Rep. Omar faces backlash from Republicans

[Ifreann]

At some point America has to get over 9/11. Haven't seen either party helping with that though. Omar made a mistake the moment she mentioned 9/11, as one brief sound bite is all you need to hurt your cause in politics.

It's a forever trauma by now.

The real question is why has the Democratic Party resort to people like Omar, do they not have ANY better candidates at all?

You know she was elected, yeah?

And also it wasnt a mistake, it was probably her actual beliefs there.

She might really believe that 9/11 was a thing that some people did? Yeah, she's probably not one of those loons who think it didn't really happen.

[Estanglia]

Are you being purposefully evasive? This topic is specifically about one of her statements and it's not the Benjamins tweets. What extra context explains her "some people did something" quote and her doubling down with follow up tweets like this: https://mobile.twitter.com/ilhanmn/stat ... 9476750337

As for the Benjamins controversy, I think this article gives a nice rundown of why some people felt her initial and follow up tweets were anti-Semitic.

I think 95% of her problem isn't the necessarily the initial statements, it's that she doubles down instead of clarifying. There are legitimate discussions buried in poor wording and confrontational replies.


But she did minimize it. Context does not change the fact that in the sentence "CAIR was founded after 9/11[sic] because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties." puts all the emphasis on the later part of sentence at the expense of "some people did something". The sentence is clear that the last half is the shocking part in her eyes not the beginning. "Some people did something and then our civil liberties were at risk" vs "Radical Muslims killed innocent Americans and law-abiding Muslim Americans suffered because of it."

And once again, clarification would have been a hundred times better in both cases than doubling down and getting in the mud. It distracts from the issues she was trying to talk about and instead refocuses the conversation on her.

Here is the context.

Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have.

I defy anyone to read just this paragraph, not to mention the entire speech, and formulate a valid, logical argument that what Rep. Omar was doing was minimizing a terrorist attack on the US.

Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have.

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

[Seangoli]

Here is the context.



I defy anyone to read just this paragraph, not to mention the entire speech, and formulate a valid, logical argument that what Rep. Omar was doing was minimizing a terrorist attack on the US.

Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have.

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

Man, talk about digging deep to get offended by something.

Everybody knows what happened in 9/11. There is virtually no need to spell abilities go over what she said with a fine-toothed comb and require people to articulate exactly how you feel it needs articulating.

[Gormwood]

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

Man, talk about digging deep to get offended by something.

Everybody knows what happened in 9/11. There is virtually no need to spell abilities go over what she said with a fine-toothed comb and require people to articulate exactly how you feel it needs articulating.

Contrary to screams of straw man, the crime here is Rep. Omar blaspheming the memory of 9/11 by not using a remorseful tone and begging forgiveness for what some people did on behalf of all Muslims.

[Estanglia]

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

Man, talk about digging deep to get offended by something.

Everybody knows what happened in 9/11. There is virtually no need to spell abilities go over what she said with a fine-toothed comb and require people to articulate exactly how you feel it needs articulating.

Firstly, I didn't find the statement that bad. I'm pointing out how some people can see it as minimising.

'Some people did something', even if everyone knows what that something is, can still come off as minimising the attack, especially when we have the name of the attack.
"9/11 occured" expresses pretty much what "some people did something" and taking it as minimising is a bigger stretch than with "some people did something".
"Some people did something" makes the incident sound minor. After all, you probably wouldn't call a murder "someone did something", but your friend goofing off might just be "someone did something".

Man, talk about digging deep to get offended by something.

Everybody knows what happened in 9/11. There is virtually no need to spell abilities go over what she said with a fine-toothed comb and require people to articulate exactly how you feel it needs articulating.

Contrary to screams of straw man, the crime here is Rep. Omar blaspheming the memory of 9/11 by not using a remorseful tone and begging forgiveness for what some people did on behalf of all Muslims.

Still a strawman.

[Druulis]

Here is the context.



I defy anyone to read just this paragraph, not to mention the entire speech, and formulate a valid, logical argument that what Rep. Omar was doing was minimizing a terrorist attack on the US.

Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have.

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

Only to dishonest racists who use 9/11 to attack a Somali Muslim woman who has already revived death threats (which Luna Amore has yet to condemn). However those of us who are acting in good faith are able to see this faux pearl clutching for what it is: islamophobic fearmongering.

[Andsed]

The added context doesn't seem to change much.

She's still referring to a major terrorist attack as "some people did something" which can seem to some as minimizing a terrorist attack.

Only to dishonest racists who use 9/11 to attack a Somali Muslim woman who has already revived death threats (which Luna Amore has yet to condemn). However those of us who are acting in good faith are able to see this faux pearl clutching for what it is: islamophobic fearmongering.

Again please stop trying to dismiss everyone who has criticized Omar on this as a racist. It is getting really old.

[Druulis]

Only to dishonest racists who use 9/11 to attack a Somali Muslim woman who has already revived death threats (which Luna Amore has yet to condemn). However those of us who are acting in good faith are able to see this faux pearl clutching for what it is: islamophobic fearmongering.

Again please stop trying to dismiss everyone who has criticized Omar on this as a racist. It is getting really old.

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

[Loben]

Again please stop trying to dismiss everyone who has criticized Omar on this as a racist. It is getting really old.

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

She could always use that to do something inspired instead of making tone deaf comments on a world changing event.

[Andsed]

Again please stop trying to dismiss everyone who has criticized Omar on this as a racist. It is getting really old.

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

Oh have those here on this thread who have criticized Omar done that? Yes there are those who have attacked Omar for racist reasons but to suggest everyone who attacked Omar are do it for racist reasons is simple bullshit.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Again please stop trying to dismiss everyone who has criticized Omar on this as a racist. It is getting really old.

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

Or they are just people who experienced 9/11 and its horrors, and to hear it be referred as “something somebody did” is considerably insulting to them. It does beg the question also why did Omar use “somebody” as opposed to “Al Quada”. People tell me she used this sentence to avoid linking Muslims to the attack, but I don’t think it does at all.

[Druulis]

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

Or they are just people who experienced 9/11 and its horrors, and to hear it be referred as “something somebody did” is considerably insulting to them.

Maybe they should get over themselves.

[Loben]

Or they are just people who experienced 9/11 and its horrors, and to hear it be referred as “something somebody did” is considerably insulting to them.

Maybe they should get over themselves.

Funny, let’s see you say the same thing to say...a victim of general butt naked or the holocaust.

[Druulis]

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

She could always use that to do something inspired instead of making tone deaf comments on a world changing event.

You people would still find an excuse to attack her.

[Vassenor]

Yeah the guys threatening to kill her and telling her to 'go back to Somalia' just disagree with her policies, I'm sure.

Oh have those here on this thread who have criticized Omar done that? Yes there are those who have attacked Omar for racist reasons but to suggest everyone who attacked Omar are do it for racist reasons is simple bullshit.

That's not what we've been doing. Or is specifically calling out the people attacking and threatening her for racist reasons calling out everyone who's criticised her now?

[Loben]

She could always use that to do something inspired instead of making tone deaf comments on a world changing event.

You people would still find an excuse to attack her.

That we will.

[Druulis]

Maybe they should get over themselves.

Funny, let’s see you say the same thing to say...a victim of general butt naked or the holocaust.

Do holocaust survivors frequently threaten to kill politicians they don't like?

[Telconi]

She could always use that to do something inspired instead of making tone deaf comments on a world changing event.

You people would still find an excuse to attack her.

Well she's awfully good at providing reasons to justify it.

[Loben]

Funny, let’s see you say the same thing to say...a victim of general butt naked or the holocaust.

Do holocaust survivors frequently threaten to kill politicians they don't like?

I bet mossad typically takes care of it.

[Druulis]

You people would still find an excuse to attack her.

That we will.

And the truth comes out at last! This is about attacking Omar personally not because of anything she did or did not say.

[Telconi]

Funny, let’s see you say the same thing to say...a victim of general butt naked or the holocaust.

Do holocaust survivors frequently threaten to kill politicians they don't like?

Do 9/11 survivors frequently do so?

[Loben]

That we will.

And the truth comes out at last! This is about attacking Omar personally not because of anything she did or did not say.

Maybe she should get a better personality?

[Druulis]

You people would still find an excuse to attack her.

We are awfully good at manufacturing reasons to justify it.

Fixed.

[Telconi]

That we will.

And the truth comes out at last! This is about attacking Omar personally not because of anything she did or did not say.

You realize personal attacks are often related to things people did or did not say? ... Right?

[Loben]

We are awfully good at manufacturing reasons to justify it.

Fixed.

What are you, her pr manager?