Massive Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

[North German Realm]

The raison d'etre of a government is to help people. That of a billionaire? He can help people, but only out of the kindness of his heart; if he's not compelled to, he may as well prefer to stash his cash under his already lumpy mattress.

Is not a virtuous act done out of the kindness of one's heart better than a virtuous act done at gunpoint?

I'd rather have them pay their share at gunpoint rather than trust them to pay their share out of the kindness of their heart. So would most people.

[Kragholm Free States]

Is not a virtuous act done out of the kindness of one's heart better than a virtuous act done at gunpoint?

I'd rather have them pay their share at gunpoint rather than trust them to pay their share out of the kindness of their heart. So would most people.

What is "their share"? Why are you entitled to it? 'Most people' supporting institutionalised robbery does not make it morally right.

[North German Realm]

I'd rather have them pay their share at gunpoint rather than trust them to pay their share out of the kindness of their heart. So would most people.

What is "their share"? Why are you entitled to it? 'Most people' supporting institutionalised robbery does not make it morally right.

Their share is the tax they pay, of course. As they make more, they should pay more -it makes no sense the other way around, and everyone paying the same percentage is just dumb.

And really?" Institutionalized Robbery"? Nope. That's not how it works. As long as a State exists, anyone living under its jurisdiction is supposed to pay for its upkeep. As the State's only reason to exist (as it has been said above) is to provide welfare, order, and security for those under its jurisdiction, the money to provide said welfare, order, and security is part of that upkeep (As the State has no other way of making an income. Unless you'd rather have every resources be nationalized in exploitation and trade). If we're not on agreement on this, debate can't really continue on this topic.

[Kragholm Free States]

What is "their share"? Why are you entitled to it? 'Most people' supporting institutionalised robbery does not make it morally right.

Their share is the tax they pay, of course. As they make more, they should pay more -it makes no sense the other way around, and everyone paying the same percentage is just dumb.

And really?" Institutionalized Robbery"? Nope. That's not how it works. As long as a State exists, anyone living under its jurisdiction is supposed to pay for its upkeep. As the State's only reason to exist (as it has been said above) is to provide welfare, order, and security for those under its jurisdiction, the money to provide said welfare, order, and security is part of that upkeep (As the State has no other way of making an income. Unless you'd rather have every resources be nationalized in exploitation and trade). If we're not on agreement on this, debate can't really continue on this topic.

Why does it make no sense? Explain, please, why anyone who is arbitrarily judged to have 'too much' deserves to be robbed. Because it is robbery. You may not necessarily think calling taxation 'institutionalised robbery' is constructive, but it is still accurate. An institution, the state, uses the threat of overwhelming force in order to take the property of individuals from them.

By all means argue that it is justified, please, but do not try to argue that it is not institutionalised robbery.

[Duhon]

The raison d'etre of a government is to help people. That of a billionaire? He can help people, but only out of the kindness of his heart; if he's not compelled to, he may as well prefer to stash his cash under his already lumpy mattress.

Is not a virtuous act done out of the kindness of one's heart better than a virtuous act done at gunpoint?

Kindness alone cannot make a government function; for that you'll need money, and I don't trust corporations and the billionaires and millionaires behind them not to forgo the profit motive every time.

Let me put it this way -- a government dispensing monies is accountable in ways billionaires are not.

[Kragholm Free States]

Is not a virtuous act done out of the kindness of one's heart better than a virtuous act done at gunpoint?

Kindness alone cannot make a government function; for that you'll need money, and I don't trust corporations and the billionaires and millionaires behind them not to forgo the profit motive every time.

Let me put it this way -- a government dispensing monies is accountable in ways billionaires are not.

How on earth are governments more accountable than wealthy individuals? If a billionaire spends their money on murdering people, they go to prison. If a government spends their money on murdering people, other governments may shake their heads disapprovingly but ultimately they get away with it.

Kindness alone cannot make a government function. That is true. But money alone, devoid of kindness, can. And often does, to the benefit of nobody except the people in government.

[Duhon]

Kindness alone cannot make a government function; for that you'll need money, and I don't trust corporations and the billionaires and millionaires behind them not to forgo the profit motive every time.

Let me put it this way -- a government dispensing monies is accountable in ways billionaires are not.

How on earth are governments more accountable than wealthy individuals? If a billionaire spends their money on murdering people, they go to prison. If a government spends their money on murdering people, other governments may shake their heads disapprovingly but ultimately they get away with it.

Kindness alone cannot make a government function. That is true. But money alone, devoid of kindness, can. And often does, to the benefit of nobody except the people in government.

A government (at least one democratically installed) has all the bells and whistles of popular democracy, and so can be removed if found wanting; an individual billionaire either is a character from Dickens or... isn't, unless compelled to part with some of his cash through taxes.

[Kragholm Free States]

How on earth are governments more accountable than wealthy individuals? If a billionaire spends their money on murdering people, they go to prison. If a government spends their money on murdering people, other governments may shake their heads disapprovingly but ultimately they get away with it.

Kindness alone cannot make a government function. That is true. But money alone, devoid of kindness, can. And often does, to the benefit of nobody except the people in government.

A government (at least one democratically installed) has all the bells and whistles of popular democracy, and so can be removed if found wanting; an individual billionaire either is a character from Dickens or... isn't, unless compelled to part with some of his cash through taxes.

Governments based on popular democracy are only a slight majority today, and a distinct minority historically. Democracy is certainly far from an inherent feature of government. Yes, a bad government can in theory be removed, but it is rather hard to remove an organisation with a monopoly on force and the means to exert it, especially if said organisation decides to prioritise remaining in power over ethical concerns. A good individual billionaire gives, and helps people with their money and resources. A bad individual billionaire does not give, but does not have anywhere near the same potential to do harm as a bad government.

[The Two Jerseys]

Apparently the beehives under the roof weren't harmed in the fire.

[Ethel mermania]

Apparently the beehives under the roof weren't harmed in the fire.

More nectar for the bee gods.

[Lamoni]

Such a sad thing that happened ! But what sadder is that people from the religion of peace were laughing and even praising the destruction of the church on various social media platforms

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[The Fifth Federation]

Oh how sad.The fire has effected the parts of the notre dame and the safety engineers thought they had everything down.Well they were wrong.

This is a truly effecting on the iconic landmark of paris and also currently people are questioning:What was the cause of the notre dame's fire?

Well that is currently responded that the cause has not been found.

[The Fifth Federation]

A government (at least one democratically installed) has all the bells and whistles of popular democracy, and so can be removed if found wanting; an individual billionaire either is a character from Dickens or... isn't, unless compelled to part with some of his cash through taxes.

Governments based on popular democracy are only a slight majority today, and a distinct minority historically. Democracy is certainly far from an inherent feature of government. Yes, a bad government can in theory be removed, but it is rather hard to remove an organisation with a monopoly on force and the means to exert it, especially if said organisation decides to prioritise remaining in power over ethical concerns. A good individual billionaire gives, and helps people with their money and resources. A bad individual billionaire does not give, but does not have anywhere near the same potential to do harm as a bad government.

Good job. *claps*

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh how sad.The fire has effected the parts of the notre dame and the safety engineers thought they had everything down.Well they were wrong.

This is a truly effecting on the iconic landmark of paris and also currently people are questioning:What was the cause of the notre dame's fire?

Well that is currently responded that the cause has not been found.

Actually it has. Authorities have been saying since this event happened that it was an accident. This has been said throughout the thread as well.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Oh how sad.The fire has effected the parts of the notre dame and the safety engineers thought they had everything down.Well they were wrong.

This is a truly effecting on the iconic landmark of paris and also currently people are questioning:What was the cause of the notre dame's fire?

Well that is currently responded that the cause has not been found.

It's likely accidental, though I believe it's still being investigated by the authorities.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I don't understand why the French are so hung up about this. They literally planned on demolishing the Cathedral at one point. Anyway, I thought France was a fanatically secular country, and the government wants to rebuild it? The Vatican has money, if they want to keep it they can pay for it.

Maybe a couple of crackpots in 1798 or something but that hardly reflects the sentiment of modern day france. Just because they are secular does not mean they do not cherish a major cultural and historical landmark.

[The Fifth Federation]

Oh how sad.The fire has effected the parts of the notre dame and the safety engineers thought they had everything down.Well they were wrong.

This is a truly effecting on the iconic landmark of paris and also currently people are questioning:What was the cause of the notre dame's fire?

Well that is currently responded that the cause has not been found.

It's likely accidental, though I believe it's still being investigated by the authorities.

Thanks sir.

[Frachen]

It's always the builders doing renovation being careless.

Or it could be someone else, look at the facts, everything is up to date, and that wood doesn't catch fire like that from simple electricity malfunctions.

[Kubra]

It's always the builders doing renovation being careless.

Or it could be someone else, look at the facts, everything is up to date, and that wood doesn't catch fire like that from simple electricity malfunctions.

I bet it was jet fuel
wait a minute...

[Deutschess Kaiserreich]

Or it could be someone else, look at the facts, everything is up to date, and that wood doesn't catch fire like that from simple electricity malfunctions.

I bet it was jet fuel
wait a minute...

Fire can't melt wood beams!

[Aether]

From Bordeaux in france we are sad too of what happened and how politicians use that to their public looking

[San Lumen]

It's always the builders doing renovation being careless.

Or it could be someone else, look at the facts, everything is up to date, and that wood doesn't catch fire like that from simple electricity malfunctions.

or maybe you need to learn physics

[Tarsonis]

It's always the builders doing renovation being careless.

Or it could be someone else, look at the facts, everything is up to date, and that wood doesn't catch fire like that from simple electricity malfunctions.

You’re looking for a problem.