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Postby Zizou » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:37 pm

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Zizou wrote:Sure, that could be true. However, it's a bit disingenuous to assume that all the conservatives that criticize her are doing so because of those 2 factors.

The GOP certainly doesn't go the policy route and opts to call her a socialist and an anti-semite, all in an effort to denigrate her and to stir up their voter base.

The GOP and their actions also do not represent all the conservative folks out there. But yeah, the GOP has made some... Interesting moves within the past few years or so.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:41 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:The GOP certainly doesn't go the policy route and opts to call her a socialist and an anti-semite, all in an effort to denigrate her and to stir up their voter base.

The GOP and their actions also do not represent all the conservative folks out there. But yeah, the GOP has made some... Interesting moves within the past few years or so.

The GOP doesn't represent every conservative, but their leadership goes along with the defamation of Ilhan Omar and the politicians often go in line. State GOP groups like the West Virginia one put up an Islamophobic poster tying her to 9/11, if I'm not mistaken.
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Postby Zizou » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:42 pm

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Zizou wrote:The GOP and their actions also do not represent all the conservative folks out there. But yeah, the GOP has made some... Interesting moves within the past few years or so.

The GOP doesn't represent every conservative, but their leadership goes along with the defamation of Ilhan Omar and the politicians often go in line. State GOP groups like the West Virginia one put up an Islamophobic poster tying her to 9/11, if I'm not mistaken.

The "I'm proof you have forgotten thing" perhaps?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:43 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:The GOP doesn't represent every conservative, but their leadership goes along with the defamation of Ilhan Omar and the politicians often go in line. State GOP groups like the West Virginia one put up an Islamophobic poster tying her to 9/11, if I'm not mistaken.

The "I'm proof you have forgotten thing" perhaps?

Yep, that's the one.
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Postby Druulis » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:53 am

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And what behaviours would those be?

Considering how many times we've established that the whole "downplayed 9/11" thing was a lie.


Zero times?


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Postby Druulis » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:54 am

Nilrahrarfan wrote:Ilhan Omar's policies kind of give me the creeps, because she doesn't belong in an American office. Or any office, for that matter.


And why is that exactly?

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Postby Estanglia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:03 am

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Nilrahrarfan wrote:Ilhan Omar's policies kind of give me the creeps, because she doesn't belong in an American office. Or any office, for that matter.


And why is that exactly?


Nilrahrarfan wrote:Not because of her race, but because of her recent behavior.


Literally in the same post.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:07 am

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Zero times?


Just because you can't read doesn't mean nobody else can.


Ilhan Omar wrote:CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.


I can read just fine, that's an exact quote.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:26 am

The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 am

Gormwood wrote:The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".

Okay? Who's talking about those cunts, anyway?
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Postby Andsed » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 am

Gormwood wrote:The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".

Yes the death threats are in no way justified and the people doing them are likely not doing them for good reasons. What exactly is your point? Because last I checked most of us who have been criticizing Omar in this thread have not defended those making threats or made threats.
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Andsed wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".

Yes the death threats are in no way justified and the people doing them are likely not doing them for good reasons. What exactly is your point? Because last I checked most of us who have been criticizing Omar in this thread have not defended those making threats or made threats.

It's an attempt to link those who dislike her with those threatening her.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:39 am

Estanglia wrote:
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And why is that exactly?


Nilrahrarfan wrote:Not because of her race, but because of her recent behavior.


Literally in the same post.


We're still waiting for an explanation of exactly what about her behaviour though.

Vassenor wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Ilhan Omar's policies kind of give me the creeps, because she doesn't belong in an American office. Or any office, for that matter. Not because of her race, but because of her recent behavior. In fact, she would be getting the DEAT if she was on Nationstates.


And what behaviours would those be?

Considering how many times we've established that the whole "downplayed 9/11" thing was a lie.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:40 am

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Andsed wrote:Yes the death threats are in no way justified and the people doing them are likely not doing them for good reasons. What exactly is your point? Because last I checked most of us who have been criticizing Omar in this thread have not defended those making threats or made threats.

It's an attempt to link those who dislike her with those threatening her.

Speaker Pelosi didn't contact the Sergeant At Arms to get security for Rep. Omar because of people opposed to her policies. Like it or not the Republicans intentionally or otherwise inspire the crazies when they make insinuations with things like the "I Am Proof You Have Forgotten" poster.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:42 am

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Scomagia wrote:It's an attempt to link those who dislike her with those threatening her.

Speaker Pelosi didn't contact the Sergeant At Arms to get security for Rep. Omar because of people opposed to her policies. Like it or not the Republicans intentionally or otherwise inspire the crazies when they make insinuations with things like the "I Am Proof You Have Forgotten" poster.


Yes, but because not -everyone- thinks that way we're not allowed to talk about the people who -do- think that way, apparently.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:43 am

Gormwood wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It's an attempt to link those who dislike her with those threatening her.

Speaker Pelosi didn't contact the Sergeant At Arms to get security for Rep. Omar because of people opposed to her policies. Like it or not the Republicans intentionally or otherwise inspire the crazies when they make insinuations with things like the "I Am Proof You Have Forgotten" poster.


Politics inspire crazies, this isn't news.
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Postby Druulis » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:45 am

Telconi wrote:
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Just because you can't read doesn't mean nobody else can.


Ilhan Omar wrote:CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.


I can read just fine, that's an exact quote.


Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.

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Postby Druulis » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:46 am

Telconi wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Speaker Pelosi didn't contact the Sergeant At Arms to get security for Rep. Omar because of people opposed to her policies. Like it or not the Republicans intentionally or otherwise inspire the crazies when they make insinuations with things like the "I Am Proof You Have Forgotten" poster.


Politics inspire crazies, this isn't news.


And that makes it OK?

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:47 am

Druulis wrote:
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I can read just fine, that's an exact quote.


Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.

Gormwood wrote:I think we've established that conservatives are outraged that Rep. Omar as a Muslim did not express sufficient remorse for 9/11 as if she was crashed all 4 planes herself even while addressing CAIR on how it put Muslim Americans in a similar situation as Japanese Americans right after Pearl Harbor.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:47 am

Druulis wrote:
Telconi wrote:


I can read just fine, that's an exact quote.


Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.


I disagree.

Druulis wrote:
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Politics inspire crazies, this isn't news.


And that makes it OK?


It just is.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:48 am

Gormwood wrote:
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Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.

Gormwood wrote:I think we've established that conservatives are outraged that Rep. Omar as a Muslim did not express sufficient remorse for 9/11 as if she was crashed all 4 planes herself even while addressing CAIR on how it put Muslim Americans in a similar situation as Japanese Americans right after Pearl Harbor.


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Postby Estanglia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:09 am

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Literally in the same post.


We're still waiting for an explanation of exactly what about her behaviour though.


Druulis chopped that bit about it being because of her behaviour from Nilrahrarfan's post.

I quoted it in response because it's a bit strange to ask for a reason when an (admittedly vague) reason is in the post yet cropped out.




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Gormwood wrote:Speaker Pelosi didn't contact the Sergeant At Arms to get security for Rep. Omar because of people opposed to her policies. Like it or not the Republicans intentionally or otherwise inspire the crazies when they make insinuations with things like the "I Am Proof You Have Forgotten" poster.


Yes, but because not -everyone- thinks that way we're not allowed to talk about the people who -do- think that way, apparently.


No.

Because not everyone thinks that way you shouldn't make broad statements that everyone thinks that way or imply that people who don't think that way do.

Gormwood brought up the people who think that way, which was questioned for relevance to the current discussion. This isn't saying 'you can't talk about them', it's asking 'why are they relevant?'

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Scomagia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".

Okay? Who's talking about those cunts, anyway?


Asking who's talking about them. Not saying you can't do so.


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Gormwood wrote:The people making death threats and plots against Representative Omar aren't going "Kill Ilhan Omar Because Of Her Policies".

Yes the death threats are in no way justified and the people doing them are likely not doing them for good reasons. What exactly is your point? Because last I checked most of us who have been criticizing Omar in this thread have not defended those making threats or made threats.


Asking what is the point of bringing them up considering us not defending them. Not saying you can't.


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Andsed wrote:Yes the death threats are in no way justified and the people doing them are likely not doing them for good reasons. What exactly is your point? Because last I checked most of us who have been criticizing Omar in this thread have not defended those making threats or made threats.

It's an attempt to link those who dislike her with those threatening her.


Saying why they think you brought them up, not saying you can't.


None of the relevant posts preceding yours said that.




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I can read just fine, that's an exact quote.


Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.


Vassenor wrote:And what behaviours would those be?

Considering how many times we've established that the whole "downplayed 9/11" thing was a lie.


Neither the quote stating this chain nor Telconi's responses mentioned disrespect. It was about 'downplaying 9/11'. There's a mild irony in here though.
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Postby Druulis » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:40 pm

Gormwood wrote:
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Evidently not because there's nothing disrespectful there.

Gormwood wrote:I think we've established that conservatives are outraged that Rep. Omar as a Muslim did not express sufficient remorse for 9/11 as if she was crashed all 4 planes herself even while addressing CAIR on how it put Muslim Americans in a similar situation as Japanese Americans right after Pearl Harbor.


They don't care. They just want to attack her because she's Muslim.

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Druulis wrote:
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They don't care. They just want to attack her because she's Muslim.

Objectively false.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:30 pm

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They don't care. They just want to attack her because she's Muslim.

Again, no one is Denying that some people do in fact do this, however that does not mean everyone who has criticisms of her automatically do so because of her religion.
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