll options, we are allowed to create Public Straw Polls on NS.

https://www.strawpoll.me/17845945/r

I am not sure if this is going to work so I might have to delete the Poll.

Your OP Thread Host as I love to call myself and all my fellow OPs.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Then there would be no Castro regime. Possibly no Soviet Union either.

Also no America.

NATO surrounded the Soviets with nukes and the Soviets didn't fucking panic and hit the Bigger Redder Button. The US could deal with it.

NATO Surrounds Soviet Union with nukes: No one gives a shit except the Soviet Union
Soviet Union places missiles in Cuba: Entire west throws a shit fit, panics, and screams louder than someone being eaten alive.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

Thank you for your Con votes and Post - I respect all of my fellow Nation Staters democratic right to their views and their democratic right to Post them.

I will never take any fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our All Mighty Goddess Violet for any reasons, even when it is against me, it is on my Sig.

Send me a Friendly TG on any Issues any time 24-7 and I will answer you back when I have time.

Your OP Thread Host.
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.

Your OP Thread Host:

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

When the Cuban government regime calls me an anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary, hardline intransigent, gusano worm, escoria scum, Cuban American Miami Mafia element, La Gusanera de Miami, I wear it with Pride and so do most Cuban Americans, lol.

Viva Cuba and Miami Libre.

Your OP Thread Host.

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.

[Novus America]

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.

Ignoring the fact they are actually victims not of “imperialism” (not trading with a place is not imperialism) but of the corrupt ultra rich kleptocrats of the Castro regime.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.

Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.

What current victims are there? The piece of shit government that runs Cuba?