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It's my utopia too!
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9%
It's quite good, though there are some things I'd change
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It's decent: some positives and some negatives
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I don't like it, but I can see its appeal
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Who in their right mind would want to live there?
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Postby Technocratic Uganda » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:58 pm

Wawakanatote wrote:Imagine a socialist society where there are no religious people or rightists! Yeah, that sounds like a utopia to me!

bro you unironically support Deng and Xi Jinping I seriously doubt you want a socialist society
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Postby Wawakanatote » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:06 pm

Technocratic Uganda wrote:
Wawakanatote wrote:Imagine a socialist society where there are no religious people or rightists! Yeah, that sounds like a utopia to me!

bro you unironically support Deng and Xi Jinping I seriously doubt you want a socialist society


Deng and Xi are socialists who use capitalism the same way Lenin and Stalin did with the NEP, and the same way Mao did early into his leadership.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:13 pm

Free beer, nobody tailgates me while I'm driving, hiking passes without tourists and obnoxious dudebros in patagonia hats, authentic pubs on every other corner, free of charge lap pools within walking distance of wherever I am.

That's a solid start.

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Postby Technocratic Uganda » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:14 pm

Wawakanatote wrote:
Technocratic Uganda wrote:bro you unironically support Deng and Xi Jinping I seriously doubt you want a socialist society


Deng and Xi are socialists who use capitalism the same way Lenin and Stalin did with the NEP, and the same way Mao did early into his leadership.

The NEP was shit too
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Postby Jakobly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:16 pm

1. A centrist government
2. who knows

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:17 pm

Jakobly wrote:1. A centrist government
2. who knows


Well those sure aren't hard to find.

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:20 pm

Mine would be a Stormy city with GORGEOUS Tornado Girls everywhere, and with full capitalism. There would be cussing, though it would all be like Chyrosran22. And sexualization, and some violence in the distance. Oh, and wrestling. Free guns for all, and freedom of speech. Think the WWF's Attitude Era, mixed with Capitalism and good companies.
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Postby Multiversal Venn-Copard » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:13 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:
A universe where this doesn’t exist or I get to blow it up every day.

Honestly, I'd like to blow up a society like that too. As a technophobe, that would basically be one of my fears realised.

Also, to me, utopia implies constant progress toward a better society for future generations, not stagnation at some hypothetical "perfect" point. The latter would become extremely boring fast without anything to discuss or overcome; a bit of realism (some may say adversity, but it doesn't have to be negative) adds character and variety to day-to-day life, hence why in my utopia, people still work 40-hour weeks (though not 60-100 hour weeks), among other examples. Utopia is more about "always improving" rather than "stuck at a set point".

Which is why computational capacity needs to keep improving and new minds need to keep getting brought onboard to share ideas and help figure things out. And who's to say that the worlds of your choice can't involve a bit of challenge? If you wish to boot up a sim where technology hasn't advanced past 20th century levels and you have to work a job and get sick and grow old and die, that'll be your prerogative. The entire point of my response to a prompt about a utopia is that nobody should have to. I do not think any world in which bad things happen despite people not wanting them to could possibly count as a utopia; the exact details of what does happen is up to those involved.

(Also, advocating the destruction of a world of people who want to be happy without harming others is really, really horrifying.)

But hey, what do I know about utopias, I'm some idiot utilitarian or something.
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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:16 pm

Endless carpets, no walls, and free electricity.

Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Humanity's dismantled the solar system and built a Matrioshka Brain around the Sun. Most of the population has voluntarily uploaded themselves into an endless, perfect series of virtual worlds, where scarcity and conflict are absent unless all involved consent. People can retreat to their own private sanctums if they wish, or communicate at trillions of times faster than real time with every human who's ever been uploaded. Animals have been uplifted to sentience and invited to join the great simulated realm, too, because why the hell not.

Meanwhile, the superintelligent AIs running the Brain are using its excess computational power to crack the entropy problem and ensure the survival, happiness, and prosperity of an infinite number of minds for the rest of eternity. They're sending probes out to other stars, and humans who aren't uploaded will augment themselves for radiation resistance and immortality, then tag along to see what new planets they can find. These other stars are being harvested for additional energy, used as power sources for additional brains... and the cycle continues, because one brain might not be enough to figure out real paradise and we need every single chance we can get.


o_o

You know, I'd bet brainy space probes get pretty dusty.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:28 pm

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Humanity's dismantled the solar system and built a Matrioshka Brain around the Sun. Most of the population has voluntarily uploaded themselves into an endless, perfect series of virtual worlds, where scarcity and conflict are absent unless all involved consent. People can retreat to their own private sanctums if they wish, or communicate at trillions of times faster than real time with every human who's ever been uploaded. Animals have been uplifted to sentience and invited to join the great simulated realm, too, because why the hell not.

Meanwhile, the superintelligent AIs running the Brain are using its excess computational power to crack the entropy problem and ensure the survival, happiness, and prosperity of an infinite number of minds for the rest of eternity. They're sending probes out to other stars, and humans who aren't uploaded will augment themselves for radiation resistance and immortality, then tag along to see what new planets they can find. These other stars are being harvested for additional energy, used as power sources for additional brains... and the cycle continues, because one brain might not be enough to figure out real paradise and we need every single chance we can get.


A universe where this doesn’t exist or I get to blow it up every day.

Same bro. I would go out of my way to kamehameha that machine into the sun
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:12 pm

OP's utopia is ok. But I don't like any kind of dictator. Power should come from the people, allways.

I'd rather have an idiot leader with checks and balances in place so that idiot can't fuck up too much with the ability to vote them out then a good benevolent dictator that I can't vote out.


Anyway, my utopia would be:

Earth united under one democratic world assembly, with individual nation states still existing and able to have a level of autonomy.

Fusion to replace fission, wind and solar as auxiliary power.

United human space empire terraforming other planets to live on.

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Postby Technocratic Uganda » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:45 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:
A universe where this doesn’t exist or I get to blow it up every day.

Same bro. I would go out of my way to kamehameha that machine into the sun

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:53 pm

No diseases, no poverty, no hunger, no death due to natural disasters, no lack of resources, no wars, no discrimination, no corruption, easy access to education for all, equality of opportunity, no unwanted pregnancy, instead of dying, people jut go to sleep when they no longer want to interact with the world, no pollution.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:05 am

Hatterleigh wrote:Being a cave man or nomad on a beautiful open plain. Chasing hunt through the shallows with my tribesmen while the sun rises, sitting by the fire when it sets, and looking at the cosmos when the moon rises

And at dawn, getting devoured by a sabertooth tiger.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:07 am

The 21st century version of Nazi Germany, the 4th Reich. Nazism with better technology equals a more fearsome Wehrmacht with potentially even more amazing super weapons. If the Allied powers have an even more difficult time fighting the Axis, that is the kind of war I want to be seeing.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:12 am

Hatterleigh wrote:Being a cave man or nomad on a beautiful open plain. Chasing hunt through the shallows with my tribesmen while the sun rises, sitting by the fire when it sets, and looking at the cosmos when the moon rises

This, but with toilet paper and wifi.
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Postby Ghost Land » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:24 pm

Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:
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Honestly, I'd like to blow up a society like that too. As a technophobe, that would basically be one of my fears realised.

Also, to me, utopia implies constant progress toward a better society for future generations, not stagnation at some hypothetical "perfect" point. The latter would become extremely boring fast without anything to discuss or overcome; a bit of realism (some may say adversity, but it doesn't have to be negative) adds character and variety to day-to-day life, hence why in my utopia, people still work 40-hour weeks (though not 60-100 hour weeks), among other examples. Utopia is more about "always improving" rather than "stuck at a set point".

Which is why computational capacity needs to keep improving and new minds need to keep getting brought onboard to share ideas and help figure things out. And who's to say that the worlds of your choice can't involve a bit of challenge? If you wish to boot up a sim where technology hasn't advanced past 20th century levels and you have to work a job and get sick and grow old and die, that'll be your prerogative. The entire point of my response to a prompt about a utopia is that nobody should have to. I do not think any world in which bad things happen despite people not wanting them to could possibly count as a utopia; the exact details of what does happen is up to those involved.

(Also, advocating the destruction of a world of people who want to be happy without harming others is really, really horrifying.)

But hey, what do I know about utopias, I'm some idiot utilitarian or something.

And yet that's exactly the thing. Spending my entire life in a series of simulations as opposed to interacting in the "real" world with other people with similar lives and goals as myself would be completely hedonistic and at the same time, not at all desirable. And not having to work for anything still sounds terrible, IMO. I get that we all hate our jobs, but I wouldn't want to just magically have everything handed to me by someone or something else on whom I'm completely dependent just like that.

And on the note of progress, yeah, right now the people of my utopia live to "only" the average age of 130. But who's to say that 50 years from now, the average life expectancy won't be 150? And 200 years from now, maybe 200? I'm just afraid of stagnation and nothing new developing, especially when other countries/societies have an easy opportunity to catch up and make utopia, well, not the most utopian place in existence.
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:OP's utopia is ok. But I don't like any kind of dictator. Power should come from the people, allways.

I'd rather have an idiot leader with checks and balances in place so that idiot can't fuck up too much with the ability to vote them out then a good benevolent dictator that I can't vote out.

...really? :roll:

This viewpoint seems a bit too brainwashed by American public schools for me to take entirely seriously. And besides, as I've explained already, to quote, "a constitution dating back over 1200 years prevents the Dictator from getting too powerful or corrupt" and "If the dictator has been found to be unconstitutionally corrupt, using his powers for his own selfish whims or amusement rather than bettering and maintaining the status of the people, a referendum can be authorized for his removal."

In general, I'm surprised to see how little positive feedback I've gotten on this. I guess I would have thought plentiful civil and economic freedoms, low-stress lifestyle, and genuinely kind people would have appealed to most, but apparently not as much as I'd expected.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:33 pm

Saiwania wrote:The 21st century version of Nazi Germany, the 4th Reich. Nazism with better technology equals a more fearsome Wehrmacht with potentially even more amazing super weapons. If the Allied powers have an even more difficult time fighting the Axis, that is the kind of war I want to be seeing.

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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:No diseases, no poverty, no hunger, no death due to natural disasters, no lack of resources, no wars, no discrimination, no corruption, easy access to education for all, equality of opportunity, no unwanted pregnancy, instead of dying, people jut go to sleep when they no longer want to interact with the world, no pollution.

Sounds a lot like mine. Would yours have space travel too?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Saiwania wrote:The 21st century version of Nazi Germany, the 4th Reich. Nazism with better technology equals a more fearsome Wehrmacht with potentially even more amazing super weapons. If the Allied powers have an even more difficult time fighting the Axis, that is the kind of war I want to be seeing.

Sounds like a dystopia.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:41 pm

I'm kinda torn between the sort of post-scarcity, post-capitalist, super technologically advanced, space-faring democratic future of Star Trek and... well... the Shire.

In all seriousness, it would probably be something like a very municipal community built on mutual aid and environmentally friendly automatization, with a lot of communal spaces shared by all, universal health care and education. A strong emphasis on maintaining a high quality of life through sustainable means. Also, altruistic technological innovation, lots of preserved natural spaces, a vibrant and pluralistic cultural life that rejects dogmatism and encourages empathy and openness, and maybe a more communitarian approach to the upbringing of children.
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