Military Coup in Sudan topples President Omar Al-Bashir

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

[San Lumen]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

Yeah I hope it doesn't wind up the way Egypt did.

[Kowani]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

I’d say it means the military got sick of his shit.

[New Sukberia]

The keys?

Probably referencing CGP Grey's Rules for Rulers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

I thought about That too

[Khataiy]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

I’d say it means the military got sick of his shit.

No it actually means they are going to impose their own "shit" and they've already begun

[United Muscovite Nations]

I’d say it means the military got sick of his shit.

No it actually means they are going to impose their own "shit" and they've already begun

^

[Nerovia]

Wow, I didn’t expect this to happen out of the blue. It reminded me of communist Romania’s Nicolae Ceausescu of how he was in power for years and just like that it’s all over.

We're drifting away from the Coup in Sudan everyone, let's get back to that.

Speaking of Sudan, how are world leaders reacting to this coup and will it have any affect to the conflict in Darfur?

[Cerinda]

Wow, I didn’t expect this to happen out of the blue. It reminded me of communist Romania’s Nicolae Ceausescu of how he was in power for years and just like that it’s all over.

We're drifting away from the Coup in Sudan everyone, let's get back to that.

Speaking of Sudan, how are world leaders reacting to this coup and will it have any affect to the conflict in Darfur?

I don't think anyone cares, the enitre world is fixated on Assange being arrested.

[Sneudal]

It was about time, though i highly doubt much will change over there.

What i wonder more about is whether or not the military will extradite Al-Bashir to the International Criminal Court.

[Cerinda]

Turns out I was wrong:

https://edition.cnn.com/africa/live-new ... index.html

State Department spokesperson Robert Palladino said on Thursday that “the Sudanese people should determine who leads them and their future,” and that they “should be allowed to do so sooner than two years from now.”

Palladino said the US is “monitoring” the situation and that the “big focus for the United States right now is the safety and welfare of our embassy team on the ground as well as private citizens, American citizens in Sudan.”

After three decades of rule, Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir has been arrested and forced from power in a military coup.

Bashir's government has been dissolved, and a military council has assumed control for two years to oversee a transition of power, Sudanese Defense Minister Awad Mohamed Ahmed Ibn Auf said in a televised statement Thursday.

[Yusseria]

I kind of feel like Bashir is dead.

[Shofercia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47891470

Longtime President of Sudan Omar al Bashir who has ruled since 1989 has been removed via a military coup according to the military. There have been protests for several months calling for his removal. Over the years Bashir has been become increasingly dictatorial and has been accused of outright fraud in national elections and suppressed opposition. His current location is unknown

Defense Minister Awad Ibn Ouf said a state of emergency has been put in place and says the military will oversee two year transition period followed by elections. He apologized for the dictatorial nature of the regime and released all political prisoners.

While it is good news he's been removed after what happened in Egypt I'm skeptical of Sudan becoming a free republic. Its rare for the military to fully relinquish power after a coup but we will have to wait and see.

Your thoughts on this NSG?

When it rains, it really pours. I'm going to study the issue before commenting on it.

[US-SSR]

According to the Guardian the Sudanese demonstrators aren't buying it. There's a distinct possibility this is a "self-coup" designed to keep the regime, with or without Bashir, in power.

[Thermodolia]

"Trust me guys, we'll have elections eventually, just not right now" tends to be synonymous with "I'm never going to hold elections, but I'll tell you that I am so that you won't rebel". Military officers aren't elected, so it's not surprising that they aren't often comfortable with the idea of being voted out of office.

It does take time after a dictatorship to prepare for free and fair elections. Lets not be so cynical it only happened today. Sudan and Egypt are very different from each other.

Technically Egypt has its upcoming elections soon. We’ll see if Egypt is a dictatorship or not as Sisi isn’t standing in this election

[Badb Catha]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47891470

Longtime President of Sudan Omar al Bashir who has ruled since 1989 has been removed via a military coup according to the military. There have been protests for several months calling for his removal. Over the years Bashir has been become increasingly dictatorial and has been accused of outright fraud in national elections and suppressed opposition. His current location is unknown

Defense Minister Awad Ibn Ouf said a state of emergency has been put in place and says the military will oversee two year transition period followed by elections. He apologized for the dictatorial nature of the regime and released all political prisoners.

While it is good news he's been removed after what happened in Egypt I'm skeptical of Sudan becoming a free republic. Its rare for the military to fully relinquish power after a coup but we will have to wait and see.

Your thoughts on this NSG?

Having seen first hand the folly of the democratic system I hope they will not make the mistake of re-implementing it and instead create a nationally-focused state with the people's best interests in mind.

[Thermodolia]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

Yeah I hope it doesn't wind up the way Egypt did.

So you where fine with the Muslim Brotherhood in power?

[Novus America]

I’d say it means the military got sick of his shit.

No it actually means they are going to impose their own "shit" and they've already begun

The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Yanitza]

I don't like Al-Bashir, but it's very jarring to see someone in power for so long be forced out so quickly, and I worry about what this means.

I’d say it means the military got sick of his shit.

It's the military covering their own ass. Bashar was from the Military and thats what allowed him to control Sudan for so long and allow him to eject other possible rivals such as al Turabi. He built a highly personalised political apparatus around himself which is why I'm surprised the military removed. Either the pressure of the protests were to great or perhaps he has cut some backroom deal to step down in return for amnesty or something. Perhaps the military already has a solution worked out.

According to the Guardian the Sudanese demonstrators aren't buying it. There's a distinct possibility this is a "self-coup" designed to keep the regime, with or without Bashir, in power.

Yeah they are probably right, whether or not this succeeds remains to be seen.

Yeah I hope it doesn't wind up the way Egypt did.

So you where fine with the Muslim Brotherhood in power?

It would have been far better for the Brotherhood to go down in electoral defeat than the Egyptian military coup.

[San Lumen]

Yeah I hope it doesn't wind up the way Egypt did.

So you where fine with the Muslim Brotherhood in power?

He was chosen in a free and fair election and the people of Egypt could have voted Morsi out in the next election. The second coup has made the country even worse than it was under Mubarak

[Heloin]

So you where fine with the Muslim Brotherhood in power?

He was chosen in a free and fair election and the people of Egypt could have voted Morsi out in the next election. The second coup has made the country even worse than it was under Mubarak

To be fair to the Egyptian military in 2013, Morsi had effectively just given himself unlimited presidential powers just before they through him out.

[San Lumen]

He was chosen in a free and fair election and the people of Egypt could have voted Morsi out in the next election. The second coup has made the country even worse than it was under Mubarak

To be fair to the Egyptian military in 2013, Morsi had effectively just given himself unlimited presidential powers just before they through him out.

and they could have voted him out in the next election. The new regime is even worse than Mubarak's. Hopefully Sudan doesnt go down the same dark path. They might not as they are different countries with different histories and demographics

[Liriena]

Nice to see a dictator gone, but military coups rarely lead directly to democracy, so I'm cautious on this.

[San Lumen]

Nice to see a dictator gone, but military coups rarely lead directly to democracy, so I'm cautious on this.

All we can do is wait and see.

[Heloin]

To be fair to the Egyptian military in 2013, Morsi had effectively just given himself unlimited presidential powers just before they through him out.

and they could have voted him out in the next election. The new regime is even worse than Mubarak's. Hopefully Sudan doesnt go down the same dark path. They might not as they are different countries with different histories and demographics

They couldn't have, he was effectively making himself president for life. I'm not saying the coup against him was the best action for Egypt, but in that one case letting Morsi remain in power probably would have just ended in a Muslim Brotherhood lead dictatorship.

[San Lumen]

and they could have voted him out in the next election. The new regime is even worse than Mubarak's. Hopefully Sudan doesnt go down the same dark path. They might not as they are different countries with different histories and demographics

They couldn't have, he was effectively making himself president for life. I'm not saying the coup against him was the best action for Egypt, but in that one case letting Morsi remain in power probably would have just ended in a Muslim Brotherhood lead dictatorship.

We don't know that.