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New US Cuban Sanctions Related to Venezuela - Vote and Post your views - Discuss Poll options

01 - we support the activation of title 3 of the Helms Burton embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton allowing Cuban Americans, American citizens and Corporations to sue European, Canadian and other Foreign Businesses dealing with the Cuban government through American confiscated properties in Cuba, and Confiscated Cuban American Properties in Cuba.
14
8%
02 - we oppose the activation of title 3 of the Helms Burton Embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton.
30
16%
03 - we support American sanctions on Venezuelan and foreign corporations shipping oil to Cuba.
14
8%
04 - we oppose American sanctions on Venezuelan and foreign corporations shipping oil to Cuba.
26
14%
05 - we support the new restrictions of Cuban American family remittances and care packages to Cuba no matter how mild the new restrictions are, which are actually very mild.
7
4%
06 - we oppose the new restrictions of Cuban American family remittances and care packages to Cuba no matter how mild the new restrictions are.
24
13%
07 - we support the new restrictions on Cuban visitor visas and emigration visas to the USA no matter how mild the new restrictions are, which are actually very mild.
8
4%
08 - we oppose the new restrictions on Cuban visitor visas and emigration visas to the USA.
30
16%
09 - The Cuban government are the real hardline intransigents not the Cuban American Community, and they just created a new Cuban constitution declaring the Communist party as the only political party allowed guiding the nation and the revolution, which is irrevocable, all that language is in the new constitution, discuss the new Cuban constitution.
15
8%
10 - Cuba is already a democratic communist socialist democracy and state, it does not need to change anything, and they just created a new democratic Cuban constitution, discuss the new Cuban constitution, the Cuban American community are the real hardline intransigents.
17
9%
 
Total votes : 185

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New US Sanctions on Cuba - and Venezuela related discuss

Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:16 pm

I am having technical problems posting, I loose my OP introduction post before I get a chance to save it, and I have to start over and over again, thinking how I said what I posted it, which is not possible, lol.

Here we go again, lol, President Donald J Trump of the US has activated in full tittle 3 of the Helms Burton Libertad Act Embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton. Allowing Cuban Americans, Americans and US corporations to sue in US courts foreign businesses dealing with the Cuban government through confiscated American properties.

You can read and hear Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's four minutes or so statement at the same time by clicking on the US State Department's Video Link: https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks ... 291174.htm

This is in response to the Cuban government's support and help for Maduro to stay in power. This video in Spanish of the Venezuelan civil militia interviews Alfredo Morales who states, we have expert shooters and we have received training from the Cubans, Chinese and Nicaraguans, and a Lady who says I will do anything to defend the Revolution so the Revolution will be irreversible, just like Cuba's irreversible revolution: http://www.diariodecuba.com/internacion ... 45789.html be irreversible.

The US has already sanctioned at least 2 foreign corporations for shipping Venezuelan oil to Cuba, but Nicolás Maduro has bowed to send Cuba oil despite US sanctions: " The US Treasury Department has imposed sanctions on 34 vessels owned by Petroleos of Venezuela PDVSA:
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Arr ... -0010.html

The US has sanctioned at least 2 foreign corporations for shipping Venezuelan oil to Cuba. "The Trump administration on Friday levied sanctions against two foreign-owned companies and one tanker involved in the regular shipment of Venezuelan oil to Cuba, the latest in escalating measures to bring pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... ea35a9f4e7

President Trump has cancelled a deal between The Cuban Federation of Baseball with the American Federation of Baseball to allow Cuban Baseball players to play ball in the USA under contract from the Cuban Federation of Baseball, saying the Federation is a government entity from which the Cuban government will profit from, the Federation claims to be a legally registered independent non governmental sports organization not interested in Politics, lol.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Pun ... -0032.html
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:42 pm

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:43 pm

Cuba isn’t entirely democratic but the embargo doesn’t help.

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Postby Azlaake » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm

Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:46 pm

So the US does not want oil from Ven. to get to Cuba. Compared to other nations, oil amounts sent to Cuba is small. Ven. sells plenty more to the Chinese and Russians but nothing is done to the ships heading to China or Russia with that oil.

Read this on oil shipments from Ven. - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN1RE24K

Kind of related. Puerto Rico which is a US territory wants to buy cheap US Gas for electric production. Problem is the US does not have US built LNG ships which can transport Gas. Yes, there are plenty of foreign LNG ships available but because of US maritime laws applicable to PR., PR. is prohibited from using foreign flagged, foreign built or foreign manned shipped to buy US Gas. But its ok for PR. to buy more expensive Gas from Trinidad. The shipments arrive on foreign ships. In the end, the people in PR. end up paying more.

While Puerto Rico would like to buy U.S. liquefied natural gas, no LNG carriers that qualify under the Jones Act exist to move LNG in bulk quantities from the U.S. mainland to Puerto Rico. The island gets its natural gas from Trinidad Tobago.
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:55 pm

I am having technical problems logging into the general forum and thread, to fix the poll options to 5 and participate. also a slight change in the Poll, I did not set the poll options first because I did not know how many poll options I would post. I am lucky I got to post this post as it is, I am still trying.

As my guy cousin who emigrated to Miami and the USA legally, the right way, told me when I told him and showed him all about Nationstates, be careful what you say about our family in Cuba, because if the Cuban government finds out who you are, they can make life hell for our family still in Cuba.

I think I have been cyber attacked by Cuban government agents, lol.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:President Donald J Trump of the US has activated in full tittle 3 of the Helms Burton Libertad Act Embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton. Allowing Cuban Americans, Americans and US corporations to sue in US courts foreign businesses dealing with the Cuban government through confiscated American properties.

The stuff was nationalised almost 60 years ago for fuck's sake...
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Postby Yusseria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:13 pm

Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.

CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:17 pm

Yusseria wrote:Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.

CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.

I used to disagree, but now I dont.
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Postby Yusseria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:19 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.

CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.

I used to disagree, but now I dont.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:19 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:President Donald J Trump of the US has activated in full tittle 3 of the Helms Burton Libertad Act Embargo law signed by President Bill Clinton. Allowing Cuban Americans, Americans and US corporations to sue in US courts foreign businesses dealing with the Cuban government through confiscated American properties.

The stuff was nationalised almost 60 years ago for fuck's sake...

So? It wasn't rectified. Communists shouldn't just be forgiven for their transgressions.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:23 pm

Yusseria wrote:Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.

CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.

Nothing like a mass roundup and subsequent torture/murder of Chavistas to mark "liberation".
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:28 pm

1. Make Cuba a democracy
2. Legalize gambling
3. Grant a Major League Baseball team to Havana
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:40 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Cuba isn’t entirely democratic but the embargo doesn’t help.


lol, Cuba is not democratic at all, no one in Cuba can disagree with the Cuban government and the revolution on any issues, not even foreigners in Cuba or outside of Cuba, it is not allowed.

This link proves it too me, I hope it proves it to you and your supporters on NS.

I use the term western style democratic changes out of respect for the leftist supporters of the Castro Regime on NS who think and believe Cuba is already a democratic socialist state and does not need to make any democratic changes.

No Cuban or foreigner inside or outside of Cuba can disagree or so call insult the revolution, as Bolsonaro dared to do, it is not allowed. These links prove it too me, I hope it proves it too you? But I am not under any illusions that my links will change any Cuban government supporters, deniers and excusers, political views on Cuba, of which they have a democratic right to do so and a democratic right to post it.

At the past OAS summit of the Americas an organized group of Cuban government supporters in Lima City Peru, chanted, Cuba must be respected, Cuba must be respected, out with the with Gusano worms, out with the Gusano worms, out with the Gusanera, I am sure they are members of the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs, which engage in these organized acts of repudiation to any one who dares disagree with the government or the revolution on any issues.

These are the type of people and governments we are dealing with in Venezuela and Cuba.

Scroll down to the videos:
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... mit-event/

When they returned to Cuba they were greeted and thanked by Raúl at the airport.
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Recently at UN meeting on Human rights and political prisoners in Cuba, Cuban diplomats shouted and pounded on the desks so American, OAS officials and Cuban Americans could not be heard, a group of CDR members also protested.

According to the Cuban government and the revolution their are no Cuban political prisoners in Cuba, lol, only counter revolutionaries supported by the USA and the Cuban American Mafia of Miami.

The anti social, anti democratic, gusano worms escoria scums, La Gusanera like myself.

Not you, you did not have anything to do with this incident, just saying.
But I respect your democratic rights to your views on any issues including Cuba and your right to post them, unlike what was done to me before on my own thread on Cuba. Certain fellow nationstaters demanded that I change my anti Cuban government posts and remove my video links that's proved my point, and when I politely refused, they told me they fixed my posts for me and now it is correct, used the F word against me and Cuban Americans and accused me with the moderators for anything they could think of, lol that was a classic, lol.

I am back, but I am still having technical problems, I can quote myself but I cant edit the OP introduction Post and set the number of Poll options, and a slight change on the Poll options, as I need to do, I will keep trying before asking for the Moderators help.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Scroll down to the videos:
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... mit-event/

Breitbart link. Nah.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:01 pm

Azlaake wrote:Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam


If Cuba wants to trade they need to recoup the property of American's they seized during their revolution.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:04 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Azlaake wrote:Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam


If Cuba wants to trade they need to recoup the property of American's they seized during their revolution.


Foreigners shouldn't really consider holdings in third world countries as stuff they own. History shows it only takes a coup for you to lose it.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:11 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Scroll down to the videos:
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... mit-event/

Breitbart link. Nah.

I must be the only Cuban on NS, lol, but I find that very hard to believe, lol.

I am back, my technical problems are ok for now, and I just updated the poll option choices to 5, each has an opposite option on the issues, please see the videos I think proves my post, they speak for themselves not Breibart, these videos can be seen from other sites both from the right and from the left, I just happened to find this video and source first.

I see a lot of good pro and con comments on this thread so far, I have many quotes to make. Vote and post and thank you all for your pro and con votes and posts.

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lol. I will never take any fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons even if it is against me. I will never tell any fellow nation what to post what not to post or how to post it especially on their own threads or any threads how dare I. No I am not saint perfect only God is. Am RP addict with real world nations regional named nations real world leaders and statistics Love math accounting percentages % bookkeeping facts and figures RPs history geography and biographies. Cuba is my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons, President Obama's Policies on Cuba is the same policy of Canada, the EU Nations, Hispanic Nations and others of Appeasement that doesn't work for obvious reasons. lol.

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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:26 pm

The property belongs to the Cuban people.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:35 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:The property belongs to the Cuban people.

lol, check this video link of the Capitalist, Communist, Socialist Leaders of Cuba, https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1134785

General Luis Alberto Rodríguez López-Callejas, married to Raúl's eldest daughter, Deborah Castro Espin, is the head of the Cuban government military mafia's Gaesa, Gaviota Corporation, that owns, hotels, tourist car rental agencies and other businesses in Cuba, and is in charge of the Port of Mariel, the Castro family lives like rich, communist, socialists capitalists.

While the Cuban people are suffering shortages of eggs, chicken, rice, pork, cooking oil, bread, toilet paper, and other products, while the foreign tourist hotel resorts have everything, these shortages have even been reported on the Cuban government news media, lol.
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lol. I will never take any fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons even if it is against me. I will never tell any fellow nation what to post what not to post or how to post it especially on their own threads or any threads how dare I. No I am not saint perfect only God is. Am RP addict with real world nations regional named nations real world leaders and statistics Love math accounting percentages % bookkeeping facts and figures RPs history geography and biographies. Cuba is my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons, President Obama's Policies on Cuba is the same policy of Canada, the EU Nations, Hispanic Nations and others of Appeasement that doesn't work for obvious reasons. lol.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:40 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
If Cuba wants to trade they need to recoup the property of American's they seized during their revolution.


Foreigners shouldn't really consider holdings in third world countries as stuff they own. History shows it only takes a coup for you to lose it.


History used to entail gunboats being sent to see to the return of said property of Americans from third world countries.

Also said third world countries shouldn't be surprised when we opt not to trade with regimes that rob Americans.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:56 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Foreigners shouldn't really consider holdings in third world countries as stuff they own. History shows it only takes a coup for you to lose it.


History used to entail gunboats being sent to see to the return of said property of Americans from third world countries.

Also said third world countries shouldn't be surprised when we opt not to trade with regimes that rob Americans.


I like the way you think.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:46 pm

Azlaake wrote:Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam


The are not actually Communist in reality anymore, but capitalist.
But how about we sanction the hell out of China too? Yes! Please, do it now!
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:05 pm

Novus America wrote:
Azlaake wrote:Trade With Communist Cuba Is Bad Because We Need To Focus Our Trade On Communist China And Vietnam


The are not actually Communist in reality anymore, but capitalist.
But how about we sanction the hell out of China too? Yes! Please, do it now!

lol, they are not socialists and have never been socialists, they are Sociolists, Compañero, Comrades.
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lol. I will never take any fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons even if it is against me. I will never tell any fellow nation what to post what not to post or how to post it especially on their own threads or any threads how dare I. No I am not saint perfect only God is. Am RP addict with real world nations regional named nations real world leaders and statistics Love math accounting percentages % bookkeeping facts and figures RPs history geography and biographies. Cuba is my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons, President Obama's Policies on Cuba is the same policy of Canada, the EU Nations, Hispanic Nations and others of Appeasement that doesn't work for obvious reasons. lol.

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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:36 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The are not actually Communist in reality anymore, but capitalist.
But how about we sanction the hell out of China too? Yes! Please, do it now!

lol, they are not socialists and have never been socialists, they are Sociolists, Compañero, Comrades.


Well true the regime in Cuba is just a bunch of thieving kleptocrats, but so is pretty much any self proclaimed Communist regime really. Communism is a joke anyways.
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