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I would rather..

..have my brain and the face of a monkey
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..have my face and the brain of a monkey
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..monkey super army.. to arms!
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..this is not a good idea
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..this is fine and no harm will come from it
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4%
..I think the West needs to get onto gene editing pronto and drop ethics
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..Monkey King.. Journey to the West?
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..David Hasselhoff looks like a monkey
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..I click polls like a monkey
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..other
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Total votes : 53

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:02 am

Heloin wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
What's the worst thing that could hap-


I hate every ape I see
From chimpan-a to chimpan-zee
No, you'll never make a monkey out of me

Oh my God, I was wrong
It was Earth all along

You've finally made a monkey
Apes - Yes, we've finally made a monkey
Yes, you've finally made a monkey out of me
Apes - Yes, we've finally made a monkey out of you

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Postby Slotted Floppies » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:24 am

Bombadil wrote:
For the first time, scientists have used gene-editing techniques to make monkey brains more humanlike.

The monkeys, rhesus macaques, got smarter — they had superior memories to unaltered monkeys, according to recently-published research that’s kicked off a fiery debate among ethicists about how far scientists should be able to take genetic experimentation.


Shortly after gene editing babies so they can't contract HIV, Chinese scientists are up to shenanigans again in gene editing, this time inserting a gene called MCPH1 into Macaques.

The new gene made the monkeys’ brains develop along a more human-like timeline. The gene-hacked monkeys had better reaction times and enhanced short-term memories compared to their unaltered peers, according to China Daily.


On the one hand..

“The use of transgenic monkeys to study human genes linked to brain evolution is a very risky road to take,” University of Colorado geneticist James Sikela told the MIT Technology Review. “It is a classic slippery slope issue and one that we can expect to recur as this type of research is pursued.”


..yet on the other..

While altering one gene to enhance memory in some macaques won’t throw Darwinism off-kilter — there’s no risk of a “Planet of the Apes”-style uprising, yet — it could teach us how humanity became so intelligent and gives us hints as to why.


For science!

It begs the classic conundrum, would you rather have your face and the brain of a monkey, or a monkey's face and your brain given the choice?

Tough questions for tough times.

However what does NSG think of gene editing in this way, if we could make them smart enough we could put them in uniform and send them into battle as an army of super monkeys?

Is any of this a good idea?


So when can we make adding a monkey tail to every fertilised foetus mandatory?
And when can we add a tail grip to standard toilet design.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:30 am

Monkey King Immortality much?

Get banished to the underworld, disgraced servant of the Jade Emperor!
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Postby Alvecia » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:39 am

Cool. More of this please.

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Postby Democratic Republic Of Unified States » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:45 am

Create temple to Hanuman

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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:10 am

Galloism wrote:I think this is how Planet of the Apes started.

Depends on the continuity. In Conquest apes became pets to humans because all the cats and dogs in the world died, but then learned that they make really good slave labor, which caused the apes to overthrow mankind because the didn't like being slaves. Rise on the other hand, has apes becoming smarter by being animal test subjects for a drug that was supposed to cure Alzheimer's.
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Postby The Brytish Isles » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:16 am

I’ve got no issues with this. In my opinion, we should go full steam ahead with this kind of research. I’m all for uplifting our cousins and bringing them into humanity. Perhaps then people would treat them the respect they deserve.

Tl;dr let’s go with this and give primates human-level sentience.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:31 am

The Hoff does not look like a monkey.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:48 am

Buh buh buh intelligence is a boshal monstruct!!!
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:50 am

Hopefully, if monkeys become as intelligent as humans, we are able to co-exist peacefully.

Because I can't wait to have an orangutan as a manager
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:22 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Hopefully, if monkeys become as intelligent as humans, we are able to co-exist peacefully.

It's one of those things that I doubt will happen naturally in our lifetime (but via evolution over a longer period, who knows?). There would need to be some major genetic intervention to make it a possibility during our lifetime. But if the genetic intervention is that extensive, then it could be argued that they are not really monkeys anymore.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Because I can't wait to have an orangutan as a manager

I'd rather not risk having feces thrown at me if I make a mistake at work.

Wait, it's chimpanzees that throw feces. Well, as long as the manager isn't a chimpanzee then I don't see a problem with it.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:27 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Because I can't wait to have an orangutan as a manager


Not unknown in the present day, nor a particularly enjoyable condition.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:29 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Hopefully, if monkeys become as intelligent as humans, we are able to co-exist peacefully.

It's one of those things that I doubt will happen naturally in our lifetime (but via evolution over a longer period, who knows?). There would need to be some major genetic intervention to make it a possibility during our lifetime. But if the genetic intervention is that extensive, then it could be argued that they are not really monkeys anymore.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Because I can't wait to have an orangutan as a manager

I'd rather not risk having feces thrown at me if I make a mistake at work.

Wait, it's chimpanzees that throw feces. Well, as long as the manager isn't a chimpanzee then I don't see a problem with it.

This is ape racism.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:30 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Hopefully, if monkeys become as intelligent as humans, we are able to co-exist peacefully.

It's one of those things that I doubt will happen naturally in our lifetime (but via evolution over a longer period, who knows?). There would need to be some major genetic intervention to make it a possibility during our lifetime. But if the genetic intervention is that extensive, then it could be argued that they are not really monkeys anymore.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Because I can't wait to have an orangutan as a manager

I'd rather not risk having feces thrown at me if I make a mistake at work.

Wait, it's chimpanzees that throw feces. Well, as long as the manager isn't a chimpanzee then I don't see a problem with it.

And crazy Australians cooped up in Ecuadorian embassies.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:30 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'd rather not risk having feces thrown at me if I make a mistake at work.

Wait, it's chimpanzees that throw feces. Well, as long as the manager isn't a chimpanzee then I don't see a problem with it.

This is ape racism.

:p
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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:31 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's one of those things that I doubt will happen naturally in our lifetime (but via evolution over a longer period, who knows?). There would need to be some major genetic intervention to make it a possibility during our lifetime. But if the genetic intervention is that extensive, then it could be argued that they are not really monkeys anymore.


I'd rather not risk having feces thrown at me if I make a mistake at work.

Wait, it's chimpanzees that throw feces. Well, as long as the manager isn't a chimpanzee then I don't see a problem with it.

This is ape racism.

Technically it's speciesism.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:50 am

I've performed gene editing experiments myself - though nothing this extreme - and it's a really powerful technology.

Great care should be taken when using it, and as always I assume governments will drop the ball and repress scientific innovation with disproportionate measures.

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Postby Shanhwa » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:53 am

Replace the Coast Guard with Aquatic Chimps trained in search and rescue.

Gene editing will allow this to happen eventually.

e.g. gene editing = good
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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:04 am

Shanhwa wrote:Replace the Coast Guard with Aquatic Chimps trained in search and rescue.

Gene editing will allow this to happen eventually.

e.g. gene editing = good

Why not dolphins?

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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:07 am

Esternial wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:Replace the Coast Guard with Aquatic Chimps trained in search and rescue.

Gene editing will allow this to happen eventually.

e.g. gene editing = good

Why not dolphins?

Dolphins are violent rapists of the sea, we can't let those kinds of people into the armed forces.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:07 am

Esternial wrote:I've performed gene editing experiments myself

Unless you gave mice horns, I am not impressed :P
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:10 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Esternial wrote:I've performed gene editing experiments myself

Unless you gave mice horns, I am not impressed :P

He made a typing Alpaca, what the hell else do you want?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:11 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Unless you gave mice horns, I am not impressed :P

He made a typing Alpaca, what the hell else do you want?

Horned Mice
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:30 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:He made a typing Alpaca, what the hell else do you want?

Horned Mice

Tough crowd.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:23 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:The Hoff does not look like a monkey.


Then he has the brain of a monkey.
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