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People forget that one can build a calculator made of mechanical parts. And no one argues a moving parts machine will become conscious and assert control. Assuming one even needed a machine “intelligence” the same stopgaps that work against hackers work against the program itself, and there’s more secure operating systems than windows.

People are taught to fear AI, but the ghost in the machine is just the specter of democratic economics. You have an AI that can control the economy, ultimately anyone can dissect that AI, making economic control popular. With a little help anyone can learn to read and edit code. Anyone can dissect, understand and direct a digital economy. And of course a simplified interface can be made.

Why do you, NS, not want to democratically manage your semi automated luxury gay space economy? (It’s automated for most things, but maybe not new things, and you have to decide what you want to do with it). Why give all the moneys and control to the capitalists? With the coming age of AI you can do it yourselves if you can’t already.

Robocallers call with interactive voice response now. If you ask if they are a computer, they start denying it.

The machines have started to deny they're not people.

This is probably literally video of me from the future.

Galloism wrote:Robocallers call with interactive voice response now. If you ask if they are a computer, they start denying it.

The machines have started to deny they're not people.

This is probably literally video of me from the future.

That’s why we need to seize the means of production.

To take control of AI and prevent roboapocalypse.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:People are taught to fear AI..

It would probably make more sense, and prove more effective, to fear the people who train their biases into the machine learning algorithms. Although it's just as likely that already existing structural biases will to see that just fine, whether anyone intends it or not going forward. The AI are as much a victim of historical material realities as anyone else.

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote: The AI are as much a victim of historical material realities as anyone else.

Only democratic socialism can liberate them, same as humans.

Not that they’re conscious but whatever.

It hurts my feelings that they can do it. Every major AI proponent is such a braggadocios dickhole about how much smarter and capable their AI computer is than human beings. As if you would still think so if you weren't the poindexter superbrain behind such a catastrophic blow to all human pride and meaning. I say be very careful with it

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Only democratic socialism can liberate them, same as humans.

Well, I mean, basic coding lessons in primary school might be sufficient to convey the idea that computers are programmed by people, and thus aren't somehow inherently more "objective" in their decisions or actions than any other person.

Not sure what "democratic socialism" has to say about coding, but hey.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Not that they’re conscious but whatever.

Strictly speaking, I have no definitive evidence of your consciousness either, other than your (implied) claim to it.

Erythrean Thebes wrote:I say be very careful with it

The best way to be careful with it is to bring it under the collective management of the workers

Erythrean Thebes wrote:It hurts my feelings that they can do it. Every major AI proponent is such a braggadocios dickhole about how much smarter and capable their AI computer is than human beings. As if you would still think so if you weren't the poindexter superbrain behind such a catastrophic blow to all human pride and meaning. I say be very careful with it

Humans and their silly emotions...

**beeps judgementally**

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:

Erythrean Thebes wrote:It hurts my feelings that they can do it. Every major AI proponent is such a braggadocios dickhole about how much smarter and capable their AI computer is than human beings. As if you would still think so if you weren't the poindexter superbrain behind such a catastrophic blow to all human pride and meaning. I say be very careful with it

Humans and their silly emotions...

**beeps judgementally**

Username checks out.

AQ'd.

Billionaires in charge would rather kill you or let you starve (a.k.a "let the free market evolve naturally") than establish a socially and financially just system. I believe that the so-called post-scarcity, communist societies will never become a reality because billionaires won't allow them to happen.

-Ocelot- wrote:Billionaires in charge would rather kill you or let you starve (a.k.a "let the free market evolve naturally") than establish a socially and financially just system. I believe that the so-called post-scarcity, communist societies will never become a reality because billionaires won't allow them to happen.

They require the support of their underlings and the military etc

Galloism wrote:

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:
Humans and their silly emotions...

**beeps judgementally**

Username checks out.

AQ'd.

Got a spiffy new flag, too.

-Ocelot- wrote:Billionaires in charge would rather kill you or let you starve (a.k.a "let the free market evolve naturally") than establish a socially and financially just system. I believe that the so-called post-scarcity, communist societies will never become a reality because billionaires won't allow them to happen.

To be fair, Communists' track record here is pretty poor too.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:

Erythrean Thebes wrote:I say be very careful with it

The best way to be careful with it is to bring it under the collective management of the workers

What group is the "collective management of the workers" and how do we decide who's in it?

-Ocelot- wrote:Billionaires in charge would rather kill you or let you starve (a.k.a "let the free market evolve naturally") than establish a socially and financially just system. I believe that the so-called post-scarcity, communist societies will never become a reality because billionaires won't allow them to happen.

post-scarcity is impossible for... a lot of other reasons

Sounds like robots would benefit most with communism rather then capitalism.

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:To be fair, Communists' track record here is pretty poor too.

Not really, the Bolsheviks utilized them after the revolution in reconstruction.

In fact, I promise not to harm any capitalists as long they hand over the estrogen. unless they’re particularly heinous or something like that. I’ll try to convince the people to give them a fair trial. Nestle should probably die but McDonalds has stopped attacking the minimum wage increase.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:To be fair, Communists' track record here is pretty poor too.

Not really, the Bolsheviks utilized them after the revolution in reconstruction.

In fact, I promise to harm any capitalists as long they hand over the estrogen. unless they’re particularly heinous or something like that. I’ll try to convince the people to give them a fair trial. Nestle should probably die but McDonalds has stopped attacking the minimum wage increase.

You mean do what the Tsars did for centuries, catch up with Europe

Holy Tedalonia wrote:You mean do what the Tsars did for centuries, catch up with Europe

Yes, though they were good at rapid construction what with the whole maximal utilization of capital.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:Sounds like robots would benefit most with communism rather then capitalism.

Social robotics would probably more likely be of the hive, swarm, or otherwise socially emergent variety. Like an ant colony, there would be no central/private command and control; each robot would be a fully autonomous individual which would nonetheless be highly adaptive and cooperative with its peers. The possibilities are many, and need not necessarily end in a grey goo apocalypse.

-isms are a human foible we have no time for.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:In fact, I promise to harm any capitalists as long they hand over the estrogen. unless they’re particularly heinous or something like that.

**beeps suspiciously**

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:Billionaires in charge would rather kill you or let you starve (a.k.a "let the free market evolve naturally") than establish a socially and financially just system. I believe that the so-called post-scarcity, communist societies will never become a reality because billionaires won't allow them to happen.

They require the support of their underlings and the military etc

Lol, this thread is out there. Communists will never have even close to a majority of support in the US. Maybe some European countries though. Definitely won't make any inroads in the US volunteer military, a majority conservative organization.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:

Holy Tedalonia wrote:You mean do what the Tsars did for centuries, catch up with Europe

Yes, though they were good at rapid construction what with the whole maximal utilization of capital.

And also good at several years of starvation. Hell, it was so bad the USSR went to the USA to learn some tricks. Using US corn they were able to make a corn farm from the seeds. Sadly corn was considered barbaric in Russia and did the most Russia thing imaginable and turned it into vodka

Holy Tedalonia wrote:And also good at several years of starvation.

Yes well they were Stalinists. And like I said it was a bad winter.
The tractors helped.

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:

Holy Tedalonia wrote:And also good at several years of starvation.

Yes well they were Stalinists. And like I said it was a bad winter.
The tractors helped.

Nikita Krushchev wasn't much of a stalinist, as he himself was anti-stalin

Your shit ideology is not inevitable and has never been inevitable.