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Should US flag colors be allowed on police vehicles?

Yes, I prefer the new design!
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Yes, I like the traditional police service cars better, but, it's ok that they tried something different.
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Undecided.
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3%
No, I don't approve of the new design, I like the old one better.
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No, this design was implemented to intimidate, it's too aggressive.
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Postby Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:58 am

They are clearly talking about the red, white, & blue, the stars and stripes design, not for any ascetic purpose, but simply because it's patriotic. You guys managed to find that one word, and are desperately clinging to it in order to validate anti-patriotic sentiment, in the form of artistic differences. If you want to use some wordy goobledegook semantics to try and disprove that this is plain as day about our national colors being displayed on a government vehicle, that caused offense to US citizens, go ahead, whatever helps you sleep better at night, knowing you defended "the good guys."

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:00 am

Medwind wrote:They are clearly talking about the red, white, & blue, the stars and stripes design, not for any ascetic purpose, but simply because it's patriotic.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:01 am

Medwind wrote:They are clearly talking about the red, white, & blue, the stars and stripes design, not for any ascetic purpose, but simply because it's patriotic. You guys managed to find that one word, and are desperately clinging to it in order to validate anti-patriotic sentiment, in the form of artistic differences. If you want to use some wordy goobledegook semantics to try and disprove that this is plain as day about our national colors being displayed on a government vehicle, that caused offense to US citizens, go ahead, whatever helps you sleep better at night, knowing you defended "the good guys."


Or you're pulling anti-patriotic sentiment out of your backside just so you have something to throw a tantrum about.

If it's plain as day, you won't mind proving it.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:02 am

Medwind wrote:They are clearly talking about the red, white, & blue, the stars and stripes design, not for any ascetic purpose, but simply because it's patriotic. You guys managed to find that one word, and are desperately clinging to it in order to validate anti-patriotic sentiment, in the form of artistic differences. If you want to use some wordy goobledegook semantics to try and disprove that this is plain as day about our national colors being displayed on a government vehicle, that caused offense to US citizens, go ahead, whatever helps you sleep better at night, knowing you defended "the good guys."


Cool it, friend. There is room for debate when it comes to the actual design, too. It could use some work. I'd wager at least some of the outraged would be talking about the other design changes; And the whole story is pretty localized and inconsequential. No need to waste any more breath on accusing NSG (of all places) of not endorsing American patriotism.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:09 am

Besides, under the United States Flag Code isn't it actually illegal to use the flag as part of a logo?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:All police cars in the United States should feature a portrait of Donald Trump pointing a gun out of a car.


So who covers the cost of repainting all the cars in 2020?

Mexico obviously. Which means declaring the repainting of police cars a national emergency.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:29 am

Some people are really bad at allocating their outrage.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:31 am

Vassenor wrote:Besides, under the United States Flag Code isn't it actually illegal to use the flag as part of a logo?

For costuming or advertising, and it cant have any anything on top of it.
Emergency services and the military are exempt.

The flag code actually has a lot of silly little rules in it.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:33 am

Medwind wrote:They are clearly talking about the red, white, & blue, the stars and stripes design, not for any ascetic purpose, but simply because it's patriotic. You guys managed to find that one word, and are desperately clinging to it in order to validate anti-patriotic sentiment, in the form of artistic differences. If you want to use some wordy goobledegook semantics to try and disprove that this is plain as day about our national colors being displayed on a government vehicle, that caused offense to US citizens, go ahead, whatever helps you sleep better at night, knowing you defended "the good guys."

Pretty funny that your attempts to get people mad at the idea of someone, somewhere, not loving the flag have resulted only in you getting mad at us for reading the article and responding calmly.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:41 am

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Ifreann wrote:So we have two people quoted as objecting to the design painted on their local area's 11 cop cars.


Wow, what backlash. Look at all that outrage. Fucking riots on the streets of Laguna Beach. Call in the National Guard, political correctness has gone nuclear!

The objections I saw was that the art sucked (or rather did not look like it fit with the area), that the design of the cars made them look like SWAT team when there are multiple together, and one that thought there was an issue with painting the part of a flag on the vehicle.

Might be just my personal preference for simplistic designs but to me it does make them look less like real cop cars and more like props from a satirical TV show where they put US flags on literally everything.

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Postby Forsher » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:46 am

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Neutraligon wrote:The objections I saw was that the art sucked (or rather did not look like it fit with the area), that the design of the cars made them look like SWAT team when there are multiple together, and one that thought there was an issue with painting the part of a flag on the vehicle.

Might be just my personal preference for simplistic designs but to me it does make them look less like real cop cars and more like props from a satirical TV show where they put US flags on literally everything.


Any satire that is not or does not become reality is hardly satirical at all.

There is no point in satirising that which has no truth. That's what people here always miss about the Onion. If it's been satirised there's a reason why someone thought it necessary to do so.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:54 am

Esternial wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The objections I saw was that the art sucked (or rather did not look like it fit with the area), that the design of the cars made them look like SWAT team when there are multiple together, and one that thought there was an issue with painting the part of a flag on the vehicle.

Might be just my personal preference for simplistic designs but to me it does make them look less like real cop cars and more like props from a satirical TV show where they put US flags on literally everything.

Yeah I can see that in a show making fun of some people´s just to put it bluntly almost rabid patriotism.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:41 am

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:Who fucking cares?


But they went any length of time without venerating the flag. That means they hate America and everything it stands for and must be publicly shamed for their hatred of America.
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Postby Xmara » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:35 am

“We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn’t really represent our community,”


Direct quote from the article. It’s a matter of aesthetics. Another artist might incorporate the flag into the design, but make it much more aesthetically pleasing. The new design is a bit garish, IMO, and I do think there would be a better way to incorporate the flag if that is what they desire.

But as far as I’m seeing, “backlash” is hyperbole. It’s not like they’re holding protests in the street or rioting or shooting cops or anything. It’s just a few citizens who are disappointed with the design.

And before you accuse me of being unpatriotic, I am very proud to be an American. I support our troops (my dad is a disabled army vet), and while our country isn’t perfect, it’s still a better place to be than some of the other countries out there.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:45 am

Xmara wrote:
“We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn’t really represent our community,”


Direct quote from the article. It’s a matter of aesthetics. Another artist might incorporate the flag into the design, but make it much more aesthetically pleasing. The new design is a bit garish, IMO, and I do think there would be a better way to incorporate the flag if that is what they desire.

But as far as I’m seeing, “backlash” is hyperbole. It’s not like they’re holding protests in the street or rioting or shooting cops or anything. It’s just a few citizens who are disappointed with the design.

And before you accuse me of being unpatriotic, I am very proud to be an American. I support our troops (my dad is a disabled army vet), and while our country isn’t perfect, it’s still a better place to be than some of the other countries out there.

Well, see, exactly. And it's Laguna Beach, I would be surprised if this didn't get at least a few protests.

I also agree with your last sentence. We need to protect our country from extremism of any kind. That's why my signature quotes that eminent German-American Statesman and less successful general, Carl Schurz, in saying, "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."
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Postby Badb Catha » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Xmara wrote:
“We have such an amazing community of artists here, and I thought the aesthetic didn’t really represent our community,”


Direct quote from the article. It’s a matter of aesthetics. Another artist might incorporate the flag into the design, but make it much more aesthetically pleasing. The new design is a bit garish, IMO, and I do think there would be a better way to incorporate the flag if that is what they desire.

But as far as I’m seeing, “backlash” is hyperbole. It’s not like they’re holding protests in the street or rioting or shooting cops or anything. It’s just a few citizens who are disappointed with the design.

And before you accuse me of being unpatriotic, I am very proud to be an American. I support our troops (my dad is a disabled army vet), and while our country isn’t perfect, it’s still a better place to be than some of the other countries out there.

Well, see, exactly. And it's Laguna Beach, I would be surprised if this didn't get at least a few protests.

I also agree with your last sentence. We need to protect our country from extremism of any kind. That's why my signature quotes that eminent German-American Statesman and less successful general, Carl Schurz, in saying, "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."


That is a very wise quotation. I am glad to have heard it.

It is welcoming to know that the issue is also not patriotism, but rather the inherently poor design. I agree that the design looks unattractive and unappealing and they should try a different style.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:35 pm

Isn't it a crime to botch flag design? Seems like the critics are only patriots trying to help. :P
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:38 pm

Kowani wrote:The police are abusers anyway.


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Postby US-SSR » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:09 pm

Police departments considering new logos might could ask members of the community what they think about them rather than just fellow cops. This would save money from having to redo designs that thwart the purpose of making cop cars identifiable as well as carrying the message of "protect and serve." Just sayin'.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:11 pm

I'd be more concerned about the flag of my country being used by abusers, if I was American.
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Postby Yusseria » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:16 pm

The design seems fine to me.
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Postby Yusseria » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:16 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I'd be more concerned about the flag of my country being used by abusers, if I was American.

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I'd be more concerned about the flag of my country being used by abusers, if I was American.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:27 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Que?

The police are abusers.


As I stated before:

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