Rep. Omar faces backlash from Republicans

[Vassenor]

Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., finds herself embroiled in another controversy after a comment she made about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and Muslim civil rights.

Speaking last month at an event hosted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Los Angeles chapter, Omar mistakenly said the organization was founded in response to the terrorist attacks, adding "because they recognized that some people did something" — a phrasing that some in conservative media have interpreted as a too-flippant reference to the attack.

"CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties," Omar said.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... ts-n993326

While taking things out of context always happens in politics I do think the Republicans and media are overrecting and taking things out of context. Do note I am not defending Omar mostly because I found it strange that she put 9/11 into her speech and the way she said it. So I'm neutral on this until I know who's more guilty.

The Republicans and its media need to look into the context of words Omar said. On the other hand Omar should've chosen her words carefully went it came to talking about 9/11.

So NSG what are your thoughts? Is it just a simple misunderstanding from the Republicans or is Omar in the wrong here?

The context is Ilhan Omar is the Representative of a district with a large Muslim demographic, and has often engaged in dog-whistling by saying antisemitic things and making light of terrorist attacks in such a way as to make it just ambiguous enough for people who agree with it to defend her, while associating with overtly antisemitic people and groups that have committed terrorist attacks; and then shouting about Islamophobia and sexism when she gets called out for her bullshit.

So what dogwhistles would those be?

[Aeritai]

Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., finds herself embroiled in another controversy after a comment she made about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and Muslim civil rights.

Speaking last month at an event hosted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Los Angeles chapter, Omar mistakenly said the organization was founded in response to the terrorist attacks, adding "because they recognized that some people did something" — a phrasing that some in conservative media have interpreted as a too-flippant reference to the attack.

"CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties," Omar said.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... ts-n993326

While taking things out of context always happens in politics I do think the Republicans and media are overrecting and taking things out of context. Do note I am not defending Omar mostly because I found it strange that she put 9/11 into her speech and the way she said it. So I'm neutral on this until I know who's more guilty.

The Republicans and its media need to look into the context of words Omar said. On the other hand Omar should've chosen her words carefully went it came to talking about 9/11.

So NSG what are your thoughts? Is it just a simple misunderstanding from the Republicans or is Omar in the wrong here?

The context is Ilhan Omar is the Representative of a district with a large Muslim demographic, and has often engaged in dog-whistling by saying antisemitic things and making light of terrorist attacks in such a way as to make it just ambiguous enough for people who agree with it to defend her, while associating with overtly antisemitic people and groups that have committed terrorist attacks; and then shouting about Islamophobia and sexism when she gets called out for her bullshit.

Do you have any sources on these dog whistling?

[Pope Joan]

People overreacted, but her choice of words was just plain dumb,

i am in favor of fair treatment for Muslims, and I think CAIR has done good work despite the power of the Israel lobby in Washington, but she is going to hurt her own cause, sooner or later,

[Western Word Land]

Her mistake was that she did not refer to it as a terrorist attack committed by immigrants, which it was. She instead referred to it as an innocuous event which she claims non Muslims committed.

The historical fact is that it was terrorism and that it was carried out by Muslim immigrants. It is also a historic fact that not all, and in actuality, most Muslims, did not participate in the attack and many condemned it. But the Islamophobia of today does not excuse attempts to replace factual history of what really happened with myth, lies, and false history that is designed to promote an Anti-American agenda. Just 9/11 really does not excuse that islamophobia.

The historical truth is the historical truth regardless of how far you go to deny it, cover it up, or falsify it. The truth will always see the light of day sooner or later.

[Vassenor]

Her mistake was that she did not refer to it as a terrorist attack committed by immigrants, which it was. She instead referred to it as an innocuous event which she claims non Muslims committed.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said... was wrong.

[Yusseria]

She's an Islamist idiot.

There's not much else to it.

[Vassenor]

She's an Islamist idiot.

There's not much else to it.

[citation needed]

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What's wrong with what she said?

[Vassenor]

What's wrong with what she said?

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What's wrong with what she said?

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

I doubt it was because she's a woman.

Anyways yeah, maybe she worded it wrong but y'all have to look at the full sentence too. She said that "some people did something and then all of us were starting to lose our liberties", which in this context kinda makes sense. Yes, maybe she should've used different words but what she said isn't all around bad.

[Vassenor]

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

I doubt it was because she's a woman.

Anyways yeah, maybe she worded it wrong but y'all have to look at the full sentence too. She said that "some people did something and then all of us were starting to lose our liberties", which in this context kinda makes sense. Yes, maybe she should've used different words but what she said isn't all around bad.

Given the amount of misogyny in the GOP caucus, I'd say her having no Y chromosome has a lot to do with it too.

[Thermodolia]

What's wrong with what she said?

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

Attempt at scoring points maybe by bringing up such a delicate topic? I mean, politicians do this kind of thing.

[Gormwood]

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

Is she wrong saying American Muslims are collectively blamed for 9/11?

[Pope Joan]

The fact she said something while being a Muslim and a woman, apparently.

I doubt it was because she's a woman.

Anyways yeah, maybe she worded it wrong but y'all have to look at the full sentence too. She said that "some people did something and then all of us were starting to lose our liberties", which in this context kinda makes sense. Yes, maybe she should've used different words but what she said isn't all around bad.

Learn from this, then. Do not appear to belittle the suffering of the American soul at that time. When you are walking in a minefield, be careful where you step.

[Thermodolia]

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

Attempt at scoring points maybe by bringing up such a delicate topic? I mean, politicians do this kind of thing.

It’s possible. Either way she and others should be called out for trying to politicize 9/11

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

Is she wrong saying American Muslims are collectively blamed for 9/11?

But are they now? I know there were some very heated and sad moments for Muslims in the US right after 9/11 but the govt seemed to have intervened. I don’t doubt some Americans think this way but collectively? Are you sure of that?

[Luna Amore]

No. It’s the fact that she tried to shoehorn in 9/11. You have several people, a few in this thread, who acknowledge that her word choice was a bit dumb.

Attempt at scoring points maybe by bringing up such a delicate topic? I mean, politicians do this kind of thing.

She did it poorly. For as much as people are yelling "Context" on this one, the context does not help her.

“Far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it,” Omar said at the event. “CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

The context still downplays a national tragedy. It was a dumb thing to say and I can't believe she didn't just clarify instead of doubling down with idiocy like this: https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1116683819476750337

[Thermodolia]

Is she wrong saying American Muslims are collectively blamed for 9/11?

But are they now? I know there were some very heated and sad moments for Muslims in the US right after 9/11 but the govt seemed to have intervened. I don’t doubt some Americans think this way but collectively? Are you sure of that?

Very few people still blame all American Muslims for 9/11. The most I’ve seen are people not wanting non-American Muslims in because they label all non-American Muslims as terrorists

[Thermodolia]

Attempt at scoring points maybe by bringing up such a delicate topic? I mean, politicians do this kind of thing.

She did it poorly. For as much as people are yelling "Context" on this one, the context does not help her.

“Far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it,” Omar said at the event. “CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

The context still downplays a national tragedy. It was a dumb thing to say and I can't believe she didn't just clarify instead of doubling down with idiocy like this: https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1116683819476750337

God she’s an idiot

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Attempt at scoring points maybe by bringing up such a delicate topic? I mean, politicians do this kind of thing.

She did it poorly. For as much as people are yelling "Context" on this one, the context does not help her.

“Far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it,” Omar said at the event. “CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

The context still downplays a national tragedy. It was a dumb thing to say and I can't believe she didn't just clarify instead of doubling down with idiocy like this: https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1116683819476750337

Oh, no doubt. I did a cursory reading and at first I felt like she was saying 9/11 happened because Muslims were losing their civil rights. Mind you, that was just a first reading. I reread it and then saw that no, I was wrong. But it is rather cringey to read.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But are they now? I know there were some very heated and sad moments for Muslims in the US right after 9/11 but the govt seemed to have intervened. I don’t doubt some Americans think this way but collectively? Are you sure of that?

Very few people still blame all American Muslims for 9/11. The most I’ve seen are people not wanting non-American Muslims in because they label all non-American Muslims as terrorists

That’s more or less what I thought. Some do but it doesn’t seem to be collectively.

[Gormwood]

“Far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it,” Omar said at the event. “CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

Strange, reads more like Omar saying American Muslims were placed under collective suspicion in the wake of 9/11. Kind of like how Japanese Americans were collectively suspected in the wake of Pearl Harbor, thankfully without mass internment although you know the hope of such is a wet dream to many in the U.S.

[Aclion]

The context is Ilhan Omar is the Representative of a district with a large Muslim demographic, and has often engaged in dog-whistling by saying antisemitic things and making light of terrorist attacks in such a way as to make it just ambiguous enough for people who agree with it to defend her, while associating with overtly antisemitic people and groups that have committed terrorist attacks; and then shouting about Islamophobia and sexism when she gets called out for her bullshit.

So what dogwhistles would those be?

Like you don't know

[Gormwood]

So what dogwhistles would those be?

Like you don't know

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