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which method is better

work sweatshop for nothing
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use pimp hand on capitalists
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GlobalControl
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
GlobalControl wrote:Guess I'll work in a sweatshop.
At the end of the day I'd rather work for minimum wage so I can buy some beef ramen than get slapped by commie-lites.

Getting slapped by me isn’t required they simply requested it.


Allow me to change that
>slapped by anyone in general

At least in Capitalism, I can buy a handgun and defend myself with it if I want.
Then anyone who slaps me I can shoot in the foot and claim it was self-defense.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:32 pm

GlobalControl wrote: At least in Capitalism, I can buy a handgun and defend myself with it if I want.
Then anyone who slaps me I can shoot in the foot and claim it was self-defense.
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You are required to own weapons under the dictatorship of the proletariat. In order to defend the gains of the revolution.
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:35 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
GlobalControl wrote: At least in Capitalism, I can buy a handgun and defend myself with it if I want.
Then anyone who slaps me I can shoot in the foot and claim it was self-defense.
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You are required to own weapons under the dictatorship of the proletariat.
In order to defend the gains of the revolution.


Ah, The "My Dictatorship will not end up like the last one did" bit in disguise.
That's not really how it works, and I doubt that it ever will, since guns in the hands of the people means popular revolt against the state and its order is possible and achievable.
I'm gonna have to say that's most likely a No-Go chief. I'll stick with my delicious Top Ramen.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:37 pm

GlobalControl wrote:Ah, The "My Dictatorship will not end up like the last one did" bit in disguise.

None of them have been exactly the same.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:38 pm

I applaud Norway's economic model, however I do not think it would work in the US. It's not that the model is bad, but the US is just very big, diverse, and has a very consumerist culture.
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:39 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
GlobalControl wrote:Ah, The "My Dictatorship will not end up like the last one did" bit in disguise.

None of them have been exactly the same.

And none of them have really prospered much, if for long, either.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:43 pm

GlobalControl wrote: And none of them have really prospered much, if for long, either.

Autarky and degeneration tends to do that.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:44 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
GlobalControl wrote: And none of them have really prospered much, if for long, either.

Autarky and degeneration tends to do that.

But of course, yours will totally not do that and will be immune to such things.
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:45 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
GlobalControl wrote: And none of them have really prospered much, if for long, either.

Autarky and degeneration tends to do that.

Or maybe the system is just shit and doesn't recognize the realities of economics and demographics, much like unregulated capitalism doesn't recognize that corporations cannot necessarily be trusted to act in the best interests of others, as well as governments cannot and shouldn't be expected to protect rights or do something that does not benefit the politicians controlling it.
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Postby Technocratic Uganda » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:45 pm

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Technocratic Uganda wrote:Free anything (vote-buying compromising welfare state) is a slippery slope to hell on Earth that you will allow to happen by supporting basic free shit under capitalism.

Some countries already have some basic free shit.

And in every single one it's receding as the powers that be realise they are no longer in a position that forces them to compromise lmao.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:45 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:But of course, yours will totally not do that and will be immune to such things.

If you have a world revolution it probably can’t degenerate. Same way the world isn’t degenerating into feudalism.
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:49 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:But of course, yours will totally not do that and will be immune to such things.

If you have a world revolution it probably can’t degenerate. Same way the world isn’t degenerating into feudalism.

Yes it can. To assume it can't is ignorant of how humans operate.
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Postby Jakobly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:Pretty sure that if capitalists wanted to be slapped they'd hire someone to slap them and call it a radical new wellness meditation technique.


that is true. i would do that any day. :bow:

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:53 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:But of course, yours will totally not do that and will be immune to such things.

If you have a world revolution it probably can’t degenerate. Same way the world isn’t degenerating into feudalism.

I dont really thank that is comparable but, okay. There a bit more factors at play that make feudalism still an unpopular system. Then again, I think that a global revolution is about as plausible as a global reversion to feudalism.

Regardless, it's a bit naive to think that even if a global revolution did occur, that this would magically make corruption and dissent disappear, or other factors that would degenerstenyour perfect world of communism.
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Postby Technocratic Uganda » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:55 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Same way the world isn’t degenerating into feudalism.

THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK
get back into your amazon work cage bro jeff bezoz needs to keep up the infinite growth
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:01 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Regardless, it's a bit naive to think that even if a global revolution did occur, that this would magically make corruption and dissent disappear, or other factors that would degenerstenyour perfect world of communism.

The US and Europe aren’t that corrupt bureaucratically. The USSR took place in the context of Tsarist Russia.

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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:03 pm

No one wants to be slapped.

Plus Capitalism is better than socalism and communism!!!!

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:03 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Regardless, it's a bit naive to think that even if a global revolution did occur, that this would magically make corruption and dissent disappear, or other factors that would degenerstenyour perfect world of communism.

The US and Europe aren’t that corrupt bureaucratically. The USSR took place in the context of Tsarist Russia.

And when there is suddenly an unlimited government in place without any checks or balances? I cant see corruption becoming a thing with that type of system at all. Plus, you have other problems to worry about in the US. Such as communism is about as popular here as playing catch with a Hornets nest. Plus, there are a few places I'm the world that lie outside of Europe and the US.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:08 pm

Lost Memories wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:The Norwegian economy is an example of a mixed economy, a prosperous capitalist welfare state and social democracy country

Norway is an example of having lots of oil, lots of land, and little population to share the gains over.

Put the Norwegian system in any other national context, with no big rich natural reserves to exploit, and a population density higher than a snowy forest, and it would crash hard.

Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, some of the Baltics, etc...
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:09 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:And when there is suddenly an unlimited government in place without any checks or balances? I cant see corruption becoming a thing with that type of system at all.

Assuming it is “unlimited government”, you’re supposed to oversee it with modern law and administration in addition to worker’s councils, the latter being an addition to further decrease any such possibility. One should also train the proletariat in any such administrative operations, in order to dissolve any independent bureaucracy.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:09 pm

GlobalControl wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Getting slapped by me isn’t required they simply requested it.


Allow me to change that
>slapped by anyone in general

At least in Capitalism, I can buy a handgun and defend myself with it if I want.
Then anyone who slaps me I can shoot in the foot and claim it was self-defense.
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You can do that in mixed economies as well, hell, some place almost require you have a gun on you (Like rural Norway and Finland).
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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
GlobalControl wrote:
Allow me to change that
>slapped by anyone in general

At least in Capitalism, I can buy a handgun and defend myself with it if I want.
Then anyone who slaps me I can shoot in the foot and claim it was self-defense.

You can do that in mixed economies as well, hell, some place almost require you have a gun on you (Like rural Norway and Finland).

In the case of Finland and Norway, as well as Switzerland which if I recall does require it, it's typically because the size of their nations requires they do it to be able to properly resist attacks by foreign entities in some capacity, because the size of their proper military is rather small, much like their populations.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:16 pm

GlobalControl wrote:
New haven america wrote:You can do that in mixed economies as well, hell, some place almost require you have a gun on you (Like rural Norway and Finland).

In the case of Finland and Norway, as well as Switzerland which if I recall does require it, it's typically because the size of their nations requires they do it to be able to properly resist attacks by foreign entities in some capacity, because the size of their proper military is rather small, much like their populations.

Actually, it because the areas they live in tend to be isolated and full of dangerous animals.

Svalbard for example, is an area in Norway where everyone knows how to use rifles and shotguns because Polar Bears give 0 shits about the local populace.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:18 pm

GlobalControl wrote:In the case of Finland and Norway, as well as Switzerland which if I recall does require it, it's typically because the size of their nations requires they do it to be able to properly resist attacks by foreign entities in some capacity, because the size of their proper military is rather small, much like their populations.

The dictatorship of the proletariat should do so for the same reason.

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Postby GlobalControl » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
GlobalControl wrote:In the case of Finland and Norway, as well as Switzerland which if I recall does require it, it's typically because the size of their nations requires they do it to be able to properly resist attacks by foreign entities in some capacity, because the size of their proper military is rather small, much like their populations.

Actually, it because the areas they live in tend to be isolated and full of dangerous animals.

Svalbard for example, is an area in Norway where everyone knows how to use a rifle and shotgun because Polar Bears give 0 shits about the local populace.

Rip.

I concede my point then, though I do not believe it entirely invalidated.
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