Massive Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

[Major-Tom]

This was a tragedy that saddened me pretty deeply - though there were some silver linings, namely that many of the iconic statues were removed to prepare for further renovations just before the fire, and that cataclysmic damage was largely averted due to the efforts of firefighters.

[Spirit of Hope]

Re: number 2, this was reported on earlier in the thread.

Re: number 3, that's ridiculous. You can't rule out something without having examined any of the physical evidence.

2) I was aware it was reported on earlier in the thread. I didn't see it in a source then, and none of the sources I have read since then mentioned it.
3) You can totally make a call without examining the physical evidence at the seen. "Wow the security cameras show no one entering that area other than the fire inspector, after the construction workers left. We've had no threats, no claims of responsibility, and no threat allerts." Could be there logic. Or the original fire inspector who noticed the fire said "I saw flames coming from improperly stored electrical equipment and flammable." Or dozens of other possibilities.

The investigators have also now had days to look at the physical evidence and their story isnt changing.

I'm pretty willing to call it not arson, given the investigators already did that. This conspiracy would also require Macron somehow knowing there were going to be yellow vest protests shaking the stability of his government months before it happened. And he would then have to come up with this elaborate plan instead of facing the political issues.

Or once the protests and renovations are going he makes the call, to avoid appear on television, have his government fail to save a national historic monument, and only get small and temporary political support.

Neither of those sound very reasonable to me. Macron basically gains nothing, loses some, and has the potential to loose a lot.

The “temporary political support” would likely do more then what you implied. As it builds a reputation base for Macron and his supporters, to the point where people will likely say, “they were the ones who rebuilt Norte Dame”. It also harms the standing of the opposition. If your protesting and causing chaos for the French government, a claim that they are interfering with the reconstruction of Norte Dame is very possible. I think it is also a stretch to say “the government failed to save a national historical monument” as the fire department are likely not being order by the government.

You only get "I rebuilt the cathedral" cred in a decade when the fix is completed, until then you are "I let it burn down" mixed with "I don't like the proposed redesign" and "anyone in power wants to fix it" and doesn't fix the issues that are causing people to protest. Long long term it might help, but right now under the yellow vest protests ot isn't going to help Macron much politically.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Re: number 2, this was reported on earlier in the thread.

Re: number 3, that's ridiculous. You can't rule out something without having examined any of the physical evidence.

3) You can totally make a call without examining the physical evidence at the seen. "Wow the security cameras show no one entering that area other than the fire inspector, after the construction workers left. We've had no threats, no claims of responsibility, and no threat allerts." Could be there logic. Or the original fire inspector who noticed the fire said "I saw flames coming from improperly stored electrical equipment and flammable." Or dozens of other possibilities.

That’s considered highly unprofessional, and many have lost there jobs making “calls” like that.

The investigators have also now had days to look at the physical evidence and their story isnt changing.

Just because something hasn’t changed yet, doesnt mean the case is solved. A investigation can take weeks, and will only close once the case has been announced and concluded by the public.

The “temporary political support” would likely do more then what you implied. As it builds a reputation base for Macron and his supporters, to the point where people will likely say, “they were the ones who rebuilt Norte Dame”. It also harms the standing of the opposition. If your protesting and causing chaos for the French government, a claim that they are interfering with the reconstruction of Norte Dame is very possible. I think it is also a stretch to say “the government failed to save a national historical monument” as the fire department are likely not being order by the government.

You only get "I rebuilt the cathedral" cred in a decade when the fix is completed, until then you are "I let it burn down" mixed with "I don't like the proposed redesign" and "anyone in power wants to fix it" and doesn't fix the issues that are causing people to protest. Long long term it might help, but right now under the yellow vest protests ot isn't going to help Macron much politically.

It gets people to pause and stop shitting up the country for the most part. As I said, you don’t want to be labelled as “the guys interfering with the Norte Dame reconstruction”

[Galloism]

Re: number 2, this was reported on earlier in the thread.

Re: number 3, that's ridiculous. You can't rule out something without having examined any of the physical evidence.

2) I was aware it was reported on earlier in the thread. I didn't see it in a source then, and none of the sources I have read since then mentioned it.
3) You can totally make a call without examining the physical evidence at the seen. "Wow the security cameras show no one entering that area other than the fire inspector, after the construction workers left. We've had no threats, no claims of responsibility, and no threat allerts." Could be there logic. Or the original fire inspector who noticed the fire said "I saw flames coming from improperly stored electrical equipment and flammable." Or dozens of other possibilities.

The investigators have also now had days to look at the physical evidence and their story isnt changing.

2) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/de ... ar-BBVXM4v

3) Again, that's ridiculous, unless they have footage of the fire starting, which probably should have (and would have) been shared with the media. Because of the nature of how fires work. This whole thing is very suspicious.

Again, it could all be a series of coincidences in a very convenient manner, but the two fires bursting out at the same time, along with the other coincidences and semi-related things, really shoots an eyebrow up for me.

[South Acren]

All that history...ruined. That fire made me depressed

[Northern Guaniet Sover]

on fox news now they say a video game scan can help rebuild the cathedral

[Bezkoshtovnya]

on fox news now they say a video game scan can help rebuild the cathedral

Nah that's silly. They have a bunch of documents of the plans already, I really doubt Assassins Creed is going to be any value with it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

All that history...ruined. That fire made me depressed

Actually most of the history is safe.

[South Acren]

Actually most of the history is safe.

Not the famed spire...or the parts that were burnt

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Actually most of the history is safe.

Not the famed spire...or the parts that were burnt

Obviously not, but a lot of the relics and artworks were taken out so their alcoves/vaults/whatever could be repaired.

[Ethel mermania]

All that history...ruined. That fire made me depressed

Actually most of the history is safe.

850 year old French beechwood beams. As a non catholic who has been there, it was the construction details and medieval craftwork that absolutely impressed me the most. That will never be recovered.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm pretty willing to call it not arson, given the investigators already did that. This conspiracy would also require Macron somehow knowing there were going to be yellow vest protests shaking the stability of his government months before it happened. And he would then have to come up with this elaborate plan instead of facing the political issues.

Or once the protests and renovations are going he makes the call, to avoid appear on television, have his government fail to save a national historic monument, and only get small and temporary political support.

Neither of those sound very reasonable to me. Macron basically gains nothing, loses some, and has the potential to loose a lot.

Eh, he would just have to have told Inspector Clouseau the the pink panther had been spotted in the Notre Dame roof.

The destruction would have been complete.

[Yusseria]

Actually most of the history is safe.

850 year old French beechwood beams. As a non catholic who has been there, it was the construction details and medieval craftwork that absolutely impressed me the most. That will never be recovered.

Never fear. Assassin's Creed Unity is coming to the rescue.

[Ethel mermania]

850 year old French beechwood beams. As a non catholic who has been there, it was the construction details and medieval craftwork that absolutely impressed me the most. That will never be recovered.

Never fear. Assassin's Creed Unity is coming to the rescue.

Tbh, I approve.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wat?

I believe he's trying to thank Muslims for starting this fire, since he also hates Christians, because he blames them for marriage rates in western Europe being lower than in eastern Europe, and I'm guessing this has something to do with his desire to destroy modern society and have everyone inbreed until we're too stupid to recreate it.

Someone guzzled the kool-aid, I guess. Guzzled it hard.

[Technocratic Uganda]

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

...
This is a fucking joke, right?

clown world

[Bear Stearns]

Build condos.

[Greed and Death]

on fox news now they say a video game scan can help rebuild the cathedral

Nah that's silly. They have a bunch of documents of the plans already, I really doubt Assassins Creed is going to be any value with it.

Are you kidding Assassins creed is the most exact rendering of the Cathedral ever they have every step down to the milliliter.

Also if they use the Assassins creed rendering they will add some secret rooms and stuff that the Cathedral desperately needs.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nah that's silly. They have a bunch of documents of the plans already, I really doubt Assassins Creed is going to be any value with it.

Are you kidding Assassins creed is the most exact rendering of the Cathedral ever they have every step down to the milliliter.

Also if they use the Assassins creed rendering they will add some secret rooms and stuff that the Cathedral desperately needs.

And a lot of saving your life from jumping from ludicrous heights by just falling into a hay cart. *nod*

[Vassenor]

Nah that's silly. They have a bunch of documents of the plans already, I really doubt Assassins Creed is going to be any value with it.

Are you kidding Assassins creed is the most exact rendering of the Cathedral ever they have every step down to the milliliter.

Also if they use the Assassins creed rendering they will add some secret rooms and stuff that the Cathedral desperately needs.

Apart from all the bits they had to make up. Like the spire.

[Bear Stearns]

we should build a Westfield shopping mall on top of it.

[The Blaatschapen]

we should build a Westfield shopping mall on top of it.

"we"?

I did not know you were French

[Bear Stearns]

we should build a Westfield shopping mall on top of it.

"we"?

I did not know you were French

Corporations are multinational.

[The Blaatschapen]

"we"?

I did not know you were French

Corporations are multinational.

Of course, monsieur Stearns.

[Greed and Death]

Are you kidding Assassins creed is the most exact rendering of the Cathedral ever they have every step down to the milliliter.

Also if they use the Assassins creed rendering they will add some secret rooms and stuff that the Cathedral desperately needs.

Apart from all the bits they had to make up. Like the spire.

The French wouldn't let them fly a drone around the Spire. It is not their fault.

If the Spire comes away looking like modern art trash I blame the French Govnerment.