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Postby Yusseria » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:07 pm

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Yusseria wrote:Why are you lot so damned eager to make me the topic of the thread? Am I really that appealing? I don't think so.

But it's what one does when they're unable to address the points others made. You should get back to defending your cult leader.

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Postby Yusseria » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:08 pm

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Yusseria wrote:Yes, again, this a debate thread. People do that.

Not in the way that you're pretending they are.

I'm pretending that people are defending her from criticism?

Because your sentences aren't very straightforward and you're oftentimes unclear as to what your actual point is.

You're pretending you couldn't follow what was being referenced from one sentence to the next. That's not me being unclear with my point, that's you pretending you can't read.

I'm not pretending anything. You just don't make much sense some of the time. Consider correcting that.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:09 pm

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New haven america wrote:Because she disrespected 9/11, which made Republican party members mad (Despite the fact that the party supports removing benefits and support from 9/11 first responders).


Details, details.

And then we had Trump post a video with her juxtaposed with the Twin Towers falling, despite the fact that he was gloating about how the towers falling made his building the biggest in New York on the exact day the attacks happened.

Really, it's her fault, how dare she be so disrespectful.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Details, details.

And then we had Trump post a video with her juxtaposed with the Twin Towers falling, despite the fact that he was gloating about how the towers falling made his building the biggest in New York on the exact day the attacks happened.

Really, it's her fault, how dare she be so disrespectful.

She's Muslim, she should be repenting for 9/11.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:19 am

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Bombadil wrote:What do we think is more offensive..

1. Her comment
2. Trump juxtaposing the video of her comment with planes crashing into the towers, tweeting it, retweeting it and now pinning it to the top of his tweets

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Reminder that after the towers fell Trump was boasting about how his building was then the tallest in New York.

He said that his building was the tallest, but he wasn't bragging about it, he said it in response to a question of whether he was putting security measures in his building and whether his building had sustained any damage from debris.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... -building/
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:03 am

So let's talk about the far right's dishonest and racist smear campaign against Ilhan Omar because she dared to criticise Israel. The fact is, I have to question the motivation of those who attack Ilhan Omar for playing into islamophobic stereotypes. Blaming her for 9/11, questioning her loyalty and of course, accusing her of antisemitism. To some people nobody should be allowed to criticise Israel but certainly not one of THOSE people. But what say you NSG? Is there an islamophobic vector to all these attacks on Omar? Do those attacking her care about the death threats she's received? If so then why haven't they denounced them?

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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:04 am

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New haven america wrote:Reminder that after the towers fell Trump was boasting about how his building was then the tallest in New York.

He said that his building was the tallest, but he wasn't bragging about it, he said it in response to a question of whether he was putting security measures in his building and whether his building had sustained any damage from debris.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... -building/


Bragging about your building being the tallest on the eve of a major terrorist attack is crass regardless of the context.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:06 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
New haven america wrote:Reminder that after the towers fell Trump was boasting about how his building was then the tallest in New York.

He said that his building was the tallest, but he wasn't bragging about it, he said it in response to a question of whether he was putting security measures in his building and whether his building had sustained any damage from debris.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... -building/


Funny how the actual context only matters when it's to do with Trump statements.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:43 am

Druulis wrote:So let's talk about the far right's dishonest and racist smear campaign against Ilhan Omar because she dared to criticise Israel. The fact is, I have to question the motivation of those who attack Ilhan Omar for playing into islamophobic stereotypes. Blaming her for 9/11, questioning her loyalty and of course, accusing her of antisemitism. To some people nobody should be allowed to criticise Israel but certainly not one of THOSE people. But what say you NSG? Is there an islamophobic vector to all these attacks on Omar? Do those attacking her care about the death threats she's received? If so then why haven't they denounced them?

Pretty much is. If the GOP wasn't following Trump's lead with vague, evasive passive-aggressive attacks it wouldn't be long before someone called Rep. Omar Osama Bin Laden's Last Wife or Abu-Bakr al'Baghdadi's Favorite Girlfriend.

Most are indifferent to the death threats their rhetorics are inspiring. Some probably hope Rep. Omar gets killed or at least injured enough to bow out of politics.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:49 am

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Druulis wrote:So let's talk about the far right's dishonest and racist smear campaign against Ilhan Omar because she dared to criticise Israel. The fact is, I have to question the motivation of those who attack Ilhan Omar for playing into islamophobic stereotypes. Blaming her for 9/11, questioning her loyalty and of course, accusing her of antisemitism. To some people nobody should be allowed to criticise Israel but certainly not one of THOSE people. But what say you NSG? Is there an islamophobic vector to all these attacks on Omar? Do those attacking her care about the death threats she's received? If so then why haven't they denounced them?

Pretty much is. If the GOP wasn't following Trump's lead with vague, evasive passive-aggressive attacks it wouldn't be long before someone called Rep. Omar Osama Bin Laden's Last Wife or Abu-Bakr al'Baghdadi's Favorite Girlfriend.

Most are indifferent to the death threats their rhetorics are inspiring. Some probably hope Rep. Omar gets killed or at least injured enough to bow out of politics.


If anything happens to her she'll be a martyr which I'd have thought would be the LAST thing her critics would want...

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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:52 am

Druulis wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Pretty much is. If the GOP wasn't following Trump's lead with vague, evasive passive-aggressive attacks it wouldn't be long before someone called Rep. Omar Osama Bin Laden's Last Wife or Abu-Bakr al'Baghdadi's Favorite Girlfriend.

Most are indifferent to the death threats their rhetorics are inspiring. Some probably hope Rep. Omar gets killed or at least injured enough to bow out of politics.


If anything happens to her she'll be a martyr which I'd have thought would be the LAST thing her critics would want...

The smart ones are worried. Then there are the Only Good Muslim Is A Dead Muslim types, they probably think Rep. Omar would eventually martyr herself on a large crowd anyways.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:43 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:He said that his building was the tallest, but he wasn't bragging about it, he said it in response to a question of whether he was putting security measures in his building and whether his building had sustained any damage from debris.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... -building/


Bragging about your building being the tallest on the eve of a major terrorist attack is crass regardless of the context.

He wasn't bragging.

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:He said that his building was the tallest, but he wasn't bragging about it, he said it in response to a question of whether he was putting security measures in his building and whether his building had sustained any damage from debris.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... -building/


Funny how the actual context only matters when it's to do with Trump statements.

Not like I defended Omar earlier in the thread or anything.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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Bragging about your building being the tallest on the eve of a major terrorist attack is crass regardless of the context.

He wasn't bragging.


Of course he was.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Details, details.

And then we had Trump post a video with her juxtaposed with the Twin Towers falling, despite the fact that he was gloating about how the towers falling made his building the biggest in New York on the exact day the attacks happened.

Really, it's her fault, how dare she be so disrespectful.

You know, it's possible that what she said was stupid and that Trump is being a twat.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:32 pm

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New haven america wrote:And then we had Trump post a video with her juxtaposed with the Twin Towers falling, despite the fact that he was gloating about how the towers falling made his building the biggest in New York on the exact day the attacks happened.

Really, it's her fault, how dare she be so disrespectful.

You know, it's possible that what she said was stupid and that Trump is being a twat.


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:40 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:He wasn't bragging.


Of course he was.

He was asked about his tower and whether he was taking security measures for things like bombs, as the Snopes article mentioned, his tower being the tallest in downtown Manhatten was tangential, but relevant to the conversation.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:47 pm

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New haven america wrote:And then we had Trump post a video with her juxtaposed with the Twin Towers falling, despite the fact that he was gloating about how the towers falling made his building the biggest in New York on the exact day the attacks happened.

Really, it's her fault, how dare she be so disrespectful.

You know, it's possible that what she said was stupid and that Trump is being a twat.


Do you condone the threats against her?

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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:47 pm

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Druulis wrote:
Of course he was.

He was asked about his tower and whether he was taking security measures for things like bombs, as the Snopes article mentioned, his tower being the tallest in downtown Manhatten was tangential, but relevant to the conversation.


It wasn't. He was bragging.

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:49 pm

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Scomagia wrote:You know, it's possible that what she said was stupid and that Trump is being a twat.


Do you condone the threats against her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_dtBJSuWk

You can call someone's actions stupid without condoning death threats against them.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:51 pm

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Druulis wrote:
Do you condone the threats against her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_dtBJSuWk

You can call someone's actions stupid without condoning death threats against them.


Even if she is 'stupid' she still doesn't deserve death threats.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:52 pm

Druulis wrote:
The South Falls wrote:You can call someone's actions stupid without condoning death threats against them.


Even if she is 'stupid' she still doesn't deserve death threats.


That's what the South Falls said. Didn't you understand what he said?

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:53 pm

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The South Falls wrote:You can call someone's actions stupid without condoning death threats against them.


Even if she is 'stupid' she still doesn't deserve death threats.

yes. unless I don't understand what I just said. That is literally what I just said.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:55 pm

Druulis wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:He was asked about his tower and whether he was taking security measures for things like bombs, as the Snopes article mentioned, his tower being the tallest in downtown Manhatten was tangential, but relevant to the conversation.


It wasn't. He was bragging.

If the attack on September 11th knocked down the two tallest buildings in upper Manhatten, it's pertinent information as to why the interviewer asked the question of him.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:55 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Druulis wrote:
Even if she is 'stupid' she still doesn't deserve death threats.

yes. unless I don't understand what I just said. That is literally what I just said.


Not sure how criticising a right wing apartheid state makes you 'stupid'. I guess the South Falls is OK with Palestinians being treated as second class citizens.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:58 pm

Druulis wrote:
The South Falls wrote:yes. unless I don't understand what I just said. That is literally what I just said.


Not sure how criticising a right wing apartheid state makes you 'stupid'. I guess the South Falls is OK with Palestinians being treated as second class citizens.


Then you don't understand American politics.

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