Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:07 pmThat was sarcasm.
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Assange wanted on new charges; Espionage (US) and rape (Swe)
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:07 pmPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:29 pmPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:18 amTrue, but that is not why the US wants to punish him. I would even go as far as to say that they could not care less about some gays; heck- there are politicians who agree with the idea that they should die.
They do care about their tapping of foreign leaders conversations for both economical and political reasons being exposed and their military being humiliated by revelations as the heli-vid.
But not about him being a narcissistic shitbag.
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:00 amI do not know if Julian Assange really believed or promoted the Pizzagate conspiracy theory,* but if he did then (to me) he lost all credibility.
In short, he entered the embassy as a reasonable hero, but left the embassy as … I have no idea, but definitely not a reasonable hero.
Nevertheless, I would oppose the extradition of Julian Assange to the US, since it would just play into the hands of the conspiracy theorists and peddlers of misinformation.
* I have not followed the news much due to poor mental health. Sorry.
In short, he entered the embassy as a reasonable hero, but left the embassy as … I have no idea, but definitely not a reasonable hero.
Nevertheless, I would oppose the extradition of Julian Assange to the US, since it would just play into the hands of the conspiracy theorists and peddlers of misinformation.
* I have not followed the news much due to poor mental health. Sorry.
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:21 amPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:07 pmPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:59 pmPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:02 amFirst, he was not charged with personally hacking the information but with assisting Manning in doing so. Second, that is the purpose of a trial, to determine if there is sufficient evidence to convict a person of the crime involved.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:25 amSwedish authorities reopen the rape case against Assange
An extradition request has not yet been filed, but the preliminary investigation is now active again.
Swedish prosecutors have reopened an investigation into a rape allegation made against Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange.
The inquiry has been revived at the request of the alleged victim's lawyer.
An extradition request has not yet been filed, but the preliminary investigation is now active again.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 pmJulian Assange, the WikiLeaks leader, has been indicted on 17 new counts of violating the Espionage Act for his role in publishing classified military and diplomatic documents in 2010, the Justice Department announced on Thursday — a novel case that raises profound First Amendment issues.
The new charges were part of a superseding indictment obtained by the Trump administration that significantly expanded the legal case against Mr. Assange, who is already fighting extradition proceedings in London based on an earlier hacking-related count brought by federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/assange-indictment.html
The US has pulled out the big guns, and has charged Assange with violating the Espionage Act in an 18-count indictment that said he “risked serious harm” to the US. According to the AP, the new indictment says Assange conspired with Chelsea Manning to obtain and disclose classified national defense documents, including State Department cables and reports on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This sets up a proper fight concerning his first amendment protections.
Meanwhile, Sweden has started the process of requesting a court order for his arrest, which is the first step to making an extradition request. A Swedish court is set to hear the prosecutor's request on on June 3rd.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:29 pmGravlen wrote:Swedish authorities reopen the rape case against AssangeSwedish prosecutors have reopened an investigation into a rape allegation made against Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange.
The inquiry has been revived at the request of the alleged victim's lawyer.
An extradition request has not yet been filed, but the preliminary investigation is now active again.
I hope to god they file and the Brits send the fucker there
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:39 pmEthel mermania wrote:Gormwood wrote:A cheap shot that fails considering it's not Chicago trying Assange.
I thought the cheap shot worked pretty well. That it's not analogous works is fine as it wasn't directed at iffy or a point he 2as making. So it really wasn't an arguement in a debate.
And it sorta fits, as the US doesnt like assage and is itching to get after him. I am mildly approving of wikileaks. The Panama papers was a big positive. I am not crazy about the guy personally, but the message of this is to chill the press. And the Chicago DA is in smollet's favor.
Full disclosure: I do believe manning belongs in jail. She signed up to non disclose, assage never did.
I feel like I should point out, the panama papers weren't actually released by Wikileaks, they were provided to a group of journalists.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:40 pmGravlen wrote:Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks leader, has been indicted on 17 new counts of violating the Espionage Act for his role in publishing classified military and diplomatic documents in 2010, the Justice Department announced on Thursday — a novel case that raises profound First Amendment issues.
The new charges were part of a superseding indictment obtained by the Trump administration that significantly expanded the legal case against Mr. Assange, who is already fighting extradition proceedings in London based on an earlier hacking-related count brought by federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/assange-indictment.html
The US has pulled out the big guns, and has charged Assange with violating the Espionage Act in an 18-count indictment that said he “risked serious harm” to the US. According to the AP, the new indictment says Assange conspired with Chelsea Manning to obtain and disclose classified national defense documents, including State Department cables and reports on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This sets up a proper fight concerning his first amendment protections.
Meanwhile, Sweden has started the process of requesting a court order for his arrest, which is the first step to making an extradition request. A Swedish court is set to hear the prosecutor's request on on June 3rd.
What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:43 pmIfreann wrote:Gravlen wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/assange-indictment.html
The US has pulled out the big guns, and has charged Assange with violating the Espionage Act in an 18-count indictment that said he “risked serious harm” to the US. According to the AP, the new indictment says Assange conspired with Chelsea Manning to obtain and disclose classified national defense documents, including State Department cables and reports on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This sets up a proper fight concerning his first amendment protections.
Meanwhile, Sweden has started the process of requesting a court order for his arrest, which is the first step to making an extradition request. A Swedish court is set to hear the prosecutor's request on on June 3rd.
What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
Ideally he would be sent to both and tried by both for the respective crimes he is accused of, unfortunately if he is sent to one it will mean he will not be sent to the other because of the unwillingness of either country to cooperate. Either way total justice will not be served.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:47 pmIfreann wrote:Gravlen wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/assange-indictment.html
The US has pulled out the big guns, and has charged Assange with violating the Espionage Act in an 18-count indictment that said he “risked serious harm” to the US. According to the AP, the new indictment says Assange conspired with Chelsea Manning to obtain and disclose classified national defense documents, including State Department cables and reports on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This sets up a proper fight concerning his first amendment protections.
Meanwhile, Sweden has started the process of requesting a court order for his arrest, which is the first step to making an extradition request. A Swedish court is set to hear the prosecutor's request on on June 3rd.
What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
European countries are generally hesitant to extradite folks over here, mostly because of the whole torture and death penalty thing, so I don't know how likely it actually is.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:49 pmValrifell wrote:Ifreann wrote:What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
European countries are generally hesitant to extradite folks over here, mostly because of the whole torture and death penalty thing, so I don't know how likely it actually is.
On the other hand, the UK is probably the most likely European country to extradite him to the US, going by past precedent.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:52 pmValrifell wrote:Ifreann wrote:What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
European countries are generally hesitant to extradite folks over here, mostly because of the whole torture and death penalty thing, so I don't know how likely it actually is.
The United States does not permit the torture of civilian prisoners.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:52 pmValrifell wrote:Ifreann wrote:What with this being the worst timeline, I assume Assange will end up sent to the US rather than Sweden.
European countries are generally hesitant to extradite folks over here, mostly because of the whole torture and death penalty thing, so I don't know how likely it actually is.
The UK tends to extradite anyone the US asks for.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:54 pmJust extended use of solitary confinement, the barbaric conditions in the prisons, and a culture of violence across their peace officers. Totally no torture allowed though.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:10 pmThey can charge him with aggravated mopery with intent to lurk and I won't defend him for a second. Any charge to get him within subpoena range of a Congressional committee where he can be put under oath and made to disclose his contact in the GRU works for me.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:30 pm“As long as the guards aren’t the ones pulling out his fingers, it’s not torture!”
/s
Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:45 amUS-SSR wrote:They can charge him with aggravated mopery with intent to lurk and I won't defend him for a second. Any charge to get him within subpoena range of a Congressional committee where he can be put under oath and made to disclose his contact in the GRU works for me.
Obviously he reports directly to Putin himself.
Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:32 pmIfreann wrote:US-SSR wrote:They can charge him with aggravated mopery with intent to lurk and I won't defend him for a second. Any charge to get him within subpoena range of a Congressional committee where he can be put under oath and made to disclose his contact in the GRU works for me.
Obviously he reports directly to Putin himself.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:42 pmThat is not how the Putin regime works at all. Most certainly Assange gets information and instructions emailed from anonymous people he never said sees nor knows. He might in his delusions not even realize these are Russian agents.
These Russian agents then report through the absurdly complex, often redundant, infighting, unclear and extra legal structure of the regime, to the Siloviki and oligarchs all struggling for attention and favor of Putin.
While admittedly Putin does often resemble a cartoon villain, how such regimes work is not how cartoons show them.
Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:46 pmI don't know what a peace officer is. I have never heard that name before. Is that a term for a police officer?