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Technocratic Uganda wrote:I would like to thank our Muslim friends and, in a sense, brothers in arms, for kicking the mostly-limp proverbial body of the religious institution that Hajnalised us more than anything else and lead to the issues both of our peoples are experiencing. Although you probably want to cut my head off and I refuse to accept any religion that comes from a desert for the forseeable future, we share a common fight for the time being. It might have been a mostly-symbolic act, but the fact that the products-of-Hajnalisation powers that be are attempting to take away even the fact that you probably did it (instead trailing off into speculation on completely unaddressed electrical faults in one of the most important heritage-listed buildings in Europe) should give you all the affirmation of your actions you needed. We will win.

Nothing like a religious edgy kid in the morning to get the blood flowing.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:

Technocratic Uganda wrote:I would like to thank our Muslim friends and, in a sense, brothers in arms, for kicking the mostly-limp proverbial body of the religious institution that Hajnalised us more than anything else and lead to the issues both of our peoples are experiencing. Although you probably want to cut my head off and I refuse to accept any religion that comes from a desert for the forseeable future, we share a common fight for the time being. It might have been a mostly-symbolic act, but the fact that the products-of-Hajnalisation powers that be are attempting to take away even the fact that you probably did it (instead trailing off into speculation on completely unaddressed electrical faults in one of the most important heritage-listed buildings in Europe) should give you all the affirmation of your actions you needed. We will win.

Nothing like a religious edgy kid in the morning to get the blood flowing.

The fact people who are most likely technophiles will side with the supposedly "regressive" religion of Roman Catholicism, especially after it has been rendered mostly toothless, should tell people opposed to this kind of thinking and acting all they need to know about both people who follow the doctrines of a cathedral and people who follow the doctrines of the cathedral. Not in a character sense of course but what their alignment on big issues such as what this church burning represents.

Ifreann wrote:

Andsed wrote:Wat?

I believe he's trying to thank Muslims for starting this fire, since he also hates Christians, because he blames them for marriage rates in western Europe being lower than in eastern Europe, and I'm guessing this has something to do with his desire to destroy modern society and have everyone inbreed until we're too stupid to recreate it.

Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Andsed wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I believe he's trying to thank Muslims for starting this fire, since he also hates Christians, because he blames them for marriage rates in western Europe being lower than in eastern Europe, and I'm guessing this has something to do with his desire to destroy modern society and have everyone inbreed until we're too stupid to recreate it.

Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Can’t talk sense for too long, rots the brain. Good job TU was here.

Andsed wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I believe he's trying to thank Muslims for starting this fire, since he also hates Christians, because he blames them for marriage rates in western Europe being lower than in eastern Europe, and I'm guessing this has something to do with his desire to destroy modern society and have everyone inbreed until we're too stupid to recreate it.

Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Not so much a conspiracy theory as a grand narrative which can be drawn together using pieces of information that are very much out in the open. The burning of this mosque is a very minuscule thing in the long run, but because it is connected to numerous things around it no matter what the full story of the burning was, it is actually very topical, relevant and not "edgy" to bring up a larger historical/societal narrative in a way that can be easily linked to the Notre Dame fire. If the Notre Dame fire was an oh so terrible accident that existed in pure isolation and nothing around it suggested anything, the entirety of this thread would be discussion on the structural faults of the building. Although this is part of the thread the purpose of mentioning those faults is often to shift blame away from other potential causes posters might not have wanted to start the fire, there are jokes about the French as well and talk of "faith in humanity" by big popular posters hoping such a culturally important site is restored quickly and accurately. None of this exists in a vaccum and you only need to pay attention to the connections to see what is going on.

Andsed wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I believe he's trying to thank Muslims for starting this fire, since he also hates Christians, because he blames them for marriage rates in western Europe being lower than in eastern Europe, and I'm guessing this has something to do with his desire to destroy modern society and have everyone inbreed until we're too stupid to recreate it.

Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Andsed wrote:Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

Funny coincidences should always be followed and questioned. At the very least they should be acknowledged, the skepticism you've put into acknowledging them is a pretty good mentality for approaching the situation IMO. Probably the ideal one.

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Andsed wrote:Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Not so much a conspiracy theory as a grand narrative which can be drawn together using pieces of information that are very much out in the open. The burning of this mosque is a very minuscule thing in the long run, but because it is connected to numerous things around it no matter what the full story of the burning was, it is actually very topical, relevant and not "edgy" to bring up a larger historical/societal narrative in a way that can be easily linked to the Notre Dame fire. If the Notre Dame fire was an oh so terrible accident that existed in pure isolation and nothing around it suggested anything, the entirety of this thread would be discussion on the structural faults of the building. Although this is part of the thread the purpose of mentioning those faults is often to shift blame away from other potential causes posters might not have wanted to start the fire, there are jokes about the French as well and talk of "faith in humanity" by big popular posters hoping such a culturally important site is restored quickly and accurately. None of this exists in a vaccum and you only need to pay attention to the connections to see what is going on.

Oh please stop with the bullshit. There is very little to suggest that this is a deliberate attack. Construction work was being done on Norte Dame and the building is old as hell. Unless new info comes out suggesting this was a deliberate attack is nothing more than baseless speculation.

I find myself in a bizarre state of indifference to this incident.

On one hand, I certainly mourn the loss of any historical architecture particularly that in the Gothic style; Yet on the other to me it seems no different than an incineration of a Confederate or Nazi building. The Catholic Church has long been an institution of colonialism, violence, oppression, and genocide. I have a colleague who struggles with depression due to the suicide of her mother caused by the trauma from the abuse of a Catholic residential school in Quebec, so to claim the Notre Dame's historical legacy as a thing of beauty without considering the suffering embedded within is troubling.

Andsed wrote:

Technocratic Uganda wrote:Not so much a conspiracy theory as a grand narrative which can be drawn together using pieces of information that are very much out in the open. The burning of this mosque is a very minuscule thing in the long run, but because it is connected to numerous things around it no matter what the full story of the burning was, it is actually very topical, relevant and not "edgy" to bring up a larger historical/societal narrative in a way that can be easily linked to the Notre Dame fire. If the Notre Dame fire was an oh so terrible accident that existed in pure isolation and nothing around it suggested anything, the entirety of this thread would be discussion on the structural faults of the building. Although this is part of the thread the purpose of mentioning those faults is often to shift blame away from other potential causes posters might not have wanted to start the fire, there are jokes about the French as well and talk of "faith in humanity" by big popular posters hoping such a culturally important site is restored quickly and accurately. None of this exists in a vaccum and you only need to pay attention to the connections to see what is going on.

Oh please stop with the bullshit. There is very little to suggest that this is a deliberate attack. Construction work was being done on Norte Dame and the building is old as hell. Unless new info comes out suggesting this was a deliberate attack is nothing more than baseless speculation.

If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less? Seems incredibly fishy. The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Andsed wrote:Oh please stop with the bullshit. There is very little to suggest that this is a deliberate attack. Construction work was being done on Norte Dame and the building is old as hell. Unless new info comes out suggesting this was a deliberate attack is nothing more than baseless speculation.

If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less?

Incompetent oversight is just as inevitable as death and taxes. News at 11.

Seems incredibly fishy.

Only if you're not familiar with human nature.

The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

Lolwat.

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Andsed wrote:Oh please stop with the bullshit. There is very little to suggest that this is a deliberate attack. Construction work was being done on Norte Dame and the building is old as hell. Unless new info comes out suggesting this was a deliberate attack is nothing more than baseless speculation.

If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less? Seems incredibly fishy. The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

No the difference is that you look for conspiracy theories whenever something like this happens while I stay in reality and look at the facts. There were renovations being done on a old building and what likely happened is because of either the mechanical tools that are used by construction crew or maybe careless placed cigarettes caused an accident and a fire to break out. There is nothing fishy here.

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Andsed wrote:Oh please stop with the bullshit. There is very little to suggest that this is a deliberate attack. Construction work was being done on Norte Dame and the building is old as hell. Unless new info comes out suggesting this was a deliberate attack is nothing more than baseless speculation.

If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less? Seems incredibly fishy. The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

For all you know, the monitoring on the electrical equipment already present is precisely why we're pretty much certain this was an accident.
I get where you're coming from, but I trust the baseless speculation of a random person on the Internet a lot less than I trust the word of the French.

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:

Technocratic Uganda wrote:If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less? Seems incredibly fishy. The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

For all you know, the monitoring on the electrical equipment already present is precisely why we're pretty much certain this was an accident.
I get where you're coming from, but I trust the baseless speculation of a random person on the Internet a lot less than I trust the word of the French.

This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

Galloism wrote:

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:For all you know, the monitoring on the electrical equipment already present is precisely why we're pretty much certain this was an accident.
I get where you're coming from, but I trust the baseless speculation of a random person on the Internet a lot less than I trust the word of the French.

This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

Exaggerations aside, anecdotally I’d say we tend to trust them more on average than Americans.

Andsed wrote:

Technocratic Uganda wrote:If there was construction work shouldn't there have been more monitoring done on the pre-existing electrical work done in the building and not less? Seems incredibly fishy. The difference between you and me is that you are afraid your pet group might have done something else "wrong", I embrace what they have possibly done as something that will have been done for a valid reason and thatis not entirely negative.

No the difference is that you look for conspiracy theories whenever something like this happens while I stay in reality and look at the facts. There were renovations being done on a old building and what likely happened is because of either the mechanical tools that are used by construction crew or maybe careless placed cigarettes caused an accident and a fire to break out. There is nothing fishy here.

That's pretty cringe bro.

Literally have no idea what Technocratic Uganda is talking about. What the heck is "Hajnalised"? Also, and this is to Technocratic Uganda from your friendly neighborhood Muslim: I don't want to cut your head off and you really shouldn't make generalizations about people. Also the fire was an accident.

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Andsed wrote:No the difference is that you look for conspiracy theories whenever something like this happens while I stay in reality and look at the facts. There were renovations being done on a old building and what likely happened is because of either the mechanical tools that are used by construction crew or maybe careless placed cigarettes caused an accident and a fire to break out. There is nothing fishy here.

That's pretty cringe bro.

Translation: I just realized there is literally nothing indicating a deliberate attack and that this was likely just a simple accident but I won’t admit that and instead try to be snide.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Andsed wrote:Ah so basically just more edgy conspiracy theory with nothing backing it? Well it was getting too logical and sane here I guess.

Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

Ifreann wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:
Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

Are Europeans pathologically incapable (exaggerating here) of understanding what a healthy mistrust of authority is like? Another time people in France were doing this was when their heads were flying off. Does the Committee of Public Safety ring a bell? Trust the police, they only do policing, it's in their name! I'm sure the government has our best interests in mind and cares about our freedom, safety and lives, so it would never lie to us.

Ifreann wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:
Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

You seem to think terrorism = Muslims?

All Ethels saying is that there’s a possibility for terrorism

Technocratic Uganda wrote:

Ifreann wrote:The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

Are Europeans pathologically incapable (exaggerating here) of understanding what a healthy mistrust of authority is like? Another time people in France were doing this was when their heads were flying off. Does the Committee of Public Safety ring a bell? Trust the police, they only do policing, it's in their name! I'm sure the government has our best interests in mind and cares about our freedom, safety and lives, so it would never lie to us.

Ok then, prove that this wasn't an accident.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:

Ifreann wrote:The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

You seem to think terrorism = Muslims?

All Ethels saying is that there’s a possibility for terrorism

Yes, could also have been the IRA

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Technocratic Uganda wrote:Are Europeans pathologically incapable (exaggerating here) of understanding what a healthy mistrust of authority is like? Another time people in France were doing this was when their heads were flying off. Does the Committee of Public Safety ring a bell? Trust the police, they only do policing, it's in their name! I'm sure the government has our best interests in mind and cares about our freedom, safety and lives, so it would never lie to us.

Ok then, prove that this wasn't an accident.

You can't prove either way at this point.
You suggesting this completely rules out Islamic or other extremist arson is you whipping out something Taquiyya-esque which is a very old trick of yours' and very easy to spot. You're really not subtle and you don't need to use it on me anyway.

Alvecia wrote:

Galloism wrote:This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

Exaggerations aside, anecdotally I’d say we tend to trust them more on average than Americans.

Maybe we have more revealed examples of that trust being violated. Could be.