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Monkeying around with genes..

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I would rather..

..have my brain and the face of a monkey
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..have my face and the brain of a monkey
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..monkey super army.. to arms!
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..this is not a good idea
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..this is fine and no harm will come from it
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..I think the West needs to get onto gene editing pronto and drop ethics
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..Monkey King.. Journey to the West?
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..David Hasselhoff looks like a monkey
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..I click polls like a monkey
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..other
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Monkeying around with genes..

Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:02 pm

For the first time, scientists have used gene-editing techniques to make monkey brains more humanlike.

The monkeys, rhesus macaques, got smarter — they had superior memories to unaltered monkeys, according to recently-published research that’s kicked off a fiery debate among ethicists about how far scientists should be able to take genetic experimentation.


Shortly after gene editing babies so they can't contract HIV, Chinese scientists are up to shenanigans again in gene editing, this time inserting a gene called MCPH1 into Macaques.

The new gene made the monkeys’ brains develop along a more human-like timeline. The gene-hacked monkeys had better reaction times and enhanced short-term memories compared to their unaltered peers, according to China Daily.


On the one hand..

“The use of transgenic monkeys to study human genes linked to brain evolution is a very risky road to take,” University of Colorado geneticist James Sikela told the MIT Technology Review. “It is a classic slippery slope issue and one that we can expect to recur as this type of research is pursued.”


..yet on the other..

While altering one gene to enhance memory in some macaques won’t throw Darwinism off-kilter — there’s no risk of a “Planet of the Apes”-style uprising, yet — it could teach us how humanity became so intelligent and gives us hints as to why.


For science!

It begs the classic conundrum, would you rather have your face and the brain of a monkey, or a monkey's face and your brain given the choice?

Tough questions for tough times.

However what does NSG think of gene editing in this way, if we could make them smart enough we could put them in uniform and send them into battle as an army of super monkeys?

Is any of this a good idea?
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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:04 pm

I think this is how Planet of the Apes started.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:07 pm

Galloism wrote:I think this is how Planet of the Apes started.


No, no, they actually used their ethically questionable research for a good cause - to cure Alzheimer's.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:08 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Galloism wrote:I think this is how Planet of the Apes started.


No, no, they actually used their ethically questionable research for a good cause - to cure Alzheimer's.


Oh good, totally different then.

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Postby Vectrova » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:09 pm

gonna need a source for this one, chief
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:14 pm

Long live the Monkey King.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:16 pm

https://legacy.quran.com/30/30 wrote:No change should there be in the creation of Allah.

https://legacy.quran.com/4/119 wrote:"...I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

This shouldn't be happening unless it's for medical needs.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:17 pm

Sounds like this couldn't possibly go wrong, nope not a chance.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:17 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
https://legacy.quran.com/30/30 wrote:No change should there be in the creation of Allah.

https://legacy.quran.com/4/119 wrote:"...I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

This shouldn't be happening unless it's for medical needs.

I hope you don't like eating fruits or vegetables.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:18 pm

Vectrova wrote:gonna need a source for this one, chief


Here you go.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:19 pm

Heloin wrote:Sounds like this couldn't possibly go wrong, nope not a chance.


What's the worst thing that could hap-

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
This shouldn't be happening unless it's for medical needs.

I hope you don't like eating fruits or vegetables.

I do, actually. Hence why they'd fall under the Halaal editing: "if it's for medical need".
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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Galloism wrote:I hope you don't like eating fruits or vegetables.

I do, actually. Hence why they'd fall under the Halaal editing: "if it's for medical need".

Almost all fruits and vegetables are genetically engineered now. You could get some that aren't, but you'll have to pay for it, and there's no medical need for cheap food.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Heloin wrote:Sounds like this couldn't possibly go wrong, nope not a chance.


What's the worst thing that could hap-

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I hate every ape I see
From chimpan-a to chimpan-zee
No, you'll never make a monkey out of me

Oh my God, I was wrong
It was Earth all along

You've finally made a monkey
Apes - Yes, we've finally made a monkey
Yes, you've finally made a monkey out of me
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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Neanderthals tried something like this once...
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I do, actually. Hence why they'd fall under the Halaal editing: "if it's for medical need".

Almost all fruits and vegetables are genetically engineered now. You could get some that aren't, but you'll have to pay for it, and there's no medical need for cheap food.

I mean generally speaking, because high human population and shrinking supply distribution. But you do have a point, maybe we could just distribute the gmo food go high-density poorer places and the natural food to low-density richer places?
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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:23 pm

Let’s bring them Socialism!

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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:24 pm

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
https://legacy.quran.com/30/30 wrote:No change should there be in the creation of Allah.

https://legacy.quran.com/4/119 wrote:"...I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

This shouldn't be happening unless it's for medical needs.


Why is medical needs the exception.. is that expressed in the Quran?

Otherwise you've simply made an exception and opened the door for all other exceptions to be allowable given it's just your subjective opinion.
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Postby Vectrova » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:24 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Vectrova wrote:gonna need a source for this one, chief


Here you go.


ah yes, the very trusted 'go google it yourself'. you posted about it, you should present the thing we're to be discussing in its entirety like how every other thread is done about news articles instead of snarking like you're too good for it.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Galloism wrote:Almost all fruits and vegetables are genetically engineered now. You could get some that aren't, but you'll have to pay for it, and there's no medical need for cheap food.

I mean generally speaking, because high human population and shrinking supply distribution. But you do have a point, maybe we could just distribute the gmo food go high-density poorer places and the natural food to low-density richer places?

Allah disapproves of you cursing people to alignment with Satan based on class.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:25 pm

Bombadil wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
This shouldn't be happening unless it's for medical needs.


Why is medical needs the exception.. is that expressed in the Quran?

Otherwise you've simply made an exception and opened the door for all other exceptions to be allowable given it's just your subjective opinion.

Point made, I'll bring some more daleel insha-Allah.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:25 pm

Soviet-American Combine wrote:Let’s bring them Socialism!


Do we think monkeys are socialist, I don't think they are very much.. maybe bonobos..
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:25 pm

Soviet-American Combine wrote:Let’s bring them Socialism!


The ultimate social experiment!
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:26 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Soviet-American Combine wrote:Let’s bring them Socialism!


Do we think monkeys are socialist, I don't think they are very much.. maybe bonobos..

On the contrary. Most animal species, if they acquired sentience, would be fascist societies
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