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Immigration and the inevitability of Communism

Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:06 am

So I was pondering over the vicious nature of anti-immigration politics when I realized: What is the point of closing the borders. Corporations don’t need workers to come here to get cheap labour. They already outsource.

Though arguably getting off on the wrong foot, from backward conditions, under pressure, devastated and in need of reform, only one country (and maybe it’s allies; I’d have to check) provided full, in-house employment with superior economic growth and social services, including total access education: the Soviet Union.

Healthcare wasn’t as great, given military expenditure and population growth, though apparently they manage it well enough in Cuba at this point, under embargo.

My question is this: y u no communist bro. We don’t gotta do it so totalitarian. We can be all about dem constitushuns. And we can utilize dat market n workers council democrazy.

Ernest Mandel said stuff (actually I’m told he’s not great but this is his high point). U shuld be communism becuz u pick ur hours. Say you don’t want economy develop at breakneck speed u work less. Worker decide. You can read it here.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel ... nning.html

Also, people need dem insulins. Need to make that shit cheap and pronto n distribute it, ration style. But without long lines or shortages. But we can do that! By resolving the information problem through incorporation of the market and workers democracy.

And maybe U decide we don’t need weed killer because you have no backyard. maybe you don’t do stupid ass job making weed killer. All kinds of utopian possibility. People really want that shit, let them make it one day out of the year. Unless robots make it I guess. I don’t really know, I’m making this up. I certainly think people should have to make weed killer if they really want it, instead of making black people box it up.

Also: is Communism inevitable. I do not think it is inevitable. We could degenerate into barbarism instead. I consider this an inferior option to consciously directing our economy.
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Postby Umpus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:10 am

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Postby South Acren » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:19 am

Communism isn't inevitable. America and its people don't accept anything other then the regular government we have now. Same with fascism, The people would be very anti-fascism or anti-communism.
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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:50 am

South Acren wrote:Communism isn't inevitable. America and its people don't accept anything other then the regular government we have now. Same with fascism, The people would be very anti-fascism or anti-communism.

Communism IS the people.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:59 am

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Postby Cerinda » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:59 am

I don't think Karl Marx wrote anything on immigration.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:01 am

Soviet-American Combine wrote:
South Acren wrote:Communism isn't inevitable. America and its people don't accept anything other then the regular government we have now. Same with fascism, The people would be very anti-fascism or anti-communism.

Communism IS the people.


Communism is foreigners.
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Postby Rezmaeristan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:04 am

You can stop outsourcing with tariffs. Of course, this is like surgery; one slip and you've cut the aorta. Example: Trump's steel tariffs.
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Postby The Draemon Provinces » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:09 am

Rezmaeristan wrote:You can stop outsourcing with tariffs. Of course, this is like surgery; one slip and you've cut the aorta. Example: Trump's steel tariffs.


Just one problem, if we try to reduce outsourcing, then other countries like South Korea and Germany would still outsource and keep their cost of production low with cheap labor. That means they're able to keep their prices low while we will have to bring them back up because we now have to pay more to outsource. We would go out of business.

Thus, outsourcing in today's globalized world is a necessary thing... unless you want to keep your domestic labor forces competitive (tax reduction, keeping minimum wage low or none), etc.
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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:29 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Communism is foreigners.

Don’t worry we can educate them if we get them

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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:31 am

Rezmaeristan wrote:You can stop outsourcing with tariffs. Of course, this is like surgery; one slip and you've cut the aorta. Example: Trump's steel tariffs.

Yeah that’s not working very well. I suggest an international order instead. You know... as tends to exist under the free market anyway before you bungle it up with tariffs that then cause your economy to lose money from reverse tariffs until you descend into unnecessary autarky...

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better dead than red.

Agreed. Communism just doesn't work.
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Postby The Black Party » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better dead than red.

Better dead than red.

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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:13 pm

The Soviet Union, developing from a third world country and recovering from ww2, grew faster than the west. I did of course suggest modifying the formula. China for instance is developing faster than the west.
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Postby The Black Party » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:15 pm

Soviet-American Combine wrote:The Soviet Union, developing from a third world country and recovering from ww2, grew faster than the west. I did of course suggest modifying the formula.

... So?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:17 pm

Soviet-American Combine wrote:The Soviet Union, developing from a third world country and recovering from ww2, grew faster than the west. I did of course suggest modifying the formula.

And it collapsed due partially to economic problems. That economic growth certainly wasn't to last.

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Postby Baranil » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:19 pm

Inevitability? Are you having a laugh?
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Postby Cataluna » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:20 pm

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Postby Kubra » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:31 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Soviet-American Combine wrote:The Soviet Union, developing from a third world country and recovering from ww2, grew faster than the west. I did of course suggest modifying the formula.

And it collapsed due partially to economic problems. That economic growth certainly wasn't to last.
not partially, mostly.
Capitalist or communist, a society needs to have some feedback mechanisms for judging policy, which the eastern bloc never really developed. Bad political organisation becomes bad economic organisation.
I mean hell Mao pretty actively suppressed news that his policies were not working. He just wouldn't hear it, and a lot of honest communists got offed as a result.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:42 pm

I'm not a gommunist because I don't think industrial society is viable, and I also think that many of the communist solutions to the problems of industrial society are basically just doubling down on those problems.
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Postby Soviet-American Combine » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:48 pm

Kubra wrote:Capitalist or communist, a society needs to have some feedback mechanisms for judging policy, which the eastern bloc never really developed. Bad political organisation becomes bad economic organisation.

Yes, we need muh workers democracy
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Postby Rehs » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:51 pm

I would love a Communist America, but sadly no one will change our government.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:51 pm

Yeah, like, why not just do communism?
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