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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:04 pm

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Neanderthaland wrote:Did one of the firefighters die? I stand corrected. My condolences to them and theirs.

He’s in critical condition in the hospital

Ah. Well best of luck to him then.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:04 pm

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The Black Party wrote:There was only one casualty today, and that was the Pride of the French.

and that firefigher. God With Him.

Did one of the firefighters die? I stand corrected. My condolences to them and theirs.

He's alive last I checked, but in bad shape. He's the only confirmed injury, though.
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Why would the French demolish an architectural masterpiece like that?

I think it was during the Revolution IIRC

That makes more sense now, but still...

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:05 pm

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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:I'm sorry but WHAT
Why would the French demolish an architectural masterpiece like that?

I think it was during the Revolution IIRC

Yeah before Napoleon crowned himself there
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:07 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I think it was during the Revolution IIRC

That makes more sense now, but still...

My understanding is that it had fallen into quite bad disrepair. And the government was annoyed at the cost of upkeep and/or restoring it. They didn't put in a serious effort until that Victor Hugo book popularized it again.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:09 pm

I think there were some confusing reports about the Rose Windows exploding due to heat. Maybe that's what Farn was talking about earlier.

This source talks about what was saved and what was lost: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... royed.html

But it leaves the Rose window on an unknown. Of course we know it's ok. Or what can be seen it looks ok. There was concern about melting, probably of lead.
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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:26 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:He’s in critical condition in the hospital

Ah. Well best of luck to him then.


I wish him a speedy recovery.

It's disconcerting, to say the least, to see the different ways people react to this situation. On one hand, we got people like him, who quickly took action when the situation demanded it and risked their lives to preserve an historic landmark and a symbol of France; also we have the people of France and across the world who mourn the burning of the cathedral and offer support. On the other hand, we got those who immediately point fingers at others and place blame when not all the facts are known yet.

Truly a shame to see this sharp contrast in the way people are treating the situation, reminds me of how some acted after the Christchurch tragedy in New Zealand.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:32 pm

La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Ah. Well best of luck to him then.


I wish him a speedy recovery.

It's disconcerting, to say the least, to see the different ways people react to this situation. On one hand, we got people like him, who quickly took action when the situation demanded it and risked their lives to preserve an historic landmark and a symbol of France; also we have the people of France and across the world who mourn the burning of the cathedral and offer support. On the other hand, we got those who immediately point fingers at others and place blame when not all the facts are known yet.

Truly a shame to see this sharp contrast in the way people are treating the situation, reminds me of how some acted after the Christchurch tragedy in New Zealand.


You want to know what I'm finding sad? The reaction some people are having in social media. Criticizing those who are talking about this incident but don't talk about Syria or Native American art being lost. And as much as I empathize with Syrian refugees and Native American art that's been lost, I also empathize with Notre Dame burning. I've been there. I was raised Catholic, and even though I am not practicing it or identify as Catholic, ND's is a treasure to many people.

I wish, and I realize people have opinions and are entitled to them and can talk about them in their FB or Twitter or whatever, I wish that we didn't always resort to that when a tragedy happens. Then again, it's social media. Someone will always rain on someone else's parade.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:34 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
I wish him a speedy recovery.

It's disconcerting, to say the least, to see the different ways people react to this situation. On one hand, we got people like him, who quickly took action when the situation demanded it and risked their lives to preserve an historic landmark and a symbol of France; also we have the people of France and across the world who mourn the burning of the cathedral and offer support. On the other hand, we got those who immediately point fingers at others and place blame when not all the facts are known yet.

Truly a shame to see this sharp contrast in the way people are treating the situation, reminds me of how some acted after the Christchurch tragedy in New Zealand.


You want to know what I'm finding sad? The reaction some people are having in social media. Criticizing those who are talking about this incident but don't talk about Syria or Native American art being lost. And as much as I empathize with Syrian refugees and Native American art that's been lost, I also empathize with Notre Dame burning. I've been there. I was raised Catholic, and even though I am not practicing it or identify as Catholic, ND's is a treasure to many people.

I wish, and I realize people have opinions and are entitled to them and can talk about them in their FB or Twitter or whatever, I wish that we didn't always resort to that when a tragedy happens. Then again, it's social media. Someone will always rain on someone else's parade.



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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
I wish him a speedy recovery.

It's disconcerting, to say the least, to see the different ways people react to this situation. On one hand, we got people like him, who quickly took action when the situation demanded it and risked their lives to preserve an historic landmark and a symbol of France; also we have the people of France and across the world who mourn the burning of the cathedral and offer support. On the other hand, we got those who immediately point fingers at others and place blame when not all the facts are known yet.

Truly a shame to see this sharp contrast in the way people are treating the situation, reminds me of how some acted after the Christchurch tragedy in New Zealand.


You want to know what I'm finding sad? The reaction some people are having in social media. Criticizing those who are talking about this incident but don't talk about Syria or Native American art being lost. And as much as I empathize with Syrian refugees and Native American art that's been lost, I also empathize with Notre Dame burning. I've been there. I was raised Catholic, and even though I am not practicing it or identify as Catholic, ND's is a treasure to many people.

I wish, and I realize people have opinions and are entitled to them and can talk about them in their FB or Twitter or whatever, I wish that we didn't always resort to that when a tragedy happens. Then again, it's social media. Someone will always rain on someone else's parade.

Online comments and twitter aren't representative

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:36 pm

The way I see it, this is possibily the biggest crisis in France since the Nazi invasion in World War II.

My heart truly goes out to the French.

I hope God saves the Notre Dame from the fires of Lucifer.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:37 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The way I see it, this is possibily the biggest crisis in France since the Nazi invasion in World War II.

My heart truly goes out to the French.

I hope God saves the Notre Dame from the fires of Lucifer.


You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:38 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:The way I see it, this is possibily the biggest crisis in France since the Nazi invasion in World War II.

My heart truly goes out to the French.

I hope God saves the Notre Dame from the fires of Lucifer.


You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.


can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:39 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The way I see it, this is possibily the biggest crisis in France since the Nazi invasion in World War II.

My heart truly goes out to the French.

I hope God saves the Notre Dame from the fires of Lucifer.

As horrible as it was the Cathedral still stands. It will rise again.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:39 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.


can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?

Yes they can. There are plenty of photos and the plans likely exist as well.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:39 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.


can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


They've done it before. I am sure they can do it again.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


They've done it before. I am sure they can do it again.


I see...

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.


can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


Indeed they can. We must remember that very little of what Notre Dame was was actually original save for the stone and the ceiling, even the spire only dates back to Napoleon III's reign. The biggest loss has been the rose windows, and even they can be reclaimed in time.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
You need not despair, for Notre Dame still stands, and in better shape than many might've expected.


can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


I'm guessing building technology has advanced since the last time it had to be restored.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The way I see it, this is possibily the biggest crisis in France since the Nazi invasion in World War II.

1: X for doubt
2: Even if this is true that's a pretty low bar to set.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
They've done it before. I am sure they can do it again.


I see...

There will have to be through investigation of the building first. The structure appears to be largely intact but its not officially confirmed

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:42 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


Indeed they can. We must remember that very little of what Notre Dame was was actually original save for the stone and the ceiling, even the spire only dates back to Napoleon III's reign. The biggest loss has been the rose windows, and even they can be reclaimed in time.


And thankfully, a great deal of the artwork and relics is safe. The altar and a lot of the pews seem to have survived. We lost the ''forest'' roof and the spire, but the inside seems to not be extensively damaged.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:44 pm

I already have a meme of a GoT dragon over the fire from a French friend so I assume they're getting over it.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:45 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
can they rebuild the parts that are burnt/destroyed? does the knowledge still exist?


I'm guessing building technology has advanced since the last time it had to be restored.

Indeed. If Cathedrals couldn't be rebuilt Germany would have... significantly fewer.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:46 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I'm guessing building technology has advanced since the last time it had to be restored.

Indeed. If Cathedrals couldn't be rebuilt Germany would have... significantly fewer.

Really. Thank goodness the Pyramids or Stonehenge haven't burned. No one knows how to build those. *nodnod*
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:46 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I'm guessing building technology has advanced since the last time it had to be restored.

Indeed. If Cathedrals couldn't be rebuilt Germany would have... significantly fewer.

and building a Cathedral today is much easier than it was in 12th century.
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