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Spirit of Hope wrote:Not really. You have already said we should wait for the government report. Well the government has given a preliminary report. It says not arson. You can continue to speculate about arson, but that is speculating against the facts.

I never said it was or speculated that it was arson. I said we should continue speculation the cause of the fire. Arson is not the only cause of fire.

Vassenor wrote:At some point just endlessly repeating BUT ITS STILL POSSIBLE even after it's been shown not to be a possibility just makes you look desperate.

I never said Arson was still possible, I said we should continue speculating the cause of the fire.

Dresderstan wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If things go as planned, and that is a big IF, then it should be ready by 2026.

That's assuming Spain/Catalonia doesn't descend into chaos and rebellion that destroys the original works and plans... again.

Not to derail (my last interjection on the subject) but the reality is: La Sagrada Familia's scope (curses Gaudi) and the fact that the project constantly runs out of money.

Dresderstan wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If things go as planned, and that is a big IF, then it should be ready by 2026.

That's assuming Spain/Catalonia doesn't descend into chaos and rebellion that destroys the original works and plans... again.

Plans can be digitalized. And quickly transferred on the internet to a safer place. No worries there.

Heck, they might have done so already. Backups

Farnhamia wrote:

The Black Party wrote:
This is what, the third time? This is getting spammy, Vassenor.

Why don't you just drop it then? You're the one who keeps bringing up arson. People will respond, you know.

Is this an official warning? I don't recall bringing up arson. I do recall bringing up speculation in general.

The blAAtschApen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:That's assuming Spain/Catalonia doesn't descend into chaos and rebellion that destroys the original works and plans... again.

Plans can be digitalized. And quickly transferred on the internet to a safer place. No worries there.

Heck, they might have done so already. Backups

I bleeping hope so!! That thing has cost Catalunya millions. Jo!

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Luminesa wrote:I'd like to find a way to be at the dedication Mass for that church. It's one of my favorite cathedrals, even if it's still being finished.

If things go as planned, and that is a big IF, then it should be ready by 2026.

Welp, time to save money for a trip to Barcelona!

Fartsniffage wrote:Is it too soon to ask whether installing a sprinkler system would have shown a lack of faith in god?

heh. Though, in hindsight that would've been a good precaution to take.

Luminesa wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If things go as planned, and that is a big IF, then it should be ready by 2026.

Welp, time to save money for a trip to Barcelona!

That's a great plan. Even unfinished it's fantastic.

The Black Party wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Why don't you just drop it then? You're the one who keeps bringing up arson. People will respond, you know.

Is this an official warning? I don't recall bringing up arson. I do recall bringing up speculation in general.

You'll know when it's official. Speculation about it being arson. Don't split hairs with me. Drop it. That goes for everyone else.

Does anyone know the fate of the pipe organ?

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Luminesa wrote:Welp, time to save money for a trip to Barcelona!

That's a great plan. Even unfinished it's fantastic.

And worthy of its own thread, don't you think?

thank goodness they saved the main structure... but losing the rose windows is pretty crushing

How many historical buildings must be destroyed! Sigh.

Skylus wrote:Does anyone know the fate of the pipe organ?

AFAIK, nothing has been said about it. I'm looking.

The Black Party wrote:

Spirit of Hope wrote:Not really. You have already said we should wait for the government report. Well the government has given a preliminary report. It says not arson. You can continue to speculate about arson, but that is speculating against the facts.

I never said it was or speculated that it was arson. I said we should continue speculation the cause of the fire. Arson is not the only cause of fire.

Vassenor wrote:At some point just endlessly repeating BUT ITS STILL POSSIBLE even after it's been shown not to be a possibility just makes you look desperate.

I never said Arson was still possible, I said we should continue speculating the cause of the fire.

Your direct response to me saying it was not arson was saying:

The Black Party wrote:There is always a possibility.

I find it hard to read that as anything other than pushing speculation that the fire was caused by arson.

While we can speculate as to what caused the fire, it appears rather obvious that it was not arson and was likely an accident involving the restoration effort.

Farnhamia wrote:You'll know when it's official. Speculation about it being arson. Don't split hairs with me. Drop it. That goes for everyone else.

No more speculation then.

Skylus wrote:Does anyone know the fate of the pipe organ?

I think I remember reading it's safe, though I don't have a link for you.

Friends and I jokingly think it was two of the renovators and one dropped a cigarette. That's about as much info as we had was it was undergoing renovations at the time of the fire. Shit happens.

Something beautiful was there yesterday.

And something beautiful will stand tomorrow.

You cannot erase what was done, not as long as history has it in the archives. Something was lost, but the fact that the majority of the planet hasn't visited this spot and still praise it proves that this beauty will be remembered no matter what.

Spirit of Hope wrote:

The Black Party wrote:I never said it was or speculated that it was arson. I said we should continue speculation the cause of the fire. Arson is not the only cause of fire.

I never said Arson was still possible, I said we should continue speculating the cause of the fire.

Your direct response to me saying it was not arson was saying:

The Black Party wrote:There is always a possibility.

I find it hard to read that as anything other than pushing speculation that the fire was caused by arson.

While we can speculate as to what caused the fire, it appears rather obvious that it was not arson and was likely an accident involving the restoration effort.

What the hell did I just say? Oh, wait, let me quote that for you:

Farnhamia wrote:

The Black Party wrote:Is this an official warning? I don't recall bringing up arson. I do recall bringing up speculation in general.

You'll know when it's official. Speculation about it being arson. Don't split hairs with me. Drop it. That goes for everyone else.

Speculation on arson is only causing a lot of "Is so!" "Is not!" arguing. I would appreciate it stopping. Now.

Does anyone know the condition or dare I say fate of the bell

Spirit of Hope wrote:Your direct response to me saying it was not arson was saying:

The Black Party wrote:There is always a possibility.

I find it hard to read that as anything other than pushing speculation that the fire was caused by arson.

While we can speculate as to what caused the fire, it appears rather obvious that it was not arson and was likely an accident involving the restoration effort.

That is my fault, I was responding specifically to second this:

Spirit of Hope wrote:But sure we should wait longer, while speculating that maybe it was arson.

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Does anyone know the condition or dare I say fate of the bell

The bells seem to be fine.

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Does anyone know the condition or dare I say fate of the bell

Still safe and in place.

The vault is safe from the last I read, so everything below it is safe too, that includes things like the organs and whatnot.

Senkaku wrote:thank goodness they saved the main structure... but losing the rose windows is pretty crushing

Glass can be replaced, but it would have been far more difficult to replace the actual structure, since engineers and stonemasons having skills related to Gothic architecture will be rare as hen's teeth nowadays.